mrtcat

There's agents and agents. Our agency usually comes really high on any search engine as it's one of the biggest. They absolutely do not allow bands to dep multiple members unless its an absolute emergency and they always speak with the client if the front person is unavailable. Yes they have the contract side of things absolutely sewn up but they aren't the band's enemy by any means. Our relationship with them is excellent and they really look after us. In the event of a client breaching the contract they will take over and have been excellent at making sure we get what we're owed. I don't doubt they would come after us if we were to breach an agreement but they have been extremely supportive throughout my time working with them. I am currently in my second band under the same agent and between the two bands have been with them for a total of 6 years now. 

12 hours ago, gjones said:

A drummer I know has a band like that. He puts together several bands under the same name, with random musicians, depending on how many bookings he gets on the same date.

 

He calls them the A team, B team, C team etc depending on how competent and experienced the musicians are in each band.

 

He plays with the A team of course but gets his own cut from each of the other bands that are playing on the same night.

 

You wouldn't want to get the D team for your wedding. Les Dawson is on keyboards 🤣

That really is pretty terrible. Depping one or, at a push, two members due to illness or unavoidable issues is one thing but depping whole bands is just misrepresentation. If our front man is ill or suddenly unavailable for a genuine reason then our agent will always notify the client and offer either a dep, a different band or a refund. The band has to look and sound as close as possible to what is advertised. 

5 minutes ago, EBS_freak said:

Theatre is still moderately buoyant. Wedding scene is largely unimpacted, corporate is well down. Everything else is crashing compared to where it was 3 or 4 years ago. People just aren't spending the money. At the lower budget end of the wedding scene, people that would have stretched to a band are mostly going for DJs.

 

Trouble is for me personally, I'm bored of where I am. Weddings are pretty frustrating in the fact that it's so formulaic and predictable. I can't complain, I've earned some good money over the years and like yourself, spent a few years doing the big NYE gigs. They don't even excite me anymore!

 

Your comment did make me smirk though - one of the things that angers me a lot about the wedding scene, is that it's basically becoming a bunch of scratch bands - and that really doesn't sit well with me. There's folk like yourself with a static lineup which is great - but then, the vast majority seem to be a bunch of musicians thrown together at the last minute, going out with scrappy gear. It's amazing how many of the "UK's Best Wedding Band" go out with inappropriate "Powerful PAs" (a couple of Behringer tops), a sorry excuse for "Amazing light show" (a couple of par cans) and sound absolutely awful and totally non representative of the promo material that they present. I don't think thats fair on the clients who have no doubt spent hours choosing their ideal band only for a band of deps to turn up. That's becoming the norm as more and more musicians scrabble about, ditching gigs for other gigs to earn another fiver. I don't want to be part of that scene, especially when I'm the one holding the contract. The whole thing has mostly become a joke anyway, it's a battle of the promo - and as you'll know and I've stated, the promo rarely represents the reality of what the band sounds like live. It peeves me off seeing all these super produced mega band promos where you can hear the vocalists have been tuned within an inch of their lives, vocal stacks for days, a million over dubs yiddah, yaddah, you know how it is. It's Richard Turpin stuff.

It's a real wild west out there and there are endless scratch bands with naff gear like you say. I couldn't work like that and I also couldn't work with musicians who mess the band around and ditch bookings they're already committed to for better paid gigs. Weddings are definitely very formulaic and are more about earning than a love of the music you are playing. They can however be fun if you all get along well and can be philosophical about the bad ones. For me, the worst thing is being in a band with a solid lineup who can perform a good set and own a quality PA system (we no longer own that massive old LD Systems rig thankfully) but then have to plug into a venue's system that makes it all sound terrible. I'd like to think our promo material is generally pretty honest and we do post quite a lot of live stuff too. My biggest ssue with our promo material is that it is produced by the agency who churn out endless carbon copy videos so all the bands look the same.

12 hours ago, TimR said:

It's weird. A lot of people have a lot of money and a lot of people have no money. 

 

It's not just gigs. It's lots of activities. Getting people out to anything is hard. 

 

I think the people who have found something else to do, have found subscriptions to TV streaming and box sets. My friends are always talking about this box set, that box set. My wife seems glued to the TV. I hardly watch it, I'm out most nights and most days during the weekend. I can't bear sitting at home not doing something. 

