Lowend soldier

6 minutes ago, alexa3020 said:

I know this thread is about class d vs a/b, but does lightweight (neo) cab vs heavy cab play a part in this as well. I think it’s less of a factor personally, but interested to get everyone’s take - particularly as I’m still lugging heavier cabs around

Folded horns all the way 🤣

Damn my torment continues with my curse of the 5 strings 😥. That's a cracking bass

2 minutes ago, Rich said:

Hah I don't have the greatest or least achey back in the world and lightweight kit has been a revelation for me - my days of 100lb cabs and 60lb amps are gone for good - but if you're happy with the casual sexism of calling me a "girl" you carry on. 

If you was humping at the time and birth of these, then you,ll understand my banter sir.

This is "rock n roll" is it not or did I take a wrong turn 😉🤣

3 minutes ago, Ed_S said:

 

Even if you're right and lightweight gear didn't come along because the tech was better, I personally reckon gear is better because lightweight tech came along.

 

I want storing and transporting, loading in and out, and setting up and tearing down to be as trivial and literally painless as possible. They just aren't important aspects of the gig as far as I'm concerned, and I can't see how the audience would ever care how difficult I'd made them for myself. They might care if there's less energy and interaction on stage and I look like I don't want to be there because I'm clapped-out or injured before I even play the first note, though. Any improvement in sound that I might gain from using heavier kit is nothing compared to the improvement in performance I can give by not doing.

 

Or to put it another way, my audience isn't there to check out my humping capabilities. Mercifully!

Thank you for your ver valid opinion. My needs are not important to you as you say. And I cant question your preference or reasoning in using your set up. Its 100% correct and personal too you. 

Again I'm not claiming anything other than at home when I push the volume on my class d heads. Personally,I feel I lose shape in a way my other heads dont. Fox said it better above. It's a feeling/vibrational thing. Others obviously get that aswell. 

Its certainly not a full on attack of anyone employing a class d head on the battlefield as it's been perceived by many tbf.

34 minutes ago, FinnDave said:

I have an Orange Little bass Thing and Trace Elliot Elf as a back-up, with a light Super Compact cab. Nice and light and easy on my back. But for today's gig I shall be taking one of my 20 year old ABM combos (or possibly two of them) as they simply sound better, and not just to my ears, but the rest of the band all commented on how good the bass sounded when I dragged one of the heavy combos along to a rehearsal.

Your comment got me thinking of my times sat out front in the crowd and I,m off too start the new BC debate/free for all on how much better a backline of folded horn cabs are better than going through a pa 🤔😉😂😂😂  Hows the classic going sir....

22 minutes ago, Supernaut said:

Oh dear!

You leave my early morning chemical imbalance alone, you bully  😉😂🤣

11 hours ago, agedhorse said:

Actually, how an amp sounds when it's driven hard is not so much the type of power supply and power amp, but the intent of the designer and the choices made in voicing and dynamics of the circuitry. Music has evolved, so have the designs at the same time.

 

If the voicing and dynamics response of an older school amp or voicing choices appeal more to you, then that's what you should play, and quit disparaging those who don't share your personal preferences and tastes.

 

Music has evolved ??????? I agree bass playing has evolved for some but not for all. Some of us actually still like some bass in the signal. You,ve picked my points, rubbished them without any substance what so ever sir. I can pin the vids here but certainly no point in handbag bashing.

I have no idea what heads you have made, you talk about the tech side and your obviously very knowledgeable with the tech but you are ommitting facts too suit your angle.

These heads never came along because the tech was better, they were born out of guys being girls about humping kit about.  These heads started appearing and the companies latched on too a growing trend in the market. 

Companies will always sell their new lines... Does that mean new tech is better ? Often its cheaper too make with higher profit margins. 

I have clearly said class d works for millions of brothers, just not for me. Also stated i,ve only owned 7 of the class d heads on the market. I used class d for time sir. I,m not a hater. Apparently you dont like my opinion as a consumer. 

