Leonard Smalls

On 14/12/2023 at 19:37, Erax Sound said:

It does tend to be screamers I've found who have this issue, but it's whatever gets the best performance out of someone.

I'm not sure that's the case... 

I lived in a shared house once where one guy's girlfriend was a screamer. While the performance may have been great for those in the room, the rest of us in the house trying to sleep wished for, at the very least, a full isolation booth for the pair of 'em! 

14 hours ago, dmccombe7 said:

Have you considered just staying at home in a downstairs only house. 

Funnily enough I knew an awesome sport climber (doing 8a/b and the like) who decided it would be best to move into a bungalow so that he wouldn't develop his legs too much by running up and down stairs... He was an odd one, mi'nd.

1 minute ago, Al Krow said:

In terms of best "musician", surely that accolade has to go to Macca, followed by Geddy Lee?

From that list, best musician would surely be the actual best musician? So not Macca, because he most certainly isn't. And bear in mind Geddy has an altar to Les Claypool in his bathroom...

So from that list, I'd say actual best musicians would be Stanley Clarke, Anthony Jackson and probably either Les or Marcus Miller.

And in terms of influencing me, from that list again, it would be Bootsy, Norman Watt Roy and Flea...

42 minutes ago, zrbass said:

no Jaco Pastorious

Jaco has a whole 13 votes!

I'm done as well. Until that Kubicki I always wanted turns up. Or a nice GUS like Mr Red X has.

Apart from that, I'm done.

Though I always fancied a Warwick Dolphin Pro... And a Washburn Bootsy bass... And perhaps original Steinberg cricket bat it sparkley pink...

On 13/12/2023 at 10:03, Al Krow said:

These are the ones who have received more than 10 votes

S'funny what people look for in their all-time list!

None of those are even in my top 10...

Bit of proggy type stuff...

This may become a very long list... For me, you'd need Bootsy on there as well as Jamaaladeen Tacuma and Jonas Hellborg!

My top artists were Peter Tosh and Jacob Killer Miller...

Though most of my Spotify listening is at work, whether I'm there or not. So it plays my 1500 song playlist 8 hours a day 362 days a year, and they're the most played, weirdly followed by Vivaldi, probably because all his bassoon and lute concertos are on there too!

Top song was Mister Bass Man by Fatback Band, not sure why their shuffle play chose that more than any other song.

1 hour ago, Nail Soup said:

good advice

Many years ago when I worked on Beeb dramas like Lovejoy and Hetty Wainthropp I used to go along to the music recording sessions at the BBC TV Centre studio...

in each case there'd be maybe 30 or 40 cues, ranging from 2 - 30 seconds (Napalm Death, eat your hearts out!), and all of it would be recorded and mixed in a day! And this was about 20 musicians with instruments ranging from clarinet to electric bass via keys and drums and even violins.

Every musician knew all their parts, and there was only ever 2 takes recorded, everything to picture!

Finally had a basses only (no drums or vox) rehearsal to make sure our arrangements worked. Turned out we were playing all sorts of bits that clashed either rhythmically or note-wise. They were just hidden by guitar or drums previously.

Hopefully our collective bottom end will be tight as two gnats'!

"Stands the test of  time" isn't necessarily an indication of "greatness".  Nowadays, with umpteen radio stations playing golden oldies almost anything stands the test of time... There's yer Polka Dot Bikini, yer Grandma, Yer Obladi, Oblada, Shang-a-Lang and many many more!

And bear in mind that Bach had been largely forgotten after his death; it took 100 years until 1820-odd for his music to be revived by Mendelsohn.

I would personally argue that "great" is rather overused - it's generally applied to almost anything that's relatively popular. I think it should be reserved for music that's ground-breaking and influential as otherwise it's just another way of saying "I like it, and so does he/she". So, frinstance, Derek Bailey's experimental feedback music should be seen as great despite the fact that most people would absolutely hate it and call it noise. But that noise influenced Jimi Hendrix heavily... 

8 minutes ago, tvickey said:

Octopus "saving session" last night for 1.5 hours

Luckily our battery was charged enough that we could cook dinner during the session and still use no power. Whether there's a saving over previous use, and what they compare with, is another matter!

27 minutes ago, Mykesbass said:

the latter is subjective, but the former isn't

I'm afraid any such judgement is entirely subjective.

And I'm the proof! I always hated Hotel California....

😄

3 minutes ago, BigRedX said:

there's a massive difference between the kinds of low band-width data that 60s "computers" used

50s and 60s 2" then 1" computer tape was the basis for analogue video recording. Which has massively higher bandwidth than 8 audio tracks! Video bandwidth is around 5.5MHz. And back in the 90s, when I was involved in this sort of thing, computer processing power was not sufficiently fast for uncompressed full 625 lines digital TV, hence any recording had to be done via tape. Firstly using the component D1 system, which used 3 tapes to record (effectively) RG and B, then the composite D2 single cassette system (which we at the Beeb never used), then Panasonic's D3 (which we did - I used it a lot!). 

When I worked in our transfer suite my most exciting job was to record from a 2" 24 track tape (an Otari) and 35mm film bay onto 19 16mm magnetic tape machines, 6 Nagra T 1/4" machines, 4 D3s, a Sony Digibeta, 6 Fostex DATs and 20 VHSs. I could have recorded it in multiple passes, but this would have taken days (50 mins runtime) so I did it in one, using one of the record Nagras as timecode master (they had the best T/C). It took 3 hours to plug the various machines for audio, video and syncs but it was a joy to see when setting the master Nagra off all those other machines going in unison - each film/mag bay alone was 6 feet high and 18" wide!

