Jaybeevee

There's nowt stranger than folk...

There were a few minor changes to the Pups and pre amp in the early years. Here's some detail for those that are interested..

https://www.musicmanbass.global/sr4-pups-and-preamps-pre-eb-eb-part-1/

On 04/07/2023 at 18:13, CHRISDABASS said:

Hey folks!

 

I thought this wild looking thing would interest some of you! 
 

it’s a 1979 Ray in a very aged and rare Inca silver. Apparently there were less than 200 of these made (some say 153) out of 25,000 pre Ernie  Ball basses!  so i feel pretty lucky to have snagged one! 
 

I’d love to know your opinion on Mojo vs case queens! What’s your preference??

 

 

Have to say, the more i look at this, the more of a crush i'm getting.. a real find this one. 

14 hours ago, Piers_Williamson said:

since we are getting into show and tell territory.....

This one form Feb 1980, so a bit younger.  It looks like a batch of lefties were made around then....this is my second...

 

 

 

 

Yeah, beautiful in a burst finish

A beautiful rare bass. nice one, it looks absolutely killer. My 77 is one of the factory rejects.. Black over Inca Silver. In direct sunlight it looks bottle green. It quickly became my number 1. Great neck.

I love the mojo of yours, but a clean one would also be lovely. 

How about a Human base RoxyB5.. If i'm not mistaken, i remember reading a positive comment from you wrt a classified add for one on here a while ago.

I can't get them out the back of my mind... I never owned a 5er, but keep thinking i might, and that is the one i'd go for.... unless i could land a Stingray 5.

Cracking review by Ed Friedland.

5 minutes ago, Owen said:

And there is the end of the thread. You spend on messing with the Mesa cab and then you will remember that the TKS 1126 is awesome. Sell the Mesa and buy another TKS 1126. Job done.

Almost. In Norway, band generally have a rented rehearsal space with their own gear, and so more with than one band it's useful to have more than one rig. The M6 is a recent purchase to support a new project. The TKS cabs I use with my Thunderfunk. The Mesa cab came to me cheap (and I have another 15 in a TL606 cab which I´ve had for years) and is why I´m at this point now. The M6 as it turns out and no surprise I guess is freakin fantastic and may well end up on top of the TKSs, but either way I need to upgrade the mesa and other 15 cab or move then on, and find me something more suitable. A nice luxury problem.

Some great wisdom, guidance and opinions in this thread. I appreciate, but some are a bit above my pay grade..

@balcro To be clear, it's an upgrade to the Mesa cab I am considering. just looking at volumes of the TL drawing you pasted, and a quick calc from the mesa cab dimensions. The TL drawing states 3.2 cu ft which google calculates a to be 90 litres. The Mesa cab Is coming in at 4,5 cu ft which is 127 litres?

A few TB users seem to feel the Kappalite 3015 is a good match, but how to interpret driver specs and consider cab dimensions and baffle design to enable selection of a suitable driver is beyond me.

I played the amp (M6 carbine) through my TKS 1126s and it is awesome.... which confirmed the need to change the driver or move on the Mesa cab. As legendary as it is, I miss the lows (or I am not used to the voicing of the mids). 

2 hours ago, stevie said:

What's the volume? You can test the cab's tuning frequency using the rice-on-the-cone method and a downloadable frequency generator. I did post a link but the forum didn't like it. Do a Google search for loudspeaker rice grain test. Here's an online tone generator: https://www.szynalski.com/tone-generator/

Super thanks..

 According to TB...

Box Resonance Frequency:
Normal: 55Hz
Step down: 40Hz

and a volume of 4,6 Cu ft

31 minutes ago, Bill Fitzmaurice said:

It's more likely to have a 15B.

It's a 15L in my cab. Ribbed cone as apposed to smooth.

24 minutes ago, stevie said:

The answer to the question is, yes, you could upgrade your cab using a modern driver and achieve a worthwhile performance boost. As good as the EV driver was in its day, it's only rated at 200W and has a relatively modest xmax. You'll need to find out a bit more about the cabinet, however, such as its internal volume and tuning frequency, so that you're not working in the dark and can select the optimum replacement.

Hei, thanks for this, I have the volume and I see the cab is based on a TL606, but struggle to find the tuning frequency for this cab. And even after that, I actually don't know how to match the drivers. Any tips on that?... this is probably a technical deep dive...