You also know along with the components, a different power supply can and does make a big difference too a few aspects. 

As you know also that its not just the components inside, its how they are designed too work. 

The tests you,ve spoke about previously have no bearing on the ops statement at all. 

Its not an opinion that certain heads use compressions ect too help obtain the higher volumes. Its fact. Tc electronic are very open about that in their rebel heads and have put this info out there. The tc bh500 does not suffer from this like the rh750. Why is that ? Culminates in size of head and components that can be fit inside.

I think the ironic thing is you inadvertently agreed that the non class d stuff does have a difference, as for people too have a preference there needs to be a noticeable difference. 

Surely most class d amp builds work under the constraint of being class d heads?

No ones buying a class d head the size and weight of an svt or a big block mesa. There,s a very big restraint right there.

The components have always been the main factor, in any audio equipment, advancement has seen some parts get smaller but for most parts bigger is better still. My pioneer sx1980 kicks the hell out of modern 20k amps with ease, purely down too the bulkier components within it. Tech is never the end of the convo. And in house company tests always favour the products strengths only. A machine cant hear like a human does. Theres many variables. 

If your seriously telling me you cant tell the difference side by side of how some of these class d amp BEHAVES differently to its bigger brothers as you increase volume then your ears are fried sir and i,m done. 

Again i know guys have sworn by genz benz,ebs heads that i have not used. They are on the too try list.  Infact i have a ebs reidmar750 and rumble 800hd on the way used to try as we speak as I,m actually in need of a small head for my barefaced cabs or its back too the eden metro,s for me. 

1 minute ago, BigRedX said:

 

But that only matters if you, your band and most importantly of all the audience can hear it.

 

What I'm saying is that most of the time only the bass player can, and only if they stand in front of the rig, never move away from that spot and aren't using IEMs. What everyone else will hear, at best, is the sound of the pre-amp valves being delivered by the Class D amps of the FoH and monitors.

i totally get what your saying but its out of context. Forget the giggs. Guys (op) sat at home able too play at loud volumes. Hes talking about hes noticed as he gradually gets too loud volumes his sound starts loosing its shape in a different way too a/b ect and he cant dial it back in. Its a totally different scenario. At home its very noticeable. Also take into account a di,d rig is getting a boost from the powered desk or cabs and extra help with eq ect.   

1 minute ago, BigRedX said:

 

The thing is that these big impressive looking rigs are doing pretty much nothing on stage other than looking big and impressive.

 

From personal experience with my own big impressive rig, is that the moment I stepped away from being directly in front of it I could hear more bass guitar from the PA foldback than I could from my own rig. The PA feed at best was taken from the line out/DI on the amp so it gets no benefit of the power amp valves or the "sound" of the cab(s) and that's where all the big heavy components are needed.

 

I sold mine, upgraded my effects to a Line6 Helix and bought an FRFR powered cab to use at rehearsals and the smaller gigs where the foldback might struggle to give a decent bass sound (although TBH so long as I can hear I'm in time and tune with the rest of the band I don't care what it sounds like on stage and I'll trust the FoH engineer to deliver an appropriate bass sound to the audience). The result is that my bands don't have a huge bass rig taking up valuable space on stage, in the van and in the rehearsal room.

 

By all means if your band image calls for it have a big impressive backline, although if I was going to be in a band like that I'd have a "prop rig" that was empty. lightweight and folded up for transit.

All the power too you bro. But thats not how the thread started. There is a difference how a d class amp delivers the sound from an old school power supply at louder volumes. Maybe your answer exactly explains why class d heads work for many. As the actual head is ultimately not at the louder volumes the op is talking about or addressing. 

3 minutes ago, Quilly said:

In general I agree but the new Trace Elliott Elf 200W class D micro head really bucks that trend. It seems louder than 250-350W class D heads I've owned in the past and it has a real aggressive character also. Similar to those old Trace workhorses in days of yore (I've had a couple). I think they're definitely getting better at making good class D amps.     

