bigjohn

Looks to me like the 2nd wave is starting to take hold. I know deaths aren't really rising yet, but admissions have started to rise again and cases are rising quickly even when the increased testing is taken into account. A high proportion of the newest cases are 18-24 year olds, which explains the lack of deaths, but it's only a matter of time before this spreads into higher risk demographics. 

I fear what's coming. Especially with so many people thinking the threat from covid is at, least partially over and are attempting to do things which are by their very nature going to mix people of different ages and locations, such as sporting events and dare I say it, music.  

We were going to do an outside gig this weekend and stream it. 

I was due to go over to our studio to collect my cab, meeting our singer there who has the key, on Monday, but i was busy. Got a text from him yesterday (Tuesday) morning cancelling as he thinks he has the virus. He became fully symptomatic overnight. Turns out his next door neighbour is a confirmed case. 

Stay safe out there. 

4 minutes ago, hiram.k.hackenbacker said:

Not wishing to kick off the old 'you should take a spare bass to every gig' argument again, but if you're in a gigging band, you should have something to fall back on if the unexpected occurs.

I really cannot get my head around why, if you have the means, you wouldn't do that (if you're in a gigging band).

I carry a set of broken in strings. Ive broken a string twice in nearly 15 years... 

Own 5 basses currently. A fretless, a bass vi, a jazz a precision and a pj. 
 

I play my p 99% of the time and 100% of the time i play seriously so I could easily live without the others. 
 

I did take my jazz to a gig last year, but never played it. 
 

I noodle on the others. Each one probably less than once a month. 

The other members of my band are keen to start rehearsing again. I’m not keen at all. 
 

I don’t really see it as a risk that I might catch it and get ill. see it more a risk, however small, that if I put myself in a place where I might catch it, then even if I don’t get sick I might be passing it on. So trips to the shops for instance become far more stressful. I’m happy feeling confident I don’t have it and can’t have it other than contracting it in the one or two local shops I’ve been in. There have been zero cases locally. I really don’t want to be the one who brings it in. 
 

it does t help that one of us is a social worker who has spent the whole of lockdown working and going into people’s houses, going into an office, using the trams etc. 

2 hours ago, casapete said:

Think he's being a trifle modest - I've seen him play piano on all his gigs I've been to over the last 40 odd years, and whilst he's no virtuoso he can certainly play what's needed. 'The sun hasn't set on this boy yet' and especially 'Goin back' are wonderful.

Yeah, he’s great...

Here’s the interview I half remembered.

49 minutes ago, casapete said:

I loved Nils from his first solo album onwards. ‘ Keith don’t go ‘is a great song, remember seeing him in the OGWT clip highlighted.. He did an acoustic tour in the 90’s and came to a small club not far from us. Wonderful gig, and we managed to chat to him afterwards and get some cd’s signed. Also enjoy his playing in the E Street Band, and love the fact that when Steve Van Zandt returned to the fold, Bruce didn’t want to let Nils go so he kept him on with Steve too. Nils is also a very talented pianist as well as having a superb voice and his guitar playing is instantly recognisable. 

The story I read about Nils’ piano playing, I can’t remember where. He reckoned he couldn’t play the piano. Never had done before until Neil Young forced him into it, I think when they were recording After the Goldrush by reminding him could play the accordion 😎

2 hours ago, TheMaartian said:

Very cool! I'd never heard this before. I used to run into Nils (and his wife Amy, IIRC) when he wasn't touring at a place in south Scottsdale called Los Sombreros (we called it The Hat) on Wednesdays at opening time. He was always pretty quiet; Amy did all of the talking. She even talked Nils into gifting me a couple of DVDs of solo shows he'd done. Still have them!

Cool  Nils is one of those musicians I got brought up on. I'd love to have met him. 

This is great. Even if only for the Prince solo... 

6 hours ago, Mykesbass said:

When you are the wrong band for the gig. In a previous band we had a handful of bookings for parties from people who knew and liked us. Unfortunately, Bob Dylan, Neil Young and Creedence covers don't exactly cut it at mixed age family events (wedding anniversaies, birthdays), so we'd end up playing to ourselves and then watch the floor fill during our breaks when someone put music through the PA from their iPod 😕

I did try an persuade the band leader not to take these bookings, but they were often his friends and really wanted us to play, but it never worked.

Yeah, been there, twice. Not because we knew them, both because the couple who got married wanted a live Neil Young Band to play their first dance. Neither of which were songs that we play, but hey ho. Both times the money has been comparatively too good to turn down and both were hard work. One of which was very much so. We've not done another and our duly increased price for doing our next one has been baulked at a couple of times since. 

I much prefer being "the band" at a venue, where people have paid to come and see us, rather than "the entertainment" at a random function. Cortez the Killer ain't a party song. 

That said, like pretty much anything. If the price is right, I'll do it, so long as it doesn't offend my sensibilities. 

I've pulled ferrules out with masking tape already on from factory fresh guitars. Doesn't take much. 

Yeah cone diameter means little. I used to get great tone and lows from a 4x8 I used to use at rehearsal room.

Yeah, really, if it's in good nick, which it might be, you never know, then it's gonna be worth 100s of pounds. If it's as knackered as it might be, then it's firewood and junk. 

