Baloney Balderdash

2 hours ago, Chienmortbb said:

You are correct but it is worth pointing out that the amount of fundamental we hear is negligible. Some highly respected cabinets have -3dB points in the 60-70 hz region. I believe that the Thumpinator was originally designed to filter out the FoH low end. In my opinion it is too low for bass although it will help. 
 

if you have a variable HPF to hand, try a  cutoff of 50Hz at 24dB per octave. You will be surprised how much “bass” is there, whether playing a Low E or Low B. As for a destined 6 string, don’t be silly. 

But?

It's more or less exactly what I said.

You quote it yourself:

3 hours ago, Baloney Balderdash said:

I realize this is nit picking, and for most parts irrelevant as any real life cab actually used is unlikely to be able to reproduce 27.5Hz, or 30.87Hz for that matter, anyway (it will however, as we can see in that video, still cause the speaker cones to flap, just not producing much of an actually audible tone), and what is actually mostly heard will the the second harmonic, an octave above, and our brain filling in the blanks (as with a large part of our perception of reality in general really).

Personally though I prefer cabinets with better low end frequency response than you mention, something closer to -3dB at 45Hz and with a HPF set at 40Hz, but you are right a lot of bass cabs have a frequency response similar to what you mention.

Also try take a look at the linked video, and behold just how much the 25Hz HPF helps a regular bass cab:

15 hours ago, JPJ said:

If anybody is interested there’s a great video showing speaker cone extension without, and then with a Microthumpinator HPF. This visually demonstrates the “subtle effect”

 

SFXSound Microthumpinator

2 hours ago, Stub Mandrel said:

 

Not also that:

 

Cut-off frequency: ~25Hz

Slope: 36 dB/oct

 

So below the 27.5Hz of a low A on a detuned 6 string.

Well, except for the 25Hz being the -3dB point of the slope, so there will most definite be a couple of dB reduction of 27.5Hz as well, and the low B for that matter at 30.87Hz slightly reduced too.

I realize this is nit picking, and for most parts irrelevant as any real life cab actually used is unlikely to be able to reproduce 27.5Hz, or 30.87Hz for that matter, anyway (it will however, as we can see in that video, still cause the speaker cones to flap, just not producing much of an actually audible tone), and what is actually mostly heard will the the second harmonic, an octave above, and our brain filling in the blanks (as with a large part of our perception of reality in general really).

Just saying for the sake of being factual correct.

36 minutes ago, Dad3353 said:

Just for (general...) information, my use of the smilie '' implies, usually, cynicism, or sometimes condescension, depending on context. My use of '' is usually 'tongue in cheek', or poker face, again, depending on context. I also use the 'Gold Cup' in the 'Like' list to indicate my approval, as in 'Well done, champ'., rather than its standard 'Thanks' label; for that I'd prefer ''. I'm not sure that there is a 'smirk' smilie, and can't think of any occasion I'd need one. 

Try looking closely on the expression of the smilies and what they actually do, then try to copy that expression on your own face and take a look in the mirror.

I am genuinely not saying this to be a jerk, I just assume that I can't be the only one who find your use/interpretation of smilies counter intuitive to what they actually visually seem to express, and therefor potentially misunderstands your intention with what you write.

8 minutes ago, Dad3353 said:

 

Maybe a Good Reason for lightening up with your condemnation of those playing music for other than artistic reasons, then..? There is (much...) more to Life than art. 

How about you take your own advice then too?

And please look at the most recent edit I did to that post you quoted (And, yes, I am perfectly aware I got a bad habit with pressing the "Send" button before I have actually made perfectly sure that I also said exactly what I wanted to say and in the way I wanted to say it. Blame my ADHD. It's not an excuse, but it does explain it).

1 hour ago, Dad3353 said:

 

There are clues in the 'smilies' that I choose to add, as expression of my sentiments. 

As I I later edited into the comment you quote:

I do agree with it definitely also being sad and tragic, but as far as I am concerned that doesn't make it unfit to joke about, rather quite on the contrary. 

That's exactly one of the reasons we got humor. 

