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    Roger Waters........

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    39 minutes ago, Woodinblack said:

    How can a genesis track, especially from Wind and Wuthering be overrated when 99% of people have never heard of it :D

     

    Compared to what? I was listening to Ummagumma and Piper at the Gates of Dawn yesterday. You can say the same about the wall and dark side!

    In fact, if you take out from dark side to the final cut - it seems like quite a clear progression

    Compared to stuff with spirit, lyrics that rhyme and without contributions from the boss's wife. 

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    The album after major commercial success

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    9 minutes ago, SimonEdward said:

    Level 42: World Machine (1985) - 2× Platinum; Running In The Family (1987) - 2× Platinum; Staring At The Sun (1988) - Gold.

    All three very different sounding albums - commercially succesful. All within the space of three years.. and a considerable change in line up.

    Three very good albums, but for me World Machine is the one where Level 42 went stratospheric. 

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    Roger Waters........

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    21 minutes ago, wateroftyne said:

    Yep, it should have been on, and Tony’s electric piano ramble should have been cut from Yout Own Special Way. It’s a great song otherwise (although it works on the live version with the string section)

    Never thought of it that way but it's a good point. 

    The album after major commercial success

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    2 hours ago, PaulWarning said:

    trouble is a band has years to come up with the debut, or successful album then it's a case of "where's the next one' they're either rushed or an inferior copy of the first one, the Ramones aside very few bands can pull that off, the Stranglers for instance recorded enough tracks for nearly 2 albums, released the best tracks on the first one added a couple of good ones to the second and released No More Heroes

    We've been here before Mr Warning, all Ramones is $h1te. 

    The album after major commercial success

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    6 hours ago, Mykesbass said:

    Terence Trent D'arby: Introducing the Hardline by TTD -> Neither Fish nor Flesh (although the 'good album' caveat is very much up for debate on this one)!

    Neither Fish Nor Flesh - massively successful first album pop star rebels against the music industry. Stupid twunt. 

    Roger Waters........

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    4 hours ago, wateroftyne said:

    Nursery Cryme is the first Genesis album I heard. Wind and Wuthering is the best.

    Fly By Night was the first Rush album I heard. Permanent Waves is the best.

    My beef with Wind and Wuthering is that Your Own Special Way got included and Inside and Out didn't. 

    Roger Waters........

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    37 minutes ago, 4000 said:

    I said it wasn’t a hard and fast rule. 😉 I’ve always been somewhat ambivalent about W&W. I like it, but I don’t really love it, in Genesis terms at least. There’s nothing on it - apart from the stunning Afterglow, obviously - that really grabs me. Whereas Nursery Cryme has The Musical Box, which I really, really do love. That’s probably my second favourite Genesis track, along with maybe The Cinema Show.

    You know, I have no recollection of the first Rush album I heard. The first time I ever heard them was a live set from the Hemispheres tour on the Friday Rock Show (I still have the tape); I guess the first album would probably have been Hemispheres or 2112. My favourite Rush album would be a toss up between A Farewell To Kings and Moving Pictures. 

    Nothing on Wind and Wuthering?! I don't think you like Genesis much. 

    Roger Waters........

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    2 hours ago, 4000 said:

    Although it’s not a hard and fast rule, I often think that the first album you hear by a band is the one that sticks with you, although regardless, I still think WYWH is the best. But the first Camel album I heard was Moonmadness, which I also happen to think is easily their best, and I’m in the minority whose favourite Genesis studio album may be And Then There Were Three, which again was the first one I heard. 

    I know it’s considered blasphemy, but I always thought Dark Side was hugely overrated, although I’m aware of its importance in the story of PF. I find it a bit claustrophobic, whereas WYWH is anything but. 

    And Then There Were Three, presumably with Invisible Touch a close 2nd?

    Roger Waters........

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    1 hour ago, 4000 said:

    Nope, not at all mistaken. I heard WYWH first and it blew my mind, completely changed my life. Dark Side was something of a disappointment after that. In fact DS is not even my second favourite. Not entirely sure it’s even third!😉

    Now you've got psychosis. 

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    Roger Waters........

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    7 hours ago, 4000 said:

    And don't forget that Wish You Were Here, easily their best album IMO, was inspired by Dave’s “Syd’s theme”, and all the best tracks on that album (IMO) were written by Rick, Dave and Rog. Which is not to detract from Roger’s concept or wonderful lyrics, obviously. 😉

    Dark Side is their best album, you might think it's Wish, but you're mistaken 😁

    Roger Waters........

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    9 hours ago, wateroftyne said:

    Of course CN is a classic, but almost the entire four sides around it - musically, lyrically and conceptually - came from Roger's brain. I don't think you can blame him for not wanting to spend much time on democracy at that point.

    The same for Animals, the same for The Final Cut (which I like).

    Don't get me wrong, I'm a huge DG fan, but he just didn't seem to be writing around then (or much since, for that matter).

    Wasn't Rick put on a wage cos Roger felt he wasn't contributing creatively?

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    Roger Waters........

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    5 minutes ago, Oopsdabassist said:

    Incorrect, Guy Pratt was touring with Bryan Ferry at the time, and actually played in Berlin on the night of live 8.  Its in his book, I read it 2 days ago!!

    It was Carol Kaye in her time off from Motown reunions. 

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    Roger Waters........

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    1 hour ago, geoham said:

    Let me bring you up to speed in as few bullet points as possible!

    • After Syd Barrett left Pink Floyd, Roger Waters gradually became more dominant - being the main songwriter on their most famous albums (Dark Side of the Moon, Wish You Were Here, The Wall). 
    • By the time of The Wall tour, keyboardist Richard Wright had been sacked from the band (apparently for too much cocaine and not enough creative input...), though was retained as a sideman for the live shows.
    • Waters' final album with Pink Floyd, The Final Cut is widely regarded as a solo album - with little creative input from Gilmour (guitar/vocals) or Mason (drums).
    • Waters then unilaterally dissolved the band - firmly believing there was no Pink Floyd without him.
    • Gilmour had other ideas, and the resulting legal battle gave ownership of the Pink Floyd to him and Mason. Wright rejoined too, officially as a hired-gun at first.
    • Pink Floyd, now led by Gilmour played huge tours with spectacular shows and recorded two more albums. (Three if you count The Endless River, which was mostly outtakes from The Division Bell)
    • Waters pursued a solo career, often upset that Pink Floyd were selling out stadiums with sets made up largely of material he had written while he had less success. (Comparatively!)
    • Pink Floyd's last tour was in 1994, and the last performance was when Waters rejoined as a one-off for Live 8 in 2005.

    Obviously I've glossed over much of this, but I think that's enough to give the general background.

    George

     

    That's a few bullet points?

    Who Do We Think We Are - the forgotten Deep Purple album

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    18 minutes ago, KevB said:

    They never saw themselves as heavy metal. Gillan famously said in a later interview 'Heavy metal makes me want to vomit'. When Purple signed to EMI they ended up on the Harvest label which tended to be set aside for their more left field artists. Even before Gillan and Glover joined they were seen as a 'progressive' group.

    I've always found it difficult to categorise Purple. On Stormbringer they were a soul band 😁

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