 

Online shopping and delivery takeaways means less eating out and trips to the shops. People are working from home. Some people have started to become hermits. Will take a coupe of years to get people to change from these new habits. 

I think this is very true. The pub / club / theatre scene is probably suffering more whereas the wedding / function scene is busy. People aren't going out as much so people getting married are splashing the cash on bands, especially if that band has a good online presence with plenty of quality media. People can sit behind a PC and choose their wedding suppliers easily without having to leave the house.

Got 62 weddings and 3 corporates in the diary for 2023 at present. That should go up to around 90 gigs by the end of the year. We have put prices up a touch but the problem is that people tend to book us up to 2 years in advance so it can take a long time before we see that price increase take effect. 

Not complaining though. Just signed all the contracts for a NYE gig on a beach in the Maldives. 

Been amp free for 4 years. Full Band all on iems even in rehearsals. Have probably done 400 gigs (mostly weddings or corporate events) without any backline now. Can't really see any benefit in going back to using an amp. The biggest benefit comes at smaller gigs where its so much easier to get a full fat sounding mix out front without any amps or monitor speakers on stage. 

We do have a decent PA system though and bigger gigs usually involve PA hire with an engineer.

Karaoke version is good for cheap backing tracks. You can pick and choose which instruments you want and change key etc. £1.99 per song.

2 hours ago, dclaassen said:

I am considering this for our pub band. We would have to record live, so I’m thinking of using a second board into pro tools. Vocals straight from the FOH board, amps di’ed, amd the drums mic’ed. Might be more trouble than it’s worth though, as pub owners/landlords want reassurance that beer will flow and fun will be had…which means video and/or pics.

Can someone lend you a digital mixer (behringer xr18 or similar)? That would be way more simple than using 2 desks to track live.

My experience with demo material is that video is way more likely to get you bookings than audio. 

If you have a digital mixer you can do a live video where you connect a laptop to the mixer and multitrack record whilst simultaneously filming from various angles. The music can then be mixed nicely and synced to the video edit. You could record a whole set and then just cut together clips of loads of your songs. People rarely listen to a whole song as a demo so a short burst of clips can have a much better impact.

Edit to say that this approach only works if you are good live. If you do video and look bored / nervous / awkward etc it can do more harm than good.

At the time when I left school, becoming a musician seemed a complete impossibility. I was a fairly average bass player who seriously lacked self confidence. My mother was pretty unpleasant and criticised me at pretty much every opportunity and that just made me less confident.

After uni I took a rubbish job just to keep her off my back. After 2 years I was so sick of it that I jacked it in and followed my then girlfriend out to Greece where she had found a job with one of the big tour operators for the summer. She hated her job and we fell out so she left for home. I took her job, which i had been helping her with anyway and stayed for the rest of the summer. I loved it and at the end of the summer I was offered promotion and winter work in ski resorts which turned into full time year round work eventually working as a snowboard instructor in Europe and then the USA. I did it for 11 years and saw the world, meeting my wife along the way. By this point my confidence was sky high and, when we returned to the UK in 2008, I quickly picked up music again.

I now earn half of my income from music and set up my own pest control business that allows me to make up the rest of my income whilst being flexible enough to gig multiple times a week.

I couldn't care less whether anyone thinks music is a valid form of income. It works well for me and my family and I'm happy. I know plenty of people with "proper" jobs who can't honestly say they are happy.

20 hours ago, spacecowboy said:

 

That is really poor. For a shop that specialises in basses not to spot that and describe it properly is pretty shocking.

Line 6 Relay G50. Well used but also well looked after. Transmitter shows signs of wear (see photo) but this is purely cosmetic and it all works as it should. I don't have the original power supply so will include a one spot although this will run of your usual pedalboard power supply. Comes in original packaging and price includes postage within mainland uk.

MXR M80 Bass Di+ Used good condition. No issues at all and a very useable Di pedal. Used as a backup to a Helix so has spent most of it's life in my gig bag. Price includes postage to mainland Uk. I don't have the original box I'm afraid but will be well packaged.

Only one month old so condition is like new. Absolutely lovely pedal, built like a tank and sounds awesome. I have this and the Super Vintage version and have to choose one or the other. The Super Vintage suits my needs slightly better so this one is up for sale.