11 hours ago, peteb said:

This kind of artistic Marxism bemuses me, the idea that if an artist is outstanding then you must find reasons to say they’re cr*p! There was a thread about great vocalists on here a while ago and there was one guy who hated every great rock vocalist (be it Robert Plant, Chris Cornell, Lou Gramm, Glenn Hughes or Paul Rodgers and many others). He hated them all, in fact the one rock singer he seemed to like was Kurt Cobain! Now, I like whiny, nihilist grunge as much as the next guy,

I note the use of the pejorative "whiney" (not Whitney! 😁) in order to get a little dig in at our baggy cardigan wearing brethren...

But on the first point, there's many factors at play; if something is pushed down your throat and all the media are equally gushing about it some folks are bound to push back a little. This may be out of sheer bloody-mindedness ("don't you tell me what to think!"), or it not being to one's taste, or perhaps seeing that it's all a bit Emperor's New Clothes.

But "the idea  that ... an artist is outstanding" is just that. It's an expression of taste - there is no absolute. After all, if the ultimate expression of quality was how popular something was we'd all only eat at Maccy-D's, we'd only watch "Strictly" and "I'm a Celebrity", and we'd only read Dan Brown...

Bear in mind that many of the world's best musicians (if one counts skill level as best!) are completely dismissed here as unlistenable jazz nonsense!

My mother was a piano teacher, so we had a rather lovely Pfeiffer upright, which from about 3 years old I  spent much time at, picking out thirds, and generally noodling. When I was four my mother began to teach me a few minuets and pieces. I could play them faultlessly with the greatest delicacy, and keeping exactly in time.  At the age of five, I was composing little pieces, which I played to my mother who wrote them down and published them as "Nannerl Notebuch" (she's German). When I was 6 I started a three year tour, playing to the crowned heads of Europe, and while on tour at age eight wrote my first symphony. Further tours followed, with numerous concertos, symphonies and operas.

Then at the height of my child-prodigy fame I heard music the like of which I'd never heard before; it was sung by a strange limping man and it had this crazy syncopation, which I discovered came from something called "the bass guitar" - the song was called "Hit me with Your Rhythm stick". So I forgot all about all that piano nonsense, and journeyed into bass, discovering the likes of Parliament and Bootsy, Fatback, James Brown et al.

By now I was shunned by the classical establishment, somehow my head was shaven on the sides and down the middle was a plume of black hair. I spent my time plucking away on a very battered acoustic guitar with the 2 high strings missing, yearning for the day that I could properly take part in The Joy of Bass.

Then one day as I took my evening constitutional on the mean streets of Hyde Park, Leeds I heard music. Music with a strong beat, and there was phat bass! I ventured into the house, and there was a party going on where all manner of people cavorted in various stages of ecstasy. As I wandered deeper, into the basement, there were some youths playing guitar, drums, keyboards and there was a bass. On its own. With no-one playing it. So I plucked up courage and strapped on the bass. Somebody handed me a strange and rather large cigarette, and soon we were a band. 

A month or so later Dredd and the Badass Weeds did their first gig. Followed by quite a few more - most of them quite chaotic, some of them lasting for many hours. And after 40 years, we've finally (almost) produced our first mini LP.

1 hour ago, Leonard Smalls said:

here's one of his solos

In a similar vein, Michael Manring 😅

It takes some skill to make it so wrong! 

I was always a fan of their early jazz-funk stuff, just not so much their poppier bits'n'bobs. 

But here's one of his solos 😁

1 hour ago, Richard R said:

why "Horses" is considered great. That, and indeed the rest of the album, I dislike intensely -  what am I missing?

Not sure it is! Or isn't!

Either way, I like it because it's intensely visceral. It's unflinching, there's no sugar coating, it has cojones, despite the fact that there's no vocal melody, there's only 5 notes altogether... And the beauty is, no-one has to like it - as has been said one man's great is another's grate.

Still, yer tis!

16 hours ago, TheGreek said:

Is there a relationship between mediocrity and mass appeal?

In my book, yes!

I find most "great" songs to be either massive cheese-fests, musically uninteresting or just generally lacking.

Frinstance, to me, oversung ballads such as "I will always love you" are just that little bit fake - they would never seem as real in emotional terms as, say, Patti Smith's "Horses".

And I see that in most popular music - anything real is toned down in order to not offend or, God forbid, challenge!

But then I want it heavy and in my face; while Mark Knopfler plays guitar beautifully it's just that little bit too wet and straighforward for my tastes. I'd much rather hear James Blood Ulmer or Sonny Sharrock (RIP!) wringing the necks of their guitars. You wouldn't see Tim Nice-But-Dim miming in front of his mirror with a tennis racquet to that 😁

15 minutes ago, Lozz196 said:

on the punk & rock scenes

Both scenes are surprisingly conservative (small c!)... In order to fit in you've got to wear the appropriate uniform. There's a range within that, but at Rebellion, the bloke who gets the most looks is the Belgian geezer who always wears a full business suit and leaps about like a crazy. Full marks to him!

Beautifully played and recorded (as is all ECM jazz!), and a lovely bit of background dinner jazz. But, for me that's all it is.

I couldn't lose myself in it because there just aren't enough surprises, or fireworks - it's a sort of a continuum of nice-ness but lacks the killer punch.

If I'm going to listen to a piano jazz trio I'd go Jacques Loussier or The Bad Plus every time!

New Fads finally release their live at the Hacienda album... Featuring Dredd and the Badass Weeds singer Andy

https://newfastautomaticdaffodils.bandcamp.com/album/live-at-the-hacienda