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[quote name='iceonaboy' timestamp='1372698197' post='2128761']
Aint this a forum, where different points of view are aired? Feck knows, Ive been slagged rotten for some of my views. I said its all down to taste. I, personally, dont like Mumford and sons. Its not down to class or ageism, I seen Arctic Monkeys and thought they were awesome! Mumford...to me...suck!



edit, I got nothing but abuse when I asked about the hate directed at Nickelback, so where is the difference here?
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At least you are airing your views mate, that's a good thing, and if they are contentious, you'll get some sh*t thrown your way, us gobsh*tes get plenty of sh*t Don't take it personally. The Arctics are really good, but they're working class aren't they? Not now of course, they are rich, living an upper class life

[quote name='RhysP' timestamp='1372692782' post='2128668']
You speak for yourself.
I've got a unbelievably sh*t badly paid menial job but I'd genuinely rather do that than play music I absolutely detest.
I'd feel the same about playing in a covers or function band too - playing just isn't that important to me that I'd do it whatever the gig.
I can't think of anything more soul destroying.
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You speak for me also. I can think of little worse than making music (something I really have a passion for) into a tiresome job.

[quote name='cloudburst' timestamp='1372616910' post='2127761']
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzmV7SXED5A[/media]

Nice tone she's getting from a .... what?

Looks like a Warwick Corvette, but the pickup spacing looks greater than any of the double buck Corvettes I've seen.

And how's she getting this tone from it? I'm rubbish at identifying tone; does it sound like there's anything else in her signal chain?

What other basses do you reckon would get closest to this?

CB
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With the right strings, compression, messing around with parametric eq, playing hard by the bridge, having a bit of nail attack, most basses will do it. Just get a POD man, you can get most sounds you can dream of with one of them. I had comments on my Corvette $$ that it sounded more like a R*********** than a R***********. It was just me using a POD trying to get a Chris Squire tone, and it was coming out my little studio monitors and recorded on a little digi camera. I've done the same with a home build, a Streamer and now my Jazz, passive and active.

[quote name='Truckstop' timestamp='1372696351' post='2128734']
It depends. Sometimes I focus on the lyrics and sometimes the music hits me harder. Been listening to lots of Johnny Cash recently; this one's a good'un. Long Black Veil:

Ten years ago on a cold dark night
Someone was killed 'neath the town hall lights
There were few at the scene, but they all agreed
That the slayer who ran, looked a lot like me

Now she walks these hills, in a long black veil
She visits my grave, when the night winds wail
Nobody knows, nobody sees
Nobody knows, but me

The scaffold is high, and eternity's near
She stood in the crowd, and shed not a tear
But some times at night, when the cold wind moans
In a long black veil, she cries over my bones

Now she walks these hills, in a long black veil
She visits my grave, when the night winds wail
Nobody knows, nobody sees
Nobody knows, but me

The judge said son, what is your alibi
If you were somewhere else, then you won't have to die
I spoke not a word, though it meant my life
I'd been in the arms of my best friends wife

Truckstop
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I can imagine Dizzee doing that one!

[quote name='iceonaboy' timestamp='1372691421' post='2128647']
I realise now you were using those as examples of lyrical dross but you've now spoilt my sarcastic reply
I still stand by my original thought that most pop lyrics are rotten and a mix of ooh baby, I love you, are you gonna get with me tonight? etc. You know what I mean. obviously , there will be a couple of exemptions, but c'mon, realistically
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I like Single Ladies, I think it's a very clever bumper sticker lyric. You're not going to tell me Elvis Costello's lyrics are pop pap are you? I think you believe pop to be something it isn't, and likewise maybe you believe rock and prog are paragons of lyrical excellence when in fact so much of it is pretty poor fanciful gibberish, however cleverly constructed it might be.

[quote name='iceonaboy' timestamp='1372690609' post='2128622']


Sorry mate, I totally forgot about the lyrical giants that were " single ladies" and "aga doo". How could I have been so minded, absent thought?
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You have not understood my post.

You sound bitter. Could Kraftwerk sit you down and play you a number? I partially accept your second point.

[quote name='iceonaboy' timestamp='1372689980' post='2128608']
I think Ive realised that, I dont notice lyrics that much , but they are quite important , because when you hear sh*t lyrics, you are immediately turned off a song. I mean most pop sh*te, has meaningless lyrics that are there just to rhyme , where as Neil Pearts lyrics are always telling a story, so I suppose , yes, they are important to me, just not the most important at first listen
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Pop lyrics are usually pretty clever, they have to be or no-one will buy the record. Single Ladies, Aga Doo, Who let the dogs out, etc. Designed fo effect. Neil's lyrics telling a story? Well I guess so, but are they good stories? Some are, some aren't, Nobody's Hero is risible, just like By Tor, Subdivisions is decent, but most of them are not on my top lyric list by any means, and Rush are pretty much my favourite band.

[quote name='Dingus' timestamp='1372688410' post='2128574']
I love Bobby Womack as a songwriter and artist in his own right and have done for many years , but I'm not sure that he's really best suited to being a festival act , or indeed that his greatest strength is playing live at all . His real talents are as a singer , guitarist and writer . He is a thoughtful man with great depth of feeling in his music and it doesn't neccesarilly follow that his live performances will be equally as enthralling as his recorded work , just like any act . If you were going to see Bobby Womack live much better in a more intimate setting , I expect

[b]As for The XX , like so many bands nowadays , it's all external drama and posturing with no real content to the music , either intellectual or emotional . Everything is melodrama and image , but there is nothing of any real substance behind it except misty - eyed narcissism .[/b]
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Certainly not how they've come across in interviews, and their lyrics are interesting and a lot of people seem to understand them. I think it's very easy to ascribe these attributes to bands without knowing