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[quote name='phil.i.stein' post='1206135' date='Apr 20 2011, 05:21 PM']you say potato, i say potato. [/quote]

[quote name='phil.i.stein' post='1206125' date='Apr 20 2011, 05:17 PM']correctamundo (he answers in all seriousness). i love that scale. [/quote] Haha....I was just replying to your other post but noticed that you deleted it sharpish

[quote name='Johnston' post='1206106' date='Apr 20 2011, 05:05 PM']But world wide there is more than one language. If one will open doors to knowledge and possibilities then so should two, three or even four. So can it not be said it would be a good idea to learn other forms so you can write it out for yourself and create your own library?[/quote] Sure.... go for it,it can't hurt can it.

[quote name='phil.i.stein' post='1206110' date='Apr 20 2011, 05:08 PM']go on then, list the intervals.. (he asks in trepidation )[/quote] 1,flat 5, octave (he answers jokingly )

[quote name='Johnston' post='1206070' date='Apr 20 2011, 04:40 PM']I assumed that as a big proponent of notation and how it makes you a better musician you would have atleast looked into other forms of communication to improve your worth as a musician.[/quote] The thing with a lot of the various notations is that although they all have their idiosyncrasies,there are a lot of similarities too. They are usually based around some form of solfege or number system. Even in an Indian system like svar lippi it is basically a series of symbols that represent timing and notes,in much the same was as western notation is. [quote name='Dave Vader' post='1206085' date='Apr 20 2011, 04:51 PM']All very nice, but what's the best scale for METAL!!!!! \m/ [/quote] The Metal scale obviously.......As long as its detuned of course

[quote name='Johnston' post='1206003' date='Apr 20 2011, 03:48 PM']Whats wrong with sticking with the time honoured traditional 700 year old string instrument standard of Tablature. As for other instrumentalists I know a few flute players who start gigging around this time of year for one big gig in July and they can't read. But tell me this can you read any other form of notation apart from western standard or classical or whatever it's called??[/quote] Just picking up on these last three points,because I've gone over the rest enough times....... The problem with sticking to tablature is the fact that it is useless in conveying any information other than which fret to put your finger. Of course there are going to be other instrumentalists that don't read,but these are usually in the minority. What other forms of notation are you referring too?

[quote name='Johnston' post='1205940' date='Apr 20 2011, 03:17 PM']But then I know multi instrumentalist who can sight read for Violin, flute and Piano but yet for some reason give them the same sheet and a guitar they would draw a blank. Give them the same sheet in tab and they can play.[/quote] Why didn't they transfer the reading over to the guitar? They can already read,so it's not going to be that difficult to transfer the skill. [quote name='Johnston' post='1205940' date='Apr 20 2011, 03:17 PM']Why?? Why do that for himself and the [b]minority[/b] of bass players where as he could TAB it out and if he so wished to make it public the [b]majority[/b] of bass players could enjoy his work?[/quote] Why not?? Why should you not learn to do it just because the [b]majority[/b] of bass players might not enjoy it. What about doing it for the sole reason of increasing your own musical vocabulary? With you bringing up the whole minority/majority thing,why is it that most instrumentalists learn to read to a basic level,yet guitar and bass guitar players very often don't?

[quote name='phil.i.stein' post='1205935' date='Apr 20 2011, 03:11 PM']therein lies the point. you need to learn to speak before you can read.[/quote] But then by reading you can gain a wider view and extend your vocabulary.

[quote name='phil.i.stein' post='1205922' date='Apr 20 2011, 03:01 PM']also..sometimes learning to play by the rules can be restrictive to creativity. e.g. my favourite artists (both visual and musical) tend to be self-taught.[/quote] The only time it restricts your creativity is if you let it or if you aren't that creative to begin with.

Done

[quote name='phil.i.stein' post='1205848' date='Apr 20 2011, 02:05 PM']purely out of interest, are you listening and interracting with what's going on around you, or just reading and repeating verbatim (i.e. like reading aloud from a book you've never read before) ? [/quote] You could say the same about if you are playing familiar tunes do you just play without listening and just play it how you've learned it? Just because you're reading charts doesn't mean that you don't listen to what's going on around you.

[quote name='Bilbo' post='1205842' date='Apr 20 2011, 02:01 PM']Because you get to the good bits quicker. I have rehearsed 32 tunes in one evening using charts. If I had to 'learn' them by rote, I would have probably managed a maximum of 4 that I would probably forget by the time I did a gig.[/quote] Yep. Plus,one of the most fun things I used to do was a regular afternoon jam session at a guys house. We used to turn up,give out new charts every week-some just chords,others fully notated-and just play for a few hours. Every week we'd invite new people down and it was great fun. It also helped to meet new players and get more gigs.

[quote name='SteveK' post='1205821' date='Apr 20 2011, 01:43 PM']"Stuff your enjoyment -[b] learn to read[/b]... you'll be a better musician for it."[/quote] No one ever said "Stuff your enjoyment".