Yh i agree buddy. Class d amps are fine and work well for many np. But the op of this thread started it by saying "after a certain volume level, he lost his favoured sound in his class d amps due too the way the class d amps compress certain frequencies too obtain the very loud volumes. 

Thats something many of us also find. And why we chose too steer clear of class d heads. 

People are saying you cant tell the difference. I find that mind boggling. 

2 minutes ago, Quilly said:

Probably not but if you take an A/B amp like an Ashdown or Trace and a similarly priced class D amp. If something goes wrong with the AB amp you're more likely to be able to get it repaired. I has a couple of class D amps go bad and they just weren't worth the hassle fixing.   

Absolutely right. Thats another tick for non class d.

But of course we can tell the differences. This is getting ridiculous. Virtually every maker or seller of both these types of amps clearly state in their own youtube sale vid,s for their non class d heads, That it has an oomph over their own class d heads even.

Thats ashdown, mesa, fender,aguilar ect. They all have a video where at some time they point out "this is not class d so has real old school oomph". For ease of reference, Just go and listen to the first and main selling point in every vid for the boss katana. Yep the 160 watts of a/b power is much more powerful than 160watts of class d. Every add 🤔😂

 these guys saying "Cant tell the difference lol".

Put the 6 or 7 heads i,ve owned through my cabs, blindfolded and i,d name each head by name, such the colouring of each of them too obtain their loud volumes. Why do so many people sell their class d stuff and go back to the older stuff, if its not different ??? 

This was accepted along time ago in the high end audio world and most guys upgrade their modern transformers with much beefier power supply,s. Many buy huge external blocks.  The difference in how the sounds delivered is very noticeable. 

Class d amps are very usable and are so,by millions of bass players. But i just cant understand why a faction of class d users refuse too aknowledge the reason why people hump around a huge rig and pay 2-3k for a real ampeg, mesa,aguilar ect. 

What do they think all the extra components do in these huge heads 😂😂😂. Its ridiculous.

Stuning. Looks carved 👀

if my status neck was a stingray one instead of a jazz i,d of had this with zero hesitation. 

We've all been on a budget at some time, i don't think you could spend a better £275, great upgrades and that body,s looks like a nice slab tbf. 

13 minutes ago, ezbass said:

The OP’s, 45-100 & 45-105 do, given that, I’d say that they all do.

thank you sir

hi. Just brought a bass with these on. I love em tbf. Do you know if all gauge sets have the purple thread or just the 95,s. Cheers.

Absolute bargain tbf........

cant believe this isnt in someones studio by now 🤷‍♂️

11 minutes ago, Kev said:

A 9lb NT Thumb would make this the lightest I've come across, if accurate that's pretty special!  I've never had one under 10lb from any era.

 

Someone must grab this soon.

Been very tempted myself but made some big purchases recently. This websites killing me 😂 

How many £0000,s do you pay with other leading brands for their golden era stuff ?

That terms often misused tbf but not with these monsters. 

1650 for a bass of this era, quality and condition is a complete liberty. 

This would be going under the bed till its 40th birthday

On 02/06/2022 at 16:44, deepbass5 said:

 

The dots are on the fret line positions of their normal place, as per fretted bass so is quite good, easier than i thought it would be, so when up the neck you know that the fret position not shown is between those that are.

so hypothetically what do peeps charge for fretting a fretless neck nowadays 🤔

This is just crazy now  !!!!!!!!!! Seen so many £5-600 basses change hands on here recently that cant touch this bass in any way.

very tempting. This bass is a part of bass folklore fullstop. Its an important part of both, the evolution of bass guitars and the great leo fenders own journey and his vision for the modern bass. (sorry, maybe too much weed, too early 😉😂)

if i hadn't recently picked up 2 nice basses......... This websites too big for my wallet 😢😉

Lovely that. Classic

Nooooooo. Your selling the wrong one 😉😂😂😂

Cheapest one i,ve ever seen. Outstanding bass for the money.