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If you want to avoid issues like RSI, tendinitis/tennis elbow etc then getting this right is important. Whilst people are different, the general guidance is having it further south to join the cool kids is not a good idea. Advice I received from tutors when starting out was it should be in the same place whether standing or sitting. As a cellist I can tell you getting posture, fingering, and bow grip wrong can give you serious problems    

First 'gig' of the year was in fact a string orchestra workshop day on the Wirral. There were over 50 in attendance - I was one of a dozen cellos. There were a couple of DB as well. 

Main work for the day was Ireland's Downland Suite, which is a 'classic' piece of English string music. The middle two movements are the best known - Elegy and Minuet - but we played all four. It's also known as a brass band work - Ireland arranged it for both. 

Ugh. I used to know a narcissistic control freak like that. He liked to play people off against each other. He got away with it for years because people didn't talk to each other. Then one day they did... He didn't last long after that. Unfortunately these people exist. 

4 minutes ago, Steve Browning said:

I detest the horrible vibrato that musical theatre folk apply to other types of music. 

I dislike big vibrato, especially that archetypal late C19th grand opera soprano type which feels like it covers a minor third... It was introduced as a means of cutting through and being heard against a big orchestra.

Music theatre is a particular and distinctive style of singing, which works with some music and not with others. The style needs to be appropriate, and it often isn't.   

I'm a trained singer - but classical - I have 30+ years experience mostly singing as a baritone, but I've been workign with a teacher to sing tenor (there's a long story there but I'll leave it for another post). 

What many people (including singers) don't realise or understand is that there are different styles of singing and the techniques required are different. Not only that, but no one voice can sing all styles. There's a huge difference to being a choral singer to being a soloist. There's a difference between singing German lieder, singing opera, or singing musical theatre. It's a different style to be a Rat Pack crooner, a folk singer, or singing hard rock.

If this person wants to sing rock/pop then they need to realise that it's a different style, requires different techniques and you can't just "have a go" and expect it to work. 

Even within one 'genre' there are variations. If I sing renaissance a cappella polyphony, it's a very different style to singing big C19th choral work with a large orchestra. 

Some more self awareness would help... suggestion about needing to work on 'style' with a teacher is probably a good route - but you need to find the right teacher...

Vaughan Williams - symphony #5

Testing the new hi-fi with the classic recording of Mahler 4 with George Szell and the Cleveland Orchestra from the 1960s. I have it on both vinyl and CD.  

Welcome. They haven't invented a word yet to describe my bass playing... good job I mostly play cello

Last night was my first concert since moving to the Lake District - played in Carlisle. It was also my first 'proper' concert with paying audience since 2019. Nothing happened in 2020 or 2021 and once stuff properly restarted the orchestra I was left with doesn't do formal concerts. 

It was nuts day as I had an all day choir rehearsal from 10.00 until 15.30 for a concert next year. Dashed home, changed into concert togs and out for 17.00. Quick top and tail run through at 18.15 then concert 19.30 until 21.30.

Programme was von Suppé 'Poet & Peasant' overture, Bruch violin concerto #2, and Dvorak Symphony #9 (yes, the Hovis advert one). The Dvorak is a serious workout.  

I ought to be able to make this

In '69 I'd have been 9. By the time I was 13, my hobby/interest was astronomy and my musical interest was classical... Fifty years later and my hobby list still includes astronomy, but a lot of others as well such as photography, bookbinding etc., and my main musical interest is still classical (but I do include other genres these days) and I play cello in an orchestra etc. 

7 hours ago, Newfoundfreedom said:

 

I don't even know what 15/- means.

 

But in that case, that particular weekend I would have been busy not yet existing. 

It's 15 shillings = 75p

Given price is 15/- has to be pre-1971

In the sax world, they sell own branded entry level instruments. Issue is that where they are made depends on who's giving them the best deal at the moment. This leads to variation in quality: some are really good and some decidedly less so, but a lot of people like them (but accept the constraints of the price point).  

My mum was an Elvis fan, and classic musicals. I never really knew what my dad liked (I discovered later it was jazz, but we never had that discussion when he was alive). If the radio was on, it would be the Light Programme, until that was split into Radios 1 & 2, and it was Radio 2. Radio 2 used to have the odd classical music programme, which is how my interest started and by age 10 I started listening to Radio 3 at times.  

As someone who sings bass in choirs, and plays various instruments as well as bass (sax, cello, piano, viol...) it is very important to avoid bad habits setting in and at the very outset a decent teacher will save you a lot of grief later on (including issues like tendinitis and RSI). Bass/guitar teachers are a lot less expensive than orchestral instrument teacher in my experience - you might only want one or two, or you may wish to have them regularly.

Perhaps I'm weird, but I strongly advocate getting to grips with reading notation. The basics are not difficult. Yes, fluency takes time, but once there it makes playing unknown stuff much easier to get to grips with. 

12 hours ago, NickA said:

"my viol bows"

 

wow!  To have one viol bow is quite something; several is impressive.

 

if you're into early music.. wonder if you know how to move on a da gamba ( plus bow) and a baroque cello bow.  I have all those looking for new homes.

 

Sorry, topic drift. 

Until recently I had a bass and tenor viola da gamba, but someone was looking for a bass, so I sold it with its bow, so now just the tenor.  

Selling options usually reduce to advertising through your regional early music forum, the Viola da Gamba Society, or the Early Music Shop. It can help if there is a viol teacher in the area.  

I've used Marc Soubeyran for rehairing my viol bows, but I was able to visit him in Ludlow when I lived in Shropshire. I've also used Julian Batey in Shrewsbury for cello bow several times (I realise not convenient for OP). Cello bow rehair jobs seem to vary between about £40 to £80 

With any specialist hobby there are always newcomers. I'm in various online groups for various hobbies/interests including music, bass, photography, astronomy, hill walking, and bookbinding...

If you're new to something and you've not been through the gamut of standard/common questions and queries, you're inevitably going to repeat what others hae asked before. FB is particularly bad since its search functions are limited and poor. 

Of all the hobby/interest related ones, the ones that I get most exasperated with are the photography ones. This arises from a lot of people getting a snazzy camera and not appreciating that it's not a 'point and shoot' device if you want to get the best out of it.

The irritating ones for me are the local ones with the "when does Sainsbury's open" which can be more quickly answered by an online search for Sainsbury's... 

It's not worth getting overly excited over - I just scroll past the ones that don't interest me. 

Most specialist violin shops/luthiers will sell for you on commission basis - will be a hefty slug e.g. 25% - but might take a while. They might buy off you. 

Well, I live on my own, don't have a partner... so the main option is to talk to myself... I don't usually get into an argument.

I do have friends that are interested in music (even my eclectic interests) and one who is a serious (major venue) sound engineer who used to be a bass session player. 

My guess is someone didn't properly test the change... 

1 hour ago, NickA said:

 

... Good article here saying what's involved; I think the bridge on my sub £10k cello got as far as the start of the section called "carving" then stopped .. which is fine by me.  I don't need pretty.

 

https://indd.adobe.com/view/7cba0480-f04f-480c-87fd-68e2ac7bee1e#new_tab

My cello is around the £8k mark.

My cello teacher is not a fan of the Tortelier spike. I think Tortelier was very tall? I think some of the argument for them was the weighting of the bow as a result of the angle, but it must have played havoc with your left hand. Definitely a fad. 

Sorry to hear that. I have Larsons on the A & D and Spirocore Tungsten on the G & C.