3 hours ago, Chimike said:

Maybe give your ears time to adjust to the cab, maybe it has more mids than you are used to, not less bass !

 

I think this is the issue actually, and all the more noticeable at high volumes. Sounds lovely at lower volumes, and like a hammer at high volumes, but just not used to it and miss thickness of the bottom end. If I could get my hands on a diesel 2x10 or similar, I´d like to try that in combination, even though there are folk who disagree about mixing drivers. 

7 minutes ago, Shaggy said:

Have you looked at the driver to check it is the original EV15L?

Ah.. I haven't actually.. that I must do.. cheers

10 minutes ago, Bill Fitzmaurice said:

Low end response is 1/3 driver, 2/3 enclosure. If the enclosure won't support deep bottom no driver will give it. BTW, the Kappalite 3015 response isn't much different from the 15B. The 15L is weaker in the lows, being optimized for guitar.

Thanks Bill, the 1/3 2/3 is a big number. I know I said there are a few folk saying the drivers I mentioned worked well, but they are of course opinions, and the drivers are also bloody expensive. I should be more sure of the specs I guess before I start ´experimenting´. just the type of advise I was hoping for.

2 minutes ago, Downunderwonder said:

Probably not going to excite much past the first outing. Even if you tweak the port to optimise extra lows all you can hope for is a heavier not as loud notsowundercab.

Thanks, yeah, likely good advice. 

7 minutes ago, Beedster said:

I have the Diesel 2x10 and it certainly doesn’t lack bass, surprised you find the 15 does?

Yep, in my chat group threads search I´ve read this a few times, but the 15 certainly lacks the deep lows I get from my current (and previous 12s). I´m guessing around 80Hz and up is what It delivers.. Thou I´ll likely be corrected about this.  But goodness its loud..

6 minutes ago, Downunderwonder said:

I seem to recall something about blocking out half the shelf port at the same time.

yeah I read about that, to do with tuning the cab from 55Hz to 40Hz. I was thinking to test it with the standard drivers.

The last one here sold cheaper than that I think?

So I took a punt on an early Mesa 115 Diesel having read about the mid range prowess of the EVM 15L and B woofers. I remember them back in the day, but could never afford one and knew no one who could. And so the enthusiast in me decided why not. Got it cheap, so picked it up. 

It works great, is as loud as anything and has all the lower mid range grunt I read about. Trouble is, I miss the deep bottom of everything I´ve owned in the past 10 years. Anywho, I´m wondering if simply changing the driver for a modern 15 into the mesa enclosure will do the trick. I fancy a dabble with 15s and so having the Mesa cab and another non-descript TL606 design cab I´m thinking new drivers will do the trick. Any thoughts.

just so it's said, I know there is a world of science behind enclosure design, build quality, ports etc, but having read some on this, it seems accepted by more than a few that Kappalite 3015 & or Faital pro PR400 woofers work with Mesa Diesel cabs. I´m a layman and looking to plug n play, so I´m not really looking for more technical awareness.. Just anyone with experience. Should I go down the upgrading route, or just buy used cab(s) designed and manufactured and with a known track record..

any thoughts?

No complaints here, Paul is defo one of the good guys. Very friendly and welcoming and trusting. A please to do a deal with Paul.. and the M6 Carbine is killer, so all happy here

On 06/03/2023 at 17:15, Bill Fitzmaurice said:

The Rumble 200 plus extension would be louder. It's not about watts, it's about decibels.

Hi Bill, any chance you can flesh out this a little please. How does one maximise the decibels via cab selection/utilisation?

Just now, Steve A said:

I had a quick play of this the other day while sorting out the sale post for my friend, and was surprised by how huge it sounded. A very powerful pickup, tight, full and loud. 

Same pick up as the USA bases if i'm not mistaken..

Goodness, some nice basses on here for reasonable money. This is killer GLWT

I have no experience with these Tribute series basses... but i bet this is loads of bass for the money. looks great. 

have you checked out Ian Allison on YouTube, he does some good walk throughs on this. 
But I will add I achieve what you're describing with the MXR.. word of warning though, It can be a bit tricky to dial in. It seems each of the controls affects the other, so you can end up chasing yourself around a little. But once set, it responds really well to your playing. You can get really good swell decay control from your plucking/picking hand. It's a bit sensitive to basses too, one setting doesn't fit all.