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MoJoKe
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2 minutes ago, peteb said:
Excellent service I think, given the current chaos.
Yup, can't argue with that....
2 minutes ago, peteb said:If I could have got the same stuff ...
What stuff can't he get? Theres UK distribution for pretty much everything that Thomann sells, and plenty of alternatives for their own badged items.
2 minutes ago, peteb said:I have always had a good experience with Thomann and I will continue to use them, even if there is a slight premium to pay.
So have I when I have used them in the past... However, I will continue to support UK based music shops, even if there is a slight premium to pay. And this has been my policy for the last 20 years, so has bugger all to do with leaving the EU! I just value local service/supply.
I'm the same about self-checkouts in supermarkets. i think they are the devil in disguise, robbing jobs and bumping profits by getting their customers to do the job of the staff they no longer pay....
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6 minutes ago, Kev said:
I always shop local wherever possible, check back to read why I’m looking not to this time. 🙂
"something" which UK dealers don't have yet? Bit vague... also a bit dodgy if you ask me... spill the beans or we'll have to assume the worst! 😜
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6 minutes ago, MoJoKe said:
The long and the short of this is "Buy Local"... God knows the UK retail market needs you.
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There really isn't anything you cannot get from one of the many UK music shops if you ask!
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1 minute ago, Steve Browning said:
Sorry. Pedant time.
UPS pass on the VAT charged by HMRC on importation. The money you pay to UPS reimburses them the VAT + their handling fee.
No non-UK seller will charge anyone in the UK VAT directly. They may show the price including but I would expect the delivery address part of the checkout to remove it.
That really IS being pedantic! Of course UPS have to pay the VAT charged by HMRC on import, they are the importing agent, you then have to pay/reimburse them plus a fee (plus their share of the VAT) for all their hard work ....
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The long and the short of this is "Buy Local"... God knows the UK retail market needs you.
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Just now, Kev said:
So what are every other shop other than Thomann that I can see playing at? They are allowing you to pay the inc vat price, and a lot of them have been updated to contain notices about 1/1 onwards, so its not a matter of it not just being updated?
if you look, there are a bunch of non-music EU based sellers who are just crossing off the UK from their "shipping to" lists until this mess has been sorted out. anyone else is feeling their way I suspect.
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3 minutes ago, Kev said:
I’m sure UPS are?
and thats why you pay the VAT, plus a fee (plus VAT) to UPS, not the "exporter", so the exporter cannot quote "inc VAT"
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8 minutes ago, Kev said:
Well this is it, surely the store can’t include VAT in the selling price, and then be invoiced the VAT at customs?? That’s what I don’t understand, surely it should be either ex vat, or inc vat and they pay importation costs through their contract with UPS? I’ve asked them but no response yet, but right answer can’t be VAT is paid twice by the consumer.
On UPS Website:
"For goods sold into the UK valued above £135, the importer will remain responsible for paying the UK VAT. This can be paid by the importer via postponed VAT accounting or through the customs declaration."
The importer.... Thats you, that is!
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2 minutes ago, Kev said:
Well this is it, surely the store can’t include VAT in the selling price, and then be invoiced the VAT at customs?? That’s what I don’t understand, surely it should be either ex vat, or inc vat and they pay importation costs through their contract with UPS? I’ve asked them but no response yet, but right answer can’t be VAT is paid twice by the consumer.
they'd need to be vat registered in the UK to charge UK VAT, and even Thomann are not doing that
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39 minutes ago, BigRedX said:
Even that isn't always enough.
Basschatters from Nottingham may recall "Wayne's Guitar Shack" which sold reasonable quality entry level instruments and associated musical equipment. At the back of the shop was a rehearsal room that doubled as the live room for a recording studio. Wayne also organised multi-band showcase gigs twice a month at various pubs, as well as doing general small PA hire. So not only would he sell you your first instrument(s), but he would provide somewhere for your band to rehearse, record your first demo and provide you with your first gigs, and PA hire for when you were ready to gig on your own. Unfortunately even he couldn't make this work and eventually went bust and disappeared.
The smart ones do this along with being savvy online. I know a guy who is making this work (Henry at eltoromusic.co.uk) but he's still fairly new, having started up just before lockdown, so buy from him and help him though rather than shopping in Germany... he'll still do his best to match price and ship next day... he's even a Markbass dealer!
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37 minutes ago, Kev said:
Apologies if covered, but Musik Productiv still list all the prices inc VAT, and a header on their website seems to suggest that UPS handle customs clearance, implying that effectively other than paperworks and slower shipping, nothing has really changed. Is this true?
True-ish, but you still need to pay the vat and a fee to UPS not to Music Productiv... and their still not down the road from you and make you a coffee while you talk music and build a relationship...
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On 06/01/2021 at 11:19, Stub Mandrel said:
The music shop where my brothers live survives by being at the heart of the local musical community, they do PA hire and that means they know everyone. Plus they teach which helps bring more people into the community.
It helps they are really nice guys and happy to talk music forever!
They are doing deliveries during lockdown.
yes, this.
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11 minutes ago, Jack said:
...... at least one! And I think @Matt P is about my age too!
No, I'm sparticus....
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7 minutes ago, taunton-hobbit said:
Yates - that's a sort of downmarket Spoons, right?
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I think thats being a little over-generous.....