Also this was the emoji you used, as I interpret it that that is not sad, it's a crooked smile/smirk, in this context to me indicating that it is something said jokingly profound:

1 hour ago, Dad3353 said:

 

Yes, that's called The Army. There's a lot of it about. 

5 minutes ago, Dad3353 said:

 

@Baloney Balderdash Hmm; you seem to find my comment amusing, or 'funny'. Hmm. I find it sad, along with your reaction. We are not of the same Planet, methinks. 

I am however not the only one appreciating dark humor on this planet, that your post was not intended as such is impossible to tell from what you posted.

I do agree with it definitely also being sad and tragic, but as far as I am concerned that doesn't make it unfit to joke about, rather quite on the contrary. 

1 hour ago, ahpook said:

 

I'm sure it stands as a suitable opposite to 'Take A Break !'

 

I'm glad you don't find issue with my fourth example though - you're obviously a man of some taste

 

Look at my post again, and see when it was edited last compared to when your post was posted and edited.

Though I guess The New Yorker hardly is the language of the soul or the most advanced form of communication we humans are capable of either, or any of the other examples for the matter.

I guess the former examples can be argued, but I'd still argue that of all art forms music is the one that lives up to this description the best, and neuroscience seems to support this, as it is one activity, both intensive listening and playing, together with deep meditation, that activates most of our brain simultaneously. 

4 minutes ago, ahpook said:

Beethoven

 

Yes, and there's Solzhenitsyn and Dan Brown, Kubrick and Bay, The New Yorker and Take A Break!, Stargate SG-1 and Deep Space Nine, and so on...

 

It's all art, it's all creative, you just need to know how to look at it.

 

 

Take A Break is the most advanced form of communication we humans are capable of, and the language of the soul?

5 minutes ago, Woodinblack said:

 

Unless they are sequenced, it is pretty well impossible for most original bands too

 

 

Also, not being Johnny Cash would have caused exactly the same lack of success.

 

 

Ask an orchestra, they seem to like it. And the art of playing things, the fun of playing things and playing live motivates a lot of people more than coming up with something new. Some people prefer playing music to a 100 people who are all dancing and having a good time rather than their mum saying 'thats nice dear'.

My mum is dead.

She died of cancer a few years back.

But judging from the amount of plays my music get on YouTube there's luckily a few more people who's souls resonate with mine's output.

22 minutes ago, Doctor J said:

Your time here should have exposed you to the fact that not everyone plays music to satisfy a creative urge. I'd say most posters like playing someone else's music. It brings them joy. There's no need to get pissy and rattle your artistic sabre at them. I've no interest in playing covers, be they artistic expressions in my bedroom or straight down the line in a pub. I recognise that many do, however. So what if they do?

It's not an urge, not anymore than staying alive is an urge, it's the language of the soul, the most advanced form of communication we humans are capable of, and it's tragic and sad to see it reduced to merely cheap background entertainment.

6 minutes ago, Doctor J said:

To satisfy demand

So would providing guns to people who want to commit suicide be.

4 minutes ago, cetera said:

And in pubs, clubs etc the punters and landlords don't want anything new brought to the table. If anything, the more familiar the better. You may not like it, but success in those surroundings is brought about by playing what the audience want.

That's just tragic and sad. 

Why then play music at all?

6 minutes ago, cetera said:

 

As do many of the worst....

Your point being?

My point was that doing covers aiming for it to be a 1:1 of the original brings absolutely nothing new to the table, certainly nothing remotely artistic, original or creative, and the original will with guarantee in by far most cases be vast superior, and always, well, actual original.

20 minutes ago, Doctor J said:

Your average punter down the Rat & Ferret is not there for Johnny Cash and his emotional renditions, however. They're there to have some beer, dance and sing along to songs they know and like. I'm sure the chaps in covers bands would agree that much of what they play is steered by the audiences they play to and, as such, sticking somewhat closely to the original, keeping the punters happy, thereby keeping the landlords happy and, by doing so, getting paid is the name of the game, rather than turning Good Times into an emotionally wrought ballad and sending everyone home in tears - however artistically meritorious that may be.

