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Ah yes... Talent - yeh, I guess that would help too... Bowing on the silver slaps - no, I must be said that's not exactly their strongest point! - a bit squeaky and reedy.... It can be done, especially if it's just the odd final note, but I certainly wouldn't want to try a concerto on them. (not that I'm likely to be doing that anytime soon! ) As for the difference between silver slaps and super silvers; well the supers are higher tension (with the proportional increase in volume and body that would go with that) I should also mention the psycho slaps, which are a similar tension to the supers but are thicker, though I'm afraid I'm not familiar with the sound of the psychos so I'm not sure how that differs from the supers....

Hi Jennifer, Sorry it took me a while to get back to you..... My first thought would be either the silver slaps or super silvers - though from the lovely woodiness in the sound i would guess that spending £20K or £30K on a bass is probably going to help too! ;-) Anyone else have any thoughts? Daf

Yeh, I'm not familiar with the j-tone, but i guess you'd get what you pay for...

Hi lockpicker, Sorry i haven't replied - i've been away for a fortnight (not that I'm needed round here anyway ).... did you manage to get that pickup sorted?

Hi Sbasstraveller, Welcome to the site! and sorry I haven't replied, I've been on holiday for the last 2 weeks... I'm glad you're enjoying the Innovations - which other sets have you tried? - the bowed response is certainly better on the black wound sets than the silver/golden slaps, but i think the breathy sound can put some people off - not a problem with the H/B140s of course. I guess it depends on priorities... Did we speak at the bass show? - I was there on the Saturday (just before leaving on hols ) Cheers, Daf

[quote name='billyapple' timestamp='1330807849' post='1563365'] I found the trade-stand area much too overpowering. I was trying to chat with Alan at the ACG stand, and to play some basses thru headphones, but the stand over the road was way too selfish with their volume (stand C5, naught naughty!). Much props goes to the Ernie Ball stand who supplied many many basses and many many amp/headphone set-ups. [/quote] +1 I tried to do the same, but it was pointless! - i really felt for Alan, John and Dave on the ACG/East/EAD stand - i think it was starting to drive them nuts... it was really out of order and as they were overloading the amps it just made them sound cr@p as well! Hopefully things are better today. I was fortunate enough to be dealing with Innovation/Ernie Ball on the strings and things stand in the entrance hallway - a lot quieter and everyone was sticking to the 15mins live sound per hour rule.

Hi everyone, I was replying to a question about innovation this evening and realised that (as mentioned by tiki and used by paul king) I'd missed a string off my descriptions! An interesting one as well... The braid solos Primarily an orchestral solo set to be tuned a tone higher than normal; if tuned to concert pitch they have quite a gutty sound for a metal wound string, with a nice low tension which allows for slapping - though with (of course) a slightly metallic edge to the slap. I'll get these descriptions pinned as soon as.... Cheers, Daf

[quote name='TPJ' timestamp='1329160465' post='1538190'] That was on my bass Daf, and as you know all basses are different [/quote] oh man, tell me about it!

Yay! Let us know how you get on.

Tiki, and everyone else.... I know I promised to try and sort out some trail sets of Innovation strings over 6 months ago - the factory is just so snowed under that I've even had trouble trying to get any prototypes to test! All I can do is appologise and say that I will try and get something sorted as soon as I can - though I know that doesn't help those who want to try them now! Cheers, Daf

Gosh - I'm surprised that the honeys are lighter than the Evah weichs - Though I've never played them, so what would I know! I have played the standard Evahs though - just couldn't quite get on with the whole "stretchiness" thing....

Hi Tiki, As far as the solos go I think a few people use them for slap, but the metal wraps do mean that the "click" on the fingerboard is a little harsh - we're currently trying a prototype solo set with nylon wraps.... I think the honeys are probably too high in tension for most slappers. Cheers, Daf

Hi Bassbod, Yeh, there is some stainless steel in the honeys, but not much, so the signal is pretty weak. I think Innovation decided to air on the side of caution with their descriptions.

Thanks Tom, I've actually got moderation control on this sub forum so i'll do that! (in fact, i might just re-draft it a bit first).... Cheers.

Hi Rob, Nice to see you 'round these parts! You'll have to come and visit me in the Innovation strings section sometime... Daf Paul, We haven't spoken for a while - we'll have to get together for that update sometime... And I need to get those other strings to you too!