Just now, peteb said:

I think that tells you pretty much how Brexit is going to work out for ordinary British workers! 

The real question is, will there be a tariff applied when the blue passports are imported into the UK?? 

Yes of course. And that will be seamlessly added to the renewal price. 

2 minutes ago, ambient said:

Blue passports printed in Poland, or is it France?

Hopefully they’ve got the words ‘printed in Poland’ in a prominent place, in a bold font.

Made by a French company and printed in Poland of course. 

Like any of this is going to make any difference to anyone other than making our lives more difficult and things more expensive at best. 

2 hours ago, DoubleOhStephan said:

You said

By this logic, if pretty much all policies which have a detriment can be traced back to UK policy, only the UK has introduced policies that are to its detriment. 

This means, quite helpfully for EU proponents, that the legislative policy makers at the EU are absolved of any responsibility for any detrimental outcomes.

No. 

The legislative policy makers of the EU were, whilst we were members, literally us, the UK, in cooperation with all of the other member states. 

On top of that, any EU legislation that was applicable in the UK had to be passed by Westminster. 

This isn't political or a matter of opinion. It's just a description of how the mechanics worked and continue to work for EU member states. 

it is mechanically impossible for the EU to impose legislation on any member. 

48 minutes ago, Lozz196 said:

Fingers crossed then. 

Well yeah. 

Funny though, and I'm not having a pop at you Lozz, is the perception of the EU as a single, external entity. This is the root I think of a lot of Euro-scepticism and it's mostly to do with how the press portrays "The EU" and the relationship we have with it and had within it. 

We were "The EU". Every time it was EU this and EU that, the press were actually talking about the UK and externalising it. People have never got the hang of the idea that the EU is a membership of individual and sovereign states who all agree to exist in an agreed and cooperative framework. 

As soon as we leave, bar a trade deal, "The EU" essentially ceases to exist for us as individual citizens. We must get used to that idea. Each member country is as it has ever been (and we we were all along) to citizens of non-member states, an individual, independent, sovereign nation. 

Spain is Spain, France is France etc. For us, their membership of the EU is irrelevant. People are still talking like we're still Eu citizens. We’re not. These countries owe us nothing. 

It's going to take some time for people to get their head around that. 

14 minutes ago, Lozz196 said:

So assuming that the EU only do similar bands/performers will still be able to do week long tours as currently, with no costs. Well that will be a result, both for artists/musicians, and for common sense/practicality.

It will be / is the prerogative of each EU member state how they treat visitors from 3rd party states. 

15 minutes ago, DoubleOhStephan said:

Ahh right, so only the ones detrimental to the UK come from the UK policies. 

*skip*

No, I never said that either. 
 

29 minutes ago, DoubleOhStephan said:

It does strike me as somewhat unlikely though that, every single legislation passed by the EU, all the directives, regulations and decisions, were actually made first by the UK and that Brussels is just pretending to be a legislative body and is taking all the credit for the UKs work. 

Thats not what I said. 

What I said was, pretty much every detriment to the UK that’s perceived as EU imposition is traceable back to UK government policy. Fishing rights is a prime example. It doesn’t take much to research it.

But whilst we’re at it, all of the directives, regulations and decisions taken by the EU were done with the UK as a highly influential member with a veto which the UK government of the day has chosen to write into sovereign UK law rather than make use of. I said nothing about them being in Brussels. 
 

literally nothing, ever has been imposed on the UK by the EU against the express will and without cooperation of the UK government, If you have a problem with any of them, then your problem is with the UK government and not the EU. 

These are not my opinions either, they’re just plain fact. 

3 minutes ago, ambient said:

That’s what I keep saying, it’s across the board, the whole of the artistic industry.

And in terms of restrictions and costs to work temporary contracts directly with EU based companies, across the whole of the UK workforce. 

I've done 10s of thousands of pounds of work for Irish, Dutch and German companies over the years without leaving my house (I work in IT). I'm pretty sure I won't be getting those jobs any more as I guess their payroll will require additional admin which will make it much easier to give it to a EU citizen. Before someone says that means there will be more UK work... it won't. 

10 minutes ago, Al Krow said:

The gripe here is that the EU will respond in kind and that's going to mean the loss of work for UK musicians travelling to the EU.

TBF, this is a musicians forum and so the gripe about the effects on musicians is natural. 

In the wider scheme of things, it's not going to be just musicians though is it?

23 minutes ago, DoubleOhStephan said:

What if the EU introduced regulations that impacted the construction industry?

Then if we were still members and our democratically elected representatives thought that the regulations were not in the UKs interest, then they could have been vetoed. 

BTW. The whole fishing rights thing is a complete red herring. The idea that the fishing industry has been decimated by the the EU is a fallacy. As usual with the UK, it has far more to do with UK government policy, which was to privatise fishing rights, meaning foreign boats bought and buy licences to fish what should be, under EU rules, UK catch. And also by the way, without complete change in this regard and a pay out of large compensation to the rights holders (some of whom are rich UK citizens who sub out their licences) this will continue after Brexit no matter what Cummings and his cronies would have you believe.  

Pretty much every detriment to the UK that's perceived as EU imposition is actually traceable in one way or another back to UK Government policy and has little to do with the EU in comparison. If you want to play the game of naming one that isn't, be my guest.