 

There's a time and a place for artistic interpretations, down the pub on a Saturday night is not it, however.

To me music is, and should be, art.

4 minutes ago, Geek99 said:

What Does it matter ? Just curious 

Cnc is universal 

Nothing matters, we are all going to die anyway...

Seriously though:

What does what matter or doesn't matter? 

2 Girls 1 Cup...

Oh, wait, song titles you say?... 

My Evil Twin - They Might Be Giants

On 26/10/2023 at 14:22, max_overdrive said:

I'm concerned about existing screw holes being too close to the new ones I'd have to drill. Also, the existing bridge isn't very small, the plate measures 85x57mm.

Just fill the existing holes with standard wood glue, squeeze some tight fitting wooden sticks down in the holes, pinch or cut off the excess sticks above the holes, wipe away excess glue with a moist cloth and let it cure for 24 hours.

After that you don't have to worry about this.

Also just because the body wood of the bass is relatively soft doesn't necessarily makes it a crap bass, the Music Man Bongo Bass and several other relatively high end basses got bodies made out of Basswood, which is a relatively cheap and soft wood that is infamous for stripping screws if exchanging anything, but also acknowledged for actually being a great Tonewood.  

If You Could Save Yourself (You'd Save Us All) - Ween

8 hours ago, JPJ said:

If anybody is interested there’s a great video showing speaker cone extension without, and then with a Microthumpinator HPF. This visually demonstrates the “subtle effect”

 

SFXSound Microthumpinator

Wouh, that's pretty insane.

Wish I had known this many years back when I played bass in a rock band using my 60W Ampeg B-15S, which sounded amazing and was just exactly as loud as I needed and wanted it to be, but unfortunately sometimes would fart out when pushed like that to near the edge of its maximum capacity. 

Also when I was calling it a "somewhat subtle effect" I naturally meant "somewhat subtle audible effect", I also pointed out that it regardless was still "making a quite significant difference".

Tie a hairband or similar tight around the strings and neck behind the nut at the headstock, or use one of these capos to do the same:

Happy Colored Marbles - Ween

I'm usually not into pop, but:

9 minutes ago, Dad3353 said:

 

Sorry, too cryptic for me. 

Original:

Johny Cash's cover of it, from his "American IV: The Man Comes Around" album:

Frankly the recently released HoTone Ampero Mini seems like the superior unit for this kind of thing.

And it is cheaper as well.

11 minutes ago, Dad3353 said:

 

In the same way that some people go to discothèques, to dance to pre-recorded music, or a DJ's mix or 'mash-up', and some folk like the 'live' aspect of singing, or watching others sing, karaoke, there are many that want to see and hear a 'live' band play music that they know and like, often with dancing and other social interactions involved. There are some that will enjoy a musician's version or interpretation; most won't have that as their main source of enjoyment, and having something close to what they have in their head already is what's required. The whole point of 'covers' is to give the audience the impression that they're seeing and hearing the original version, or close enough for them to recognise it and enjoy it. Bringing something 'original' to the party can work, of course, but it's not the 'main event'. Being close '1:1' is next to impossible for most pub/club bands, but add one's own 'flavour' is a secondary part of the affair, for most bands and for most pub/club audiences. 

I am not sure that recipe would have given quite the same success to Johny Cash's "American Recordings" series of albums. 

1 hour ago, chris_b said:

I do not consider myself a hobby player. When I'm asked to play a song, liking it or not is irrelevant. Playing it so the band leader can't tell the difference between me and the original is the main objective, closely followed by getting that second phone call.

 

I play lots of music that I wouldn't listen to for fun, but I can still enjoy the process of playing it in a band. Making the music is the fun part.

I am sure the main objective would be entirely different if you played in an original band, and certainly if you were composing your own music, professionally or not. 

And frankly I fail to see the point of covers that seeks to copy the original 1:1, why would I ever want listen to something like that when the original exists.

To me the whole point of doing covers is to add your own flavor and perspective to them, your own artistic vission.

Some of the very best covers are so because they bring something entirely new and original to the original songs.