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I'm looking for recommendations for Stereo Loopers with a Rhythm guide - preferably drum tracks.

Totally new to loopers but need something to quickly record bass and guitar for mainly practice purposes, especially looking for a looper with a drum track as I'd also like to practicing keeping good time as well.  I don't know if I'm barking up the wrong tree but I want to be able to run in stereo so I can send bass (and rhythm) to my bass amp and guitar to tube amp.  I'm really only assuming this is what the stereo function is for!

I think the obvious option for me is a Boss RC3, but they seem expensive for they are and I'm not about just the one footswitch.  Holy grail would be able to have to loop tracks (verse/chorus) or be able to switch memory slots on the fly.  Apart from the RC3, I've spotted this Donner Circle Looper on Amazon, but the reviews make it look a bit fragile: https://smile.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0863JBS8S/?coliid=IBK19M441W647&colid=37QM5FL3GWZ5B&psc=1&ref_=lv_ov_lig_dp_it

Thinking seriously about an older Jamman Stereo or Jamman Solo XT, but the rhythm track is a bit limited - more like a metronome.

Any suggestions welcome, looking at a max £100 budget new or used - otherwise I'd get the Boss RC10R - although that is probably too complicated for me!

Cheers for reading!

On 30/08/2020 at 22:48, fretmeister said:

Best one I’ve found.

 

 

 

 

 

That is truly epic.  AJFA was actually my favourite Metallica Album as a guitar playing teenage numpty, but I really lost interest in them from the Black album onwards.  Just lately I've been getting into the Burton albums again, but not AJFA - I really like the version above though.

Better with fingers than pick I have to say (sorry Jason!)

1 hour ago, shoulderpet said:

I know, I know , Obvious   but I was listening to this track but Flotsam and Jetsam with Newsted on the bass and ok the bass could be a touch louder (but still much more prominent than he was mixed through most of his career with Metallica) but  the bass playing is fantastic, great playing and tone. 

His playing never sounded as good with Metallica which really makes me realise how much they were stifling him creatively, oddly he never seems to be mentioned in the same breath Frank Bello or David Ellefson but he is skilled, without a doubt  

[Youtube]

 

I think it's the creativity that is the difference.  Ellefson and Bello (and Burton) are responsible for some iconic basslines, Newstead... not really.  Maybe not his fault, but that's the way it is.

I was thinking the other day about the other new boy in Metallica, Hammett.  He pretty much always gets derided but many of his solos up to the black album are iconic too.  If you could cut off their careers in 1989 they'd all be legends!

2 minutes ago, shoulderpet said:

Thats interesting, I have heard many people praise his playing especially the bass part for Caught in a mosh, also interesting is that when I listened to the youtube vid i posted I was struck by how similar to Frank Bello the tone is, not dead on but definitely a similarity there 

Frank Bello mostly plays fingerstyle though doesn't he?  Although I do know he plays pick it the song needs it.

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36 minutes ago, Radchenko said:

Hello,

He offers me pay 200€ if first I delete the topic.

I'm explaining him that I cannot delete the topic, I'm not a moderator on the site.

Once I have it I will write a response on the thread to say it is resolved.

He doesn't care about fix our problem and me trying to be Happy with his bass.

He is offering me the money as a bribe to delete this bad words about him. I feel sorry about this situation but is him whose not trying to fix it properly.

Where can I write an official complaint please?.

Thank you.

Try this link to start with.

https://www.ukecc.net/

Also (if you bought your bass from Germany):

https://www.ukecc-services.net/ECCDE.cfm

3 minutes ago, Beedster said:

OK, if it’s cut and dried, is this or is this not a custom bass? 

For the purpose of the EU directive, it's a custom bass as it is built to the customers specifications.

1 minute ago, Beedster said:

I don’t think discussion of the legalities is relevant, it would now come down to a war of words anyway. A legal definition of custom in this case would take a while to clarify and cost money to someone, as would so many other factors.

I think it is relevant.  The legal definition of custom isn't difficult it's in the directive, pretty cut and dried. However it's not needed as the customer isn't claiming no fault return, he's claiming a return/partial refund based on a defect. This is covered by his legal guarantee.

If this was bought from Germany, they are pretty hot on consumer rights. It wouldn't be that difficult to enforce barring language difficulties.

That all being said, it seems crazy to me.  Surely the manufacturer should just accept it back, repair the finish and send it back, that's all he's after isn't it?

4 minutes ago, Cuzzie said:

Happy to be educated on this, but the topic of custom order.

If the bass or product is assembled from multiple parts which are offered as stock and normal, is it truly custom?
It seems to me that the manufacturer could put the options he offers together and sell it, but then it’s called stock?

Surely it’s custom (maybe bespoke Is the word) if they are doing something which is not normally offered in their line, or altering something they have especially for the customer.

If I ring up a store and they only have 2 colours, white and black of a bass, but the company they stock have other colours and I fancy electric pink, and it’s in the standard range and they order it from me, is that custom?

