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[quote name='risingson' timestamp='1357003767' post='1916354']


I've toured Sweden from east to west, Gothenburg to Stockholm, from 2007 till next week when I'm back over for a week or so. Funnily enough I borrowed a 5'er from a friend of mine to play Scandinavium Arena to, I should imagine you've come across this venue in your travels

In short, you're talking absolute nonsense! I suspect you know it as well.
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I dont really know what you are talking about anymore? My point is that there's a disgusting fender and vintage fetish going on here and that showing up to an audition with a sixer would be a suicide unless its your own band.
I never said fivers didn't exist. Or that people already in the business never used them.

[quote name='risingson' timestamp='1356979386' post='1916067']
I'll add here that I've played around Sweden extensively and know of some of the best working bass players I've come across using 5 stringers, almost exclusively. There's just no truth in that they don't. Silly...
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You obviously played here during the 90's. That's not the way it looks here now. It doesn't sound as you've lived in Stockholm either. Who cares anyway, music is lost to the "entertainers" a long time ago.

[quote name='TRBboy' timestamp='1356956247' post='1915503']


Sorry, but I think your attitude is pathetic! You clearly have some issues......


I don't crave recognition and I'm not lazy, but I do try to better myself and I do give a damn about my playing. I play for my own enjoyment and to entertain others. How does this fit into your logic?

I've met people like you before, pretentious $%@#* who think that anyone without a music degree shouldn't be allowed to enjoy music.
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You failed to get the message. It has nothing to do with degrees. And by the way a person who doesn't see the world with your eyes doesn't need to have issues, it's just a different opinion, nothing more nothing less.

[quote name='chris_b' timestamp='1356953898' post='1915460']
Inti, you seem to have a very elitist attitude.

You'll probably play as many gigs in a year as I do in a week with that approach.

Seems like it's a win win situation for both of us.
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Absolutely! One tries to better his field. The other doesn't give a damn but craves recognition anyway... Ironic isn't it? As I said before: laziness and lack of skills desperately searches for justification. Call me whatever you want, nazi, elitist, fascist, snob... I love music and I'm really tired of people raping this art in the name of entertainment.

[quote name='wateroftyne' timestamp='1356952871' post='1915435']
Don't feed the troll, folks...
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We know were you stand. No need to be offensive in an individual manner.

[quote name='Mykesbass' timestamp='1356950470' post='1915404']


What a ridiculously arrogant and pretentious post! Why on earth can't a musician be an entertainer? It's art, and art is there to be appreciated/enjoyed, and if you are appreciating/enjoying something then it is entertaining.
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There's an enormous difference between entertaining as a clown with an instrument in your hands and entertaining as the natural result of people enjoying your creativity. One is a whore, the other an artist.
But then again laziness and lack of skills will always try to justify themselves. The repugnantly low musical level we see all around is a direct result of this mediocre and confused mentality.

[quote name='Mog' timestamp='1356948117' post='1915363']


I get ya lad. We simply have different opinions on the subject. Nothing wrong with that at all.
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One of you is a musician while the other is an entertainer. Simple.
Entertainers don't like the idea though so they think they are musicians...hence the confusion.

A true musician doesn't approach music from an economical or an image-fixated standpoint. A musician cares about sound and creation, not how many chicks he'll have because he looked cool or the check he may get for moving his ass behind a fender.

f*** the music industry.

[quote name='Mog' timestamp='1356939938' post='1915294']


I don't get why supposedly professional musicians place aesthetics above tonal quality. If you need to look good get the appropriate haircut and rags. If sounding and playing to the best of your ability requires or is enabled by an extended range instrument then there no reason why one shouldn't be used.
As you said the punters won't know the difference therefore the choice of instrument should be left to the person best suited to make the call, ie. the musician him/herself.
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Bravo.

Thank you! I have used some of your ideas with my students with great results.

[quote name='chrismuzz' timestamp='1356893726' post='1914852']


I would.

If I got a phonecall tomorrow asking me to tour with some god awful act like Nicki Minaj, I'd do it. The money would be insane and I'd certainly have some stories to tell. Would you miss out on that opportunity?
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I would and have thanked no to several money oriented acts that display a lack of respect for the musical art. That's the main reason I studied pedagogy after my musical studies. I couldn't stand the horrible level seen in popular music. I despise most the modern music industry has to offer. Move your ass and be a clown after years of studying and sacrifice? No thanks it's disgusting.

Kudos for all of you who have a great band to play in where you can develop as a human being not concerned about paying the rent.

[quote name='chris_b' timestamp='1356885488' post='1914716']


Surely he achieved his objective then.

IMO, his best band was Andy Pyle, Graham Walker and Vic Martin. All great players and all required to fade into the wall paper for a fatter pay cheque than most of us here have seen in years.