[quote name='BigRedX' post='1205806' date='Apr 20 2011, 01:33 PM']The only way I would come across notation for most of the music I'm interested in would be if I wrote it out myself. I have a feeling that would be true for a lot of other people on here too.[/quote] In that case,isn't it a good idea to learn a bit so that you can write it out for yourself and create your own library if music?

[quote name='tauzero' post='1205783' date='Apr 20 2011, 01:19 PM']Notation is effectively tab for saxophones. It tells them which bits to press, it doesn't tell them what the note will be at the other end of the process.[/quote] It also tells a piano player what bit to press,or a bass player which bit to hold down-as well as for how long and how hard. Just because the Sax is a transposing instrument doesn't mean it doesn't tell them what the note is.

[quote name='Gust0o' post='1205759' date='Apr 20 2011, 01:03 PM']Oh, lots of reasons: - Because I'm not interested - Because I don't need it for what I'm doing - I only in my bedroom or on Youtube - I am doing it, I just don't intend to be fluent - I'm not into Jazz and don't own any knitwear - Because I'm not a pro - Because I'm on a salary and this is just a hobby to me[/quote] So-you're not interested, but you are doing it? That's great. There must be some interest there to actually do it. As far as not intending to be fluent-you don't need to be,and that's why I always advocate at least a [i]basic[/i] understanding. Even a little is better than nothing. As you do it more though,you will find that you will naturally become more fluent anyway. It will help if you ever choose to take it outside your room too.

Nice one. On a side-I saw Jacob Fred Jazz Odyssey in Manchester a couple of years ago. There were only about 15-20 people there but they were fantastic. Reed Mathis is a really underrated bass player.

[quote name='Johnston' post='1205655' date='Apr 20 2011, 11:44 AM']Just had a nosey around the WWW. Seems Tab was in use from the 1300's and Modern notation for the 16th century. doesn't that make Tab older [/quote] Doesn't make it right though. Try giving tab to someone who doesn't play a fretted string instrument Notation is universal.

[quote name='Johnston' post='1205646' date='Apr 20 2011, 11:31 AM']Actually Bilbo did . It has the potential of accessing sophisticate music . To me it is implied that if it's not learnt from notaion or whatever "sophisticated " music is it's knobbing about.[/quote] I didn't take it that way. I didn't see anything offensive in the term knobbing around. I knob around with scales all time time. As far as sophisticated music-I took it to mean that if you can read to a degree,you have instant access to read and play music that is more complex-be it 'Donna Lee' or Jamerson or whatever. Sure you can do it by ear,but it takes a lot longer. Again,I didn't see it as being derogatory. [quote name='Johnston' post='1205646' date='Apr 20 2011, 11:31 AM']Thats fair enough but for the vast majority the music the want is accessible without notation. Proven by the fact the majority don't read yet of all play music I would assume they would be interested in so reading is not a necessary skill for the majority.[/quote] Every kind of music is accessible without notation if you want to listen to it and spend time learning it. But again,we are back to the 'necessary' bit. Reading isn't necessary for the majority of my work or for a lot of the music that I want to learn for my own amusement,but that doesn't mean that it isn't/wasn't worth learning and helped me.It isn't necessary that I use a 5 string all the time either-often it just makes things that little bit easier. Just out of interest(and going from the Roy Vogt quite earlier),I'm guessing that some of the non readers have probably bought some method books or whatever. If so,how do you play the material in them?

[quote name='Johnston' post='1205553' date='Apr 20 2011, 09:47 AM']Was Hugh Laurie on last night or is it next week?[/quote] Yeah he was on last night. I thought he was pretty poor to be honest.

[quote name='Johnston' post='1205595' date='Apr 20 2011, 10:38 AM']One mans sophisticated is another mans sh*te. So is anyone who plays covers or originals without the use of notation just "Knobbing about"?[/quote] No,and no one said they were. [quote name='Johnston' post='1205595' date='Apr 20 2011, 10:38 AM']Learning to do it just so you have access to music you have no interest in seems to be a bit of a dumb reason to learn.[/quote] What about the access to the music you are interested in?

[quote name='KK Jale' post='1205312' date='Apr 19 2011, 10:46 PM']Disagree! Outrageously wild version of Constant Craving. That band knows what they're doing.[/quote] The band probably does know what it's doing,but I'm not sure that she did. She certainly didn't know when to come in.

They are certainly far better than the bloke that wants to be Plan B and the crap twin drum thing that's on now. Edit...... And everything else on there.

The feedback issue is the reason why,if I know it's going to be loud,I take my electric upright. Blocking the f-holes up of the bass,the same way as acoustic guitarists often cover the soundhole-this should help to eliminate at least some of the feedback problem. Also try to stand out of a direct line of either your amp and especially the monitors. What I always do when I'm doubling is run both the electric bass and the upright through an A/B box- usually the Boss LS2 so I can match the volumes. I also run the upright through an EQ pedal too.

Same place I bought a power supply,power cable,daisy chain and a converter lead for old DOD pedals for about £22.