Not trying to be a bell piece, but trying to, in my own head differentiate between ‘custom’ and ‘assembled from stock part options’

That's a good question.  The word the EU directive uses is 'personalised' or 'an order to the customers specification'.

So, I would say this bass definitely falls into that category.

Your ordering in the right standard colour from the manufacturer would not be a custom order as that item is offered as stock.

Of course, there may be further guarantees offered in the country of sale (DE?) That would be over and above the EU minimum, so that would have to be looked at too.

1 hour ago, NancyJohnson said:

Under EU law you have 14 days to return the goods without justifcation/reason

Actually this does not apply to custom orders.  It's in the list of exemptions to the 14 day rule.  The 2 year EU guarantee does apply however (goods must be repaired or replaced at no cost to the consumer).  You would have to look up the law in the country it was purchased in to know the details of how to enforce that.  If it's cross border the credit card company or PayPal would probably get a result easier.  Although a lot of businesses on the continent ask for payment by bank transfer to avoid such issues...

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16 minutes ago, Cat Burrito said:

Not bass but when I saw ex-Kiss guitarist Ace Frehley in the late 80s at the Hammersmith Odeon, he had a Floyd Rose tremolo on his Gibson Les Paul. It was a bit like touching up the Mona Lisa with a sharpie!

I wonder if that's where Alex Lifeson got the idea from.

6 minutes ago, Newfoundfreedom said:

Purely a personal taste thing (or arguably lack of). I can't stand Fender basses. They're just bland with a side order of meh. Those stupid big elephant ear tuners make me want to retch, and the shape of the headstock is like the elephant mans eyebrow. Although at least the Jag has a far more interesting body shape than the standard P or J basses, so it has that going for it. YMMV.

Fair enough, that makes sense.  I didn't used to be fan of F basses either, but I've mellowed about it over the years.

4 minutes ago, Newfoundfreedom said:

They don't go for much anyway. I sold one in absolutely immaculate condition recently for the equivalent of about £140. They're great for the money, but damn they're ugly! (Purely subjective of course). I sold mine because I couldn't ever see myself playing it in public. Now I'm trying to get into a bit of recording I wish I'd kept it because it sounded great. 

That's interesting, I've never heard Jags described as ugly. Was there something more extreme about your one?

I have a five string one, they seem to go for ok money (as do most of the Squier 5ers).  I find it a really comfortable bass to play, for me it's the same as a jazz bass, but without the lower horn getting on the way.  I wouldn't have any issue playing it in public, I'd class it as quite a traditional shape than pointy like the 80s hair metal basses.

I don't know why Laney doesn't get more attention.  Seems to be great gear at good prices.  I think my dream rig would be a Laney Nexus Tube plus a stack.  No space, money or need though...

There's a N210 and a N115 for a similar price in Birmingham too.

Not a signature version.  Rich tone had one

https://www.richtonemusic.co.uk/product/fender-precision-lyte-natural-with-case-yfender35278/

Signature version of a precision lyte like this one

Made in Japan and looks to be a signature model.  Domestic market special run?

15 minutes ago, Bassybert said:

I can't watch bands like Iron Maiden or Megadeath without imagining a tiny Stonehenge being winched down to the middle of the stage, or them getting lost on the way to the stage.

Spinal Tap has completely ruined my ability to take metal/heavy rock bands even remotely serious 😩

Luckily they don't take themselves that seriously - especially Iron Maiden.  Megadeth can be a bit overly serious, but even in that video I posted there are a fews stops where they are doing a stupid head banging move and you can see they are laughing through it.

Now I think about it, I'm not sure any music or art in general should be taken entirely seriously...

36 minutes ago, ClassicVibes said:

The song in question was released in 1990 so it would have been recorded to tape. The link above is the original bass track used for the recording. If any overdubs were done, you would hear the punch in. See if you can spot any. 

Just adding to that, you can also hear him playing just as tight on any number of bass clinics on YouTube and indeed live for Megadeth.

This one at Hammersmith Apollo is my favourite

Also, I wouldn't change anything on Krist's track.  It's exactly how Nirvana should sound.

15 minutes ago, Angel said:

Actually, on reflection the EMG route might be the easiest option. I don't need to use the J Retro, it's in another bass at the moment. Thanks for that thought!

This is actually the thought I had.  I have a pj5 bass with a j retro, I don't particularly like the pickups, although the J retro helps.  I wanted to use the j retro elsewhere and was looking at perhaps the emg set as a replacement.  Lack of time and money has shelved that though!

Just as an aside, the is one annoying thing about the j retro for a pj.  In passive mode, you can't solo the P pickup.  You either have both, or solo J.  So I've wired my pickups back to front so the P can be soloed.

6 minutes ago, Angel said:

I was hoping to avoid active pickups as I'm using the J retro.

I drew a blank when I was looking around for a set too.  The problem seems to be the P pickup, not many 5 string options for that, especially in the budget ranges.

Have you checked out the EMG PJ5 Set? About £150 but does come with a solderless loom etc, so saves you a little bit in the electronics department.