Barking Spiders

On 26/04/2024 at 22:34, Lozz196 said:

I have to agree, whilst I don’t dislike Teenage Kicks there are much better songs from The Undertones, You’ve Got My Number, Wednesday Week, Julie Ocean to name a few which are all quite different showing just how good a band they were.

I've got the debut and follow up albums and Teenage Kicks is the only track I skip. Many of their best tunes are album cuts like the cracking Hard Luck 

I play guitar and drums as well as bass and viz guitar I really like a lot of post-punk/New Wave players such as Will Sergeant, John McGeoch, James Honeyman Scott etc and a whole bunch of acoustic fingerstyle, bluegrass and country Tele  players e.g. Leo Kottke, Scotty Anderson, Brent Mason, Tommy Emmanuel, Tony Rice...there's loads. As for drums there's a lot from greats from the heyday of jazz e.g. the Jones's (Jo and Elvin), Gene Krupa , etc to funkers like Dennis Chambers, Ziggy Modeliste, Mike Clarke, Jabo Starks,. Clyde Stubblefield etc. Away from drums and guitar big faves are Dobro meister Jerry  Douglas, bluegrass banjo players Earl Scruggs and Bela Fleck, loads of jazz trumpeters like Lee Morgan, Freddie Hubbard, Donald Byrd and Randy Brecker.  My first instrument was alto sax so I've loads of time for the  great jazzers from Coltrane, Parker, Rollins to Michael Brecker.  Here's a clip of Randy and Michael Brecker doing their thing.. BTW check out the ace bass playing  (James Genus) and drumming (Dennis Chambers)

Just gone through the list again  and checked out many unfamiliar players and have revised my opinion. Actually it's a pretty rubbish list. I lean towards jazz and funk drumming but I've a lot of respect for metal and proggy drummers, many that are not included or are rated lowly: Tomas Haake, Marco Minnemann, Mike Portnoy, Charlie Benante, Chris Adler, Mario Duplantier, Joey Jordison and Matt Garstka. I'd kick out all of the 'indie rock' drummers and many who happen to be in famous bands included to make space.

From the jazz side there's no Louis Belson, Jimmy Cobb, Art Taylor, Joe Morello, Chico Hamilton, Roy Haynes anxd Kenny Clarke. Ay caramba. Be good to hear what other drummists in the BC community think.  I think it's a readers choice list which would explain it. 

13 hours ago, Mykesbass said:

No Elvin?! 😯

 I hadn't forgotten him as I could've easily had him in there too plus many more jazzers and funakateers so I tried to limit myself to just 10

2 hours ago, LeftyJ said:

Aye, and The Outlaws' selftitled debut album. Green Grass and High Tides is a true southern rock classic, clocking almost 10 minutes in the album version but live versions would often exceed 20 minutes. They're very much guitar-focused (three lead guitarists, much like Lynyrd Skynyrd and the Eagles) and feature a lot of vocal harmonies. Their third album Hurry Sundown is great too. 

 You beat me to it. Southern rock isn't really my bag but GG&HT is a cracking number with fantastic soloing. I've also got a bit of time for Molly Hatchet,  mainly Flirtin' With Disaster and the track Boogie No More plus the live album which includes a cover of Freebird , which is the mutts nuts.

This is one I've been working on for a while now and it's a bvgg3r to nail down. Here's the man himself playing it solo in a bass store, Julian Crampton of Incognito, The Pasadenas, Sunburst Band, Down to The Bone, Heaven 17, George Benson, Donna Summer and Paul Young among others.

2 hours ago, lonestar said:

I like Annie Lennox; she seems a very nice, talented person and singer. I just really dislike her voice.

 yeah she comes across as a good sort so I feel a bit uncomfortable not liking her vocals either

Drums is/are my main instrument so i was casually interested to see it, though not expecting much after the bobbins that was the greatest 250 guitarists.  That Meg White's in there didn't fill me with hope. Actually as far as lists go it's not bad, though no way would I include Bonham, Moon and Mitchell in the top 10.

My top 10 , in no order; Gene Krupa, Buddy Rich, Max Roach, Art Blakey, Billy Cobham (ridiculously low on the list), Jo Jones, Tony Williams, Jack de Johnette, Bill Bruford, Dennis Chambers. Yeah it's heavily geared towards jazzers but IMO the great jazz drummers are a breed apart.