Price includes postage but will knock £10 off if you want to collect (South nothamtonshire just off A43 between J15a of M1 and J10 of M40). 

Includes original box.

12 hours ago, Muppet said:

I wish!  I just chose the middle of the village 😁

Haha good call. I'm in Whittlebury so it's good to hear there are other basschat members in the shire.

Turns out @Muppetis in my neighbouring village. Small world as it says he lives in the pub which is where my band played just a few weeks back.

I use fusion urban (both single and double) gig bags. Used to use Mono M80 but the fusion just feels like a step up in terms of protection. 35 inch scale is no problem at all and fusion customer service is top notch.

On 24/08/2022 at 22:07, mcnach said:

 

 

So whoever is there doesn't even sign with their own name? 

 

Marcus was working there when I visited 3 weeks ago so was almost certainly him that emailed you.

11 hours ago, LukeFRC said:

look at the picture above where it says "sunbeams" ....

A bit confusing though as the title say 45-105 which is a 4 string set

SOLD

Line 6 Helix Floor in Swan Flightcase. Also comes with original box and packaging.

Time to dial back my gigging gear so this is up for sale. This has lived its entire life in the flight case and is in great shape save for a couple of scuffs on the left corners where I have caught it when putting the lid on the case. Running the latest firmware and working perfectly. 

Case has a double power socket with 2 USB connections which is wired so the whole lot runs off a single kettle lead.

Can leave my patches or do a factory reset. I will miss it as it has been absolutely brilliant.

Collection only from Whittlebury in South Northamptonshire (between J10 of M40 and J15a of M1).

Price is firm at this time. May consider a trade for a nice Jazz bass with rosewood board and blocks or a nice PJ Precision. 

Did this sell? If not I'll take it.

On 25/07/2022 at 14:22, bassadder said:

What’s it like in IEM’s as I don’t use an amp like these days?, what DI do you use with the SBVT. I did use an NOI Edison valve pre, a Barber Electronics Linden and Audio Kitchen Small Trees Valve DI. Sounded mega but to many pedals to get the sound I wanted. I want something simple that’s fab. The DI in the BassRig and cab simulator was my first choice till I saw the SBVT, Shame it doesn’t have a DI

I would be interested to hear the answer to this too. I'm tempted by the Origin Bass Rig so I can downsize from a helix but would need to look at a di solution if I considered the SBVT.

1 hour ago, TimR said:

I do wonder at what point the members of a band would be considered guilty of some kind of incitement if they failed to calm the music down or even stop if a crowd gets violent. 

You can't play on when there's a fight happening at a wedding. It just wouldn't happen. If a crowd gets violent the band has to stop playing altogether end of.

18 hours ago, JapanAxe said:

What were the circumstances that led to this?

Almost identical on all 3 occasions. 1st was punters climbing on stage mid set and trying to sing into mics and grabbing our spare guitars out of the rack. 2nd we had someone get on stage while we were getting changed who decided he wanted to try drums. He hit the snare so hard that by the time we got to him he had gone through the skin. That was the start of problems but the clincher was when lads were on each others shoulders on the dancefloor and barging into each other until one of them fell onto stage and took out 2 mic stands and cracked the screen on guitarists helix. 3rd one was a fight broke out on the dancfloor (rugby lads) and then spilled over into all our gear resulting in broken lights and a toppled PA stack.

We video all of our gigs on the offchance we actually do something worth sharing on social media. This is cracking evidence when we walk off.

PLI is a must for all gigs but in this instance a watertight contract would have been even more useful. I'm sure your existing standard contract covers most things but, with events like this in mind, it should definitely include:

* Band requires a safe, firm and level stage and footing for all equipment (include minimum dimensions). 

* Client accepts full responsibility for damage to band equipment caused by avoidable behaviour of client's guests.

* Client is to ensure that no guests enter the bands performance space or interfere with the bands equipment.

There are loads of things you can add to suit your needs. Breach of agreement needs to be highlighted on the night and you must reserve the right to pack up and leave if you feel there is a danger to you or your equipment. 

We have packed up mid gig 3 times since covid restrictions were lifted and on each occasion the contract has backed us up. Our agents are ace too and have backed us each time too.