Pete Academy

[quote name='chaypup' post='1296510' date='Jul 7 2011, 09:48 PM']Which is why I put this up 2 or 3 pages ago and beat you to it! EDIT: It was on the last page and you commented on it you crazy fool! But it is good enough to put up 2, or 3 or 4 or 5 times![/quote] Old age...

[quote name='lowdown' post='1353847' date='Aug 27 2011, 07:50 PM']Hey good one Pete - looks like you have finally crash landed @ "No Treble".... If the Carole Kaye vid is still up, check it out, a trio thing with Joe Pass who plays a great solo. Garry[/quote] What a great website!

[url="http://www.notreble.com/buzz/2011/07/11/jaco-pastorius-solo-chromatic-fantasy-blackbird-live-in-italy-1986/"]http://www.notreble.com/buzz/2011/07/11/ja...-in-italy-1986/[/url]

[url="http://www.notreble.com/buzz/2011/07/04/stevie-wonder-with-nate-watts-sir-duke-and-i-wish-live/"]http://www.notreble.com/buzz/2011/07/04/st...nd-i-wish-live/[/url]

[quote name='molan' post='1353127' date='Aug 26 2011, 10:19 PM']When it comes to 'cool' I'm with the Simenon brigade: [/quote] Gotta agree with this.

Sorry to bring this up again, but I've read an interview with Victor in the latest BP mag and he makes a valid comment about being able to groove. I've always maintained that, despite having great knowledge of theory and technique, the most important aspect of playing bass is being able to play in time and groove. Here's what Victor says: "You don't hear James Brown sing and think about his technique or his theory knowledge. It's only well-studied musicians who pay attention to that. The general public doesn't. So what do they care about? What makes a million people want to listen to you? Is it your technique? Is it your theory knowledge? No. If you want to appeal to the masses, you've got to touch them in their hearts - you've got to make their heads bop and their feet move. You gotta leave them feeling something. You have to touch them on the inside." Anyone agree/disagree?

This will be 'Jazz Club' to most people, but I have to say this is absolutely amazing playing.

[quote name='chrismuzz' post='1349540' date='Aug 23 2011, 09:32 PM']Slightly off topic, but I once attended a gig where the bassist broke a string mid song. He didn't quite throw his hands up and admit defeat... What he actually did was to shout "F*CK!!!" into the mic and storm offstage cue the entire band stopping the song and the vocalist awkwardly mumbling "Erm... has anyone got a spare bass?" True story![/quote]

Glad to see it's not just me.

[quote name='waynepunkdude' post='1349499' date='Aug 23 2011, 09:14 PM']I just fiddle around in the key.[/quote] So do I.

Sorry, can't get rid of that smiley.

You've suddenly forgotten where you are in the song and what you're supposed to play. Do you: a) Pretend your lead/amp/bass has a sudden fault. Play a drone note until you remember what you're supposed to play. c) Throw your hands up and admit defeat. d) Panic. e) Do all of the above.

I sold a few in a shop in the 80s. They were about £800 then, so I could have bought one cheaper. If I'd known how much they were going to fetch I'd have definitely bought one. As a bass they never did anything for me.

The amp would probably be a Roland Bass Microcube RX.

Seen this kind of thing a lot over the years, especially with beginners. Keep trading in guitars and amps, buying loads of effects, shedloads of books and CDs, instead of actually sitting down and practising.

Awesome.

[quote name='Blademan_98' post='1348363' date='Aug 22 2011, 08:19 PM']Added to my favourites Thanks Pete[/quote] You're welcome, mate. The 'Funk and Groove; thread is worth a look. Bubinga's posts are legendary.

The great Bobby Vega. The epitome of funk bass playing. Every element of the craft is here. [url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkKXDtKesR4&feature=related"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkKXDtKesR4...feature=related[/url]

I would personally recommend a few months of listening as well as practising.

[quote name='steve-bbb' post='1348319' date='Aug 22 2011, 07:47 PM'] Track written and bass by Byron Miller[/quote] Amazing track.

[quote name='risingson' post='1348312' date='Aug 22 2011, 07:44 PM']Without straying into an argument that I've seen many times before on this forum, you need everything to be the best musician you can possibly be. Great theoretical knowledge, great feel and instinct, and great reading skills as well. However, depending on what area of music your personal tastes lie, maybe only a few of these skills will be applicable to you and therefore you'll choose to develop these skills more than the rest. The kinds of players you describe generally come from a classical background, if I was to generalise in a massive way. For a violinist in an orchestra playing a big concerto, it would be seriously frowned upon if you started to play what wasn't written down in front of you, and that's fine because the music is written in that way and doesn't call for improvisation. Classical music is about controlling orchestras and freedom of expression comes from the composer, not the players.[/quote] Good post.

[quote name='lojo' post='1348301' date='Aug 22 2011, 07:35 PM']Strange how this can work both ways, Obviously there are those who know all the theory and use it in jaw dropping ways, improvising around any theme. However I've also played with a few piano players who can play anything in front of them, but cant do anything off page. Is that down to the core of them or has this been the way they've been taught ?[/quote] I used to get this all the time in a previous shop I worked in. Classically trained pianists that couldn't pick out a tune unless it was written down. Very snobby. One particular piano teacher was asked by her pupil to go through the Associated Board's Jazz Piano Exam course. She came in one day and said: 'What does this mean...play with a swing feel?'

Some great comments. On a listening level, the AWB's early stuff was very influential. Highly recommended. Has anyone enrolled with Bootsy's Funk University? Has anyone had lessons from a teacher to learn this style? Has it worked?

[quote name='BottomE' post='1347795' date='Aug 22 2011, 09:53 AM']It depends what you mean by learn. If you mean regurgitating stuff that is in a book or from a teacher then you are right. However, creating your own lines with the right feel and mood is a different bag of snakes which is what i think the OP was about. I work with a gifted keyboard player and he is technically very good. On occassion he playes too many notes and the space necessary to generate the groove is lost - the song stops being funky. When we talked about it he insisted on the notes being "correct theoretically" which they are - but they just ain't funky. Thats the quintessential part that comes from listening. No amount of teaching is going to address that.[/quote] Totally agree.

Way too long.