20 minutes ago, PaulWarning said:

yep, I'm a big Beatles fan but I get fed up with most singles because they get played so often, thankfully they're one of the few bands where album tracks, non singles, also get played.

Not big Queen fan but even less so now, I listen to, mostly 3 stations for music, being an old fart, they're Gold, Virgin anthems and Absolute classic rock, a Queen song was being played on all 3 the other day 😓.

Oldies stations have so  many songs to choose from why do the same ones keep cropping up?

 I don't mind Queen but radio overplays to death  I want to break free, Don't stop me now, Kind of magic, Radio gaga , Somebody to love, You're my best friend. Not even BoRap gets as much airplay

Sign of the Times is that rare thing, a double album that works and isn't just 3 or 4 good songs and a load of padding out. It was the peak of his recording output methinks.

38 minutes ago, Krysbass said:

There are too many songs to list that I'm utterly bored with, because they have long been played to death on radio and elsewhere.

 

But only two songs spring to mind that I hate with such a passion that they compel me to switch stations or turn them off when they are played:

• There Must be an Angel (playing with my heart) - Eurythmics
• Winner Takes it All - Abba

They sure get overplayed on the likes of Heart, Smooth and Absolute. Back in the day it was kinda heretical to profess a dislike of the Eurythmics. As well as There Must Be...equally turnoffable IMO are Sweet Dreams, Who's That Girl, Right By Your side and Thorn In My Side.  ABBA i don't mind. Can't think of any of their songs have me booting the radio out through the window

17 hours ago, SteveXFR said:

 

That's quite a claim. I've heard Kid Rock, Lenny Kravitz and Train on planet rock

White Rabbit is def among the worst tunes that get regular spins on PR. Just whizzed through the playlist of the last week and I surprised myself with the realisation relatively few songs actually bug me enough to turn off the radio including Werewolves of London (just extremely repetitive), Crazy Nights/Strutter/ Love Gun by Kiss, Ol Rag Blues by Quo, Small Town by John Mellencamp, Blue Collar Man by Styx, Love is a battlefield by Pat Benatar and Radioactive by The Firm.  Come to think of it White Rabbit might be worse than any of these.

15 hours ago, Japhet said:

I think it's more genres of music that I can't stand. For instance, the pseudo operatic wailing of Bruce Dickinson just instantly boils my pi55. I don't mind a bit of heavy music but don't go all 'Pavarotti' on me, please.

there's a slew of cod-operatic warblers in the metal world including RJ Dio, Rob Halford, Nightwish and the like.  When I was a teen I quite liked the first two Iron Maiden albums but that was it when BD came along

On 13/04/2024 at 20:36, RAY AGAINST THE MACHINE said:

Jefferson airplaine -white rabbit 

When I used to listen to planet Rock , it always happened to be on . For some reason, whichever presenter played it they never told us who iit was I was hearing . Honestly , it is dated crap . Depressing is an understatement . Morrissey has the enthusiasm of a children's entertainer compared to this drivel . One depressing monotonous tone. She does shout randomly in places , but I can honestly say it was the worst song ever played on planet Rock. I don't miss hearing it ..

It's just downright horrible hippy shyt3, mainly due to the monotonous female vocal. This is what you get when people avoid the draft. Some people talk about (Jefferson) Starship as if it was several steps below its predecessor. I'd rather have We Built This City.

I was at secondary school in Liverpool. Whatever instruments there might've been had probably been nicked to fund someone's crack habit

Not been able to get enough of the fantastic Hybrid, an epic electronica band that usually feature live orchestration along with drums, guitars, bass as well. They also write a lot of music for films and video games.

YT is awash with music YTers and amid the hundreds there is a wide variety of quality and entertainment value. I subscribe to Rick Beato's channel and indeed he's an affable geezer with some good material. He's very even handed in his judgements which is a good thing but can also be less of a good thing. Sometimes, a bit of controversy and being opinionated is good. I've started watching Anthony Edwards' channel. He's a pro drummer, teacher and has played with prog bands IQ and Frost and Robert Plant. Content leans mainly towards prog and jazz fusion  although he has pretty eclectic tastes. Now, I'm no fan of either genre but that doesn't get in the way. Anyone follow any music content makers on YT, other than SBL and other bass YTers. Who do you rate and who's best avoided IYO.