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4 minutes ago, paul_c2 said:
What is the argument for convincing them to shop another way? There needs to be some kind of incentive to use a local music shop. If I go to one (in the past....), and they offered good advice etc I'd buy from them even if they were dearer. But I've also been to some where they fall short of expectations - badly.
Yup, me too. But back in the day they were more commercially viable so It used to be "the good ones will thrive/survive"... not so easy now...
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13 minutes ago, EBS_freak said:
You see, I was kinda with you... but the trouble is, Amazon do it so well.
Most millennials won't even realise the issues as long as they can continue to "add to bag", get it the next day - and then review it on Youtube.
Yes, nailed it. However, I don't know how many millennials there are here in Basschat, probably not enough to affect this discussion anyway!
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21 minutes ago, taunton-hobbit said:
I have 'customers' who do this with clothes -
Shame you're in South Devon, and not East Devon... if it fitted I'd help you bar the exit while you grab their dosh...
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17 minutes ago, taunton-hobbit said:
I have 'customers' who do this with clothes -
come in, see what it looks like on and then gypsy's kiss off and buy it online.
To the extent now that if anyone phones & asks if we've got so & so, we just say no..............
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I guess thats rather my point really. Even local people don't recognise the benefit of supporting their local businesses
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3 minutes ago, paul_c2 said:
That's another topic entirely!
Unless they make a change in DSR, I think the slide towards online retail is inevitable, irrespective of the pandemic.
Sadly too true..... 😫
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56 minutes ago, Al Krow said:
Very neat thread summary.
Not sure what I'm going to do with rest of my evening now that's all sorted? Maybe time to go play a Japanese bass made in Indonesia, bought from a store in London...😁
you surely mean..... maybe time to play a Japanese bass, designed in the US, made in Indonesia, bought from a store in......
other than that I have no idea what your pointless point was, given that the UK has imported world produce for centuries.
My point was simple. Our high streets continue to get decimated by offshore online retail like Thomann and Amazon, to the point where there is insufficient margin to pay the rates, let alone salaries, and god forbid, even think of making a profit and taking an income out of the business.
If you want cheap, and want it to get even cheaper, then don't expect customer service, don't expect anyone to carry stock or be able to try gear out, and when it goes wrong have a way of getting it fixed... and thats before you even think about bagging a coffee while you're there, and maybe pick up a dep or your next full time gig while you're hanging with the other guys who share your passion.
Also, I don't want to do that in London frankly. It's not the only place on the bloody map. I want to be able to do it in Bristol, Exeter, Worcester, Stoke, anywhere in the UK to be honest. Preferably somewhere near the theatre/club I am playing, so I can hang out, meet local musicians and pick up a spare pack of strings or whatever...
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31 minutes ago, paul_c2 said:
£138.27 on Amazon..... https://www.amazon.co.uk/Behringer-XENYX-QX1832USB-Channel-Mixer/dp/B00C3ZR19S/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=Behringer+Xenyx+QX1832USB&qid=1609867388&sr=8-1
The point being, it makes sense to shop around and compare prices. Personally I've always looked at Thomann but never actually used them, because they weren't the cheapest for the items I needed at the time. So their price increase/extra admin/extra fees are rendered irrelevant.
Very valid point. Buy it from an online retailer who pays zero tax in the UK and pretty much singlehandedly destroying UK based shops.
Don't misunderstand me please though. My point is definitely NOT an anti EU one... (its far from perfect, but I definitely voted to stay - enough of my politics now). I'm all for globalism, but I'd like there to still be a high street to shop at, and I'd like to walk into a music shop and be able to try out the bass I want to buy, wherever it was made!
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1 hour ago, ambient said:
So the free shipping has stopped?
it said £8 on the Behringer desk.... some things are free, others clearly not....
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Back on topic:
Just been messaging Thomann... Chat below, but with agent name removed out of courtesy!
The price is plus VAT (yeah, we knew this).
The VAT and any other fees are paid to the courier before you can have the goods.
Thomann cannot tell you how much the handling fees may be. that is down to the courier.
If it were DPD for example, they charge £5 plus VAT, so for a random product example:
Behringer Xenyx QX1832USB: £155
Shipping: £ 8
Fee: £ 5
Sub total: £168
Vat: £ 33.60
Total £201.60What a faff... I can buy from Gear4Music for £190.50, and only pay one bill. And, what if it goes wrong? Do I pay shipping/duty on sending it back, do I get my VAT back, do I have to re-pay the duty/carriage? And do Thomann pay taxes in the UK... probably not...
Other carriers are nowhere near as transparent with their charges as DPD... I'll stick with UK retailers from now on thanks, unless it is utterly impossible to get anywhere here...
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Do people not care much about our UK based music shops?
Sure Thomann, DV247 (no, they are not a UK store, they just have a call centre here), Bax and Kytary may provide great service/value for money (well for the timebeing anyway. May be a much different story post-brexit no deal), but we have some fantastic UK music shops which would love your loyalty, if they are able to stick it out until the C-word is a thing of the past.
Some of them absolutely can (and have great bass specialist knowledge), but many of them just cannot begin to compete with the European monsters, and Amazon, but I for one still respect the benefits of local service, luthiery/repairs and good advice from a guy round the corner or across town. It ain't all about the cheapest price.
Like all the best music venues, they haven't all disappeared... yet. But, please don't come on here moaning when it's too late.
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The also had one in Bristol... they are definitely a German company now though...