Hi again, tricky one... obviously it depends, but they're not the thickest string that Innovation do by a long way so you might be ok... Anyone else out there had to open out the nut for RABs?

Hi Artisan, As the guys have said there's quite a choice from innovation... here's a quick run down: [b]Silver/Golden Slaps[/b] [size=4]Pretty much covered by the guys, the lightest slap string that innovation do, with a polished round wound outer wrap giving that "fuzzy rope" feeling - (though i probably wouldn't have described it quite like that myself!) Some people mention that you get quite a lot of noise when shifting position.[/size] [size=4]Though primarily a slap string they finger pizz well with a nice toppy click at the front end, but don't bow well and are very breathy and scratchy . Very popular with slap players. [/size] [b]Super Silvers[/b] [size=4]Based on the same idea as the silver slaps, but with higher tension.[/size] [b]Psychobillys[/b] [size=4]A string similar to the super silvers in tension, But thicker.[/size] [size=4]If the round wound feel of the Silvers puts you off there are a range of black nylon wrapped strings - these generally have a darker sound and bow (slightly) better (i must admit that i love the ultra black as a jazz string!)[/size] [b]Rockabilly[/b] [size=4] black nylon coated medium tension string originally designed to replace gut for slap playing, but actually bows and finger pizz quite well too. A darker sound than metal strings but with some sustain and a good gutty slap. Well suited to straight ahead jazz and rockabilly (of course!)[/size] [b]Ultra Backs[/b] [size=4]A black nylon wound string with a bit more tension than the rockabillys. A real dark horse this one, has a lovely punch to the pizz and a good amount of growl and sustain; it also bows surprisingly well.[/size] [size=4]Finally we have the metal wrapped strings.... probably not what you're looking for but I'll mention them anyway -[/size] [b]140H "Honeys"[/b] [size=4]A fairly low tension, slightly thicker than average, metal wound string designed primarily for jazz, but that bows very well too though with quite a “breathy" sound. They have a gutty thump at the front end with some sustain but a softer sound and less growl than most metal wound strings. The windings are non-ferrous so these strings will not work with magnetic pickups. (piezos are fine)[/size] [b]140B "Braid"[/b] [size=4]Slightly lower tension than the Honeys and more flexible; a metal wound string designed primarily for arco work, but they do pizz well (though with a bit less sustain than the honeys). They have a great gut like sound and speak very quickly under the bow. [/size] [size=4]Hope that's of some use! any questions just ask! [/size] [size=4]Cheers,[/size] [size=4]Daf[/size]

Hi Shaker, I've replied to your pm, but just for reference I'll post here too... I'd say that the honeys would be about 4/10 on that scale, though it's a surprisingly subjective question, and the stop length and the angle over the bridge will both have an effect on the tension. The honeys probably woun't have quite as much growl as the hybrids as they are designed to simulate gut, but they do have some, along with a nice warmth to the sound. It's also worth bearing in mind that they are a little thicker than most strings. Cheers, Daf

Hi Ficelles, I really must get my notifications sorted! sorry, i didn't see this until now - and i hope i've caught you in time.... The string you want is the 9014LBB. the 9014LBH is the honey cored version. Cheers, Daf

Dara, The lack of volume may be down to the bass - it's not that loud an instrument, and the protos are significantly louder than the 140Bs on it... (i've had to turn the preamp input gain down by about 20% to prevent clipping). [quote]I'm sure you wouldn't really notice that in the pit, especially as you are mic'd before any resonance is really taken into account (Contact mic rather than a DPA job wan't it?) [/quote] The bass has both a contact pickup and a normal mic on it, but of course, these aren't just for me, so projection is still important. Daf

[quote name='hubrad' timestamp='1322584377' post='1453124'] I'd just like to get my name on the beta testing list!! If you do get round to taking your proto set off.... [/quote] Noted!

amen... PM replied to btw Bob - sorry it took a while - all my message and thread notifications seem to have stopped....!

Hi Jennifer, I must admit that I've not found them any cheaper than that, and on the innovation site they're a tenner more - can anyone else beat £75? I'm sorry that I haven't been able to get the string trial thing sorted yet - it would have been ideal for you.... soon, i hope.... but when i get these prototypes sorted i shall be on to you guys to beta test them for me anyway, if that's ok....

Certainly will! [quote name='hubrad' timestamp='1320932911' post='1433366'] You'll be needing your coat then.. [/quote] A nice leopard skin one perhaps...

yeh! - let's rock!