12 hours ago, TheGreek said:

Blue Monday  - New Order

 

Never before, or since, have a band built their reputation as "musical geniuses" on a single piece of music before churning out a careers worth of bland, forgettable dross.

Also anybody claiming that Hooky was a great bassist needs an intervention...

Not sure anyone ever called them geniuses but their output sure is patchy ranging from some sublime tunes, mainly within the few years after Ian Curtis' death, to as you say forgettable dross thereafter. Peter Hook came out with some catchy and recognisable bass lines which is what his rep is based on. I'd say he's an effective bassist rather than a great one, though maybe being effective is a more important quality than being a great technical player in a Vic Wooten stylee.

1 minute ago, ezbass said:

Bit of carbohydrate overkill going on there. Bread or pasta, not both. I imagine it would be the oddest eating experience too. Pass.

maybe I can tempt you with this, supposedly 'invented' in South Korea

Have got Absolute Radio on and a couple of tunes ago they played the irksome Rehab by Amy Winehouse. Never got all the fuss about her

6 hours ago, ezbass said:

To be honest, I’m a bit sniffy about chicken on a pizza too. I’ve only ever had one that was acceptable and that was because it was very heavily spiced and barely recognisable as chicken. 

 Is this acceptable? spaghetti and meatballs pizza?

55 minutes ago, Leonard Smalls said:

This is often a BC way of saying "keep it simple cos that's the only way to do it that isn't blatant showing off!"

😁

I mean, there's all sorts of songs - Waterfront with its 1 note (though Simple Minds did far more complex stuff too), Rhythm Stick, School Days... But there seems to be lots of folks who are instantly turned off if music is at all complicated (Rhythm Stick excepted!) - this is why Mr Sheeran and Take That are multi-millionaires and Mörglbl are at best niche despite being completely awesome musicians.

In the UK there's a weird sort of anti-intellectual thang going on; when I was a kid you should have heard the jeering from my 13 year old classmates when they discovered I'd read  both the Iliad and the Odyssey. If a red-top newspaper ever reports anything scientific it's always prefaced by "Boffins have discovered", as if Boffins are a different species from yer average Joe and somehow to be pitied. I mean why would you tinker about with all this cleverness and not be watching the footie or enjoying the X Factor? The only sorts of knowledge that are acceptable under this scenario are an ability to recite every FA cup winner since 1921 or the exact exhaust valve clearance of a 1968 Ford Anglia. That's proper bloke stuff innit, not wishy-washy wet swot stuff! I blame The Beano...

There's long been an anti-'intellectual' prejudice, not just the right wing press but across UK society at large, which doesn't exist across western Europe. Take opera for example. Here it's 'music for snobs' but in Italy (which I know best) it's for everyone and anyone. There there's no association between high art and  social class. In France, which I've also lived in, there are living philosophers that are near household names. It most definitely is a British disease. Maybe it's similar in other anglophone countries I can't say. There you go, If I was overheard saying 'anglophone' in an English pub I'd get my head kicked in. As for 'boffins' that equates with nerd and geek in the UK and the US (or whatever the equivalent of boffins is) for that matter. Look at some English phrases e.g. 'smart Alec', 'too clever by half', these are perjoratives (now I've gone and done it).  Going back to music, it's quite depressing too be reminded how Oasis and Spice Girls fever gripped the general British public back in the 90s a time when 'Jack the lad' publications like Loaded and FHM were go-to reading for males under 30.

7 hours ago, tauzero said:

 

Indeed. I got as far as Bakithi Kumalo (whose playing on Graceland I absolutely love) and decided to give up (unless Daryl Jones was after him, in which case that's how far I got). They sound far better in context. This reminded me of

 

 

Among that 25 are many of my fave players but not within the context shown. I second your comment about Bakithi. His lines on Graceland are sublime. Marcus M is my #2 fave but it's his playing on albums like Miles Davis' Tutu and Winelight by Grover Washington jnr I like.

is he 12?

3 hours ago, Linus27 said:

Meatloaf.

Blur

Royal Blood

The Kaiser Chiefs

The White Stripes

Artic Monkey

The Strokes

But which songs? I'm guessing , respectively they are

Bat out of hell

Country house

Little monster

I predict a riot

7 nation army

I bet you look good on the dance floor

Someday

In which case I agree with you. Then again I'd agree viz whichever songs they are