That's life.
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See, that's the problem right there... I can't see why anyone with some knowledge of the world would like to play music for the sake of money.

Rush Hemispheres
Allan Holdsworth City Nights
Chaka Khan Clouds
Jaco Pastorious Continuum

... And many, many more

I bought it in Stockholm and its as far as I know the only one sold here. Instrument snobbery is mortal over here.

[quote name='wateroftyne' timestamp='1356864503' post='1914346']

Not specifically, no - unless the folks who have posted on this thread that they understand why it happens are all from the North East, which I don't think they are.



I've highlighted the important part of your quote.
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Aaaaahhhh a limited entertainer! ...play for me slave! Play!

[quote name='ezbass' timestamp='1356864277' post='1914339']

Not just Sweden, I've seen this in local jams right here. I remember when I first started playing bass around 2000 and thought the best way to get myself out there was turning up to jams where I'd previously played guitar. My first bass was a cheap, but pretty good quality Yamaha RBX and I overheard disparaging comments from the resident P playing bassist about 'modern' basses. I didn't get to play that night.
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Of course you didn't get to play! You hadn't seen the light you know...

[quote name='wateroftyne' timestamp='1356863942' post='1914334']


As has been suggested elsewhere, there's nothing idiotic or moronic about it.
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In my world it's totally idiotic and moronic to be limited by looks in a sounding art form. People who favor looks over sound and claim to be musicians are certainly more entertainers than artists.

Is it so much to ask to take music seriously?....clearly it is.

Classic series every day, all day long.

You should see Sweden then...you won't get a gig if you don't show up with a fender. Just look at the market here, there are beautiful non fender basses for sale at really low prices, nobody wants them. Last year I bough a Warwick for something like 300£ and it had been for sale for a year or so. More strings shure but then it has to be your own band.
I've never experienced a place were contacts, looks and gear mattered so much more than skills than here. Maybe because we are so few? Who knows. Strange mentality.

[quote name='BassPimp66' timestamp='1356828778' post='1914188']
[b]*** INFLATION ALERT *** [/b]

GBP 2,000 for an Ibanez? It's like paying GBP 20/kg for sirloin steak, when it used to be GBP 15/kg a year ago.
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You don't pay 2000 for an Ibanez. You pay 2000 for an amazing bass, how can that be so hard to get?

[quote name='Stan_da_man' timestamp='1356827203' post='1914178']
It's just a badge thing.

Like those sad cases that get rid of Squier on the headstock and put a Fender decal on.

If that Ibby was worth the asking price then I'd buy it.
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It's seems to be a badge thing why people DON'T buy it. Put a FODERA on the headstock and people would find it a bargain.

This is certainly an amazing instrument. Not played one=no opinion.

Just got one of these yesterday. I went to the store with no intention of buying anything when I saw this sucker and began to play it. Oh man...I couldn't part ways with the instrument, it's simply the best bass I've played since my Yamaha TRB 6P. I've owned more than 50 basses in my life. I understand the price tag completely, you really need to play this instrument before criticizing it. The feel is totally professional the neck profile is perfect, not like those unplayable SR-toothpicks. It's balances perfectly and sounds good for anything. I can really play on this one. The bass invites for playing and beats my old ibanez btb 1206 prestige BIG TIME in every aspect but looks and pickups (and that btb was a work of art)
The cons: heavy weight (for me, it's somewhere around 5 kg), not as quiet electronics as I would like from an expensive bass, e string feels a little dull. Other than that its a dream bass come true. Try one, this bass will be a cult instrument in the future.

Just got one of these yesterday. I went to the store with no intention of buying anything when I saw this sucker and began to play it. Oh man...I couldn't part ways with the instrument, it's simply the best bass I've played since my Yamaha TRB 6P. I've owned more than 50 basses in my life. I understand the price tag completely, you really need to play this instrument before criticizing it. The feel is totally professional the neck profile is perfect, not like those unplayable SR-toothpicks. It's balances perfectly and sounds good for anything. I can really play on this one. The bass invites for playing and beats my old ibanez btb 1206 prestige BIG TIME in every aspect but looks and pickups (and that btb was a work of art)
The cons: heavy weight (for me, it's somewhere around 5 kg), not as quiet electronics as I would like from an expensive bass, e string feels a little dull. Other than that its a dream bass come true. Try one, this bass will be a cult instrument in the future.

Did they not build any 7006?

[quote name='Conan' timestamp='1353340008' post='1873841']


Er...You know that sound is a subjective matter don't you?
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Absolutely, but the subjective opinion of a great bassist is not to be taken lightly like the subjective opinion of a charlatan who thinks technique is irrelevant.

Di Marzio model J/P...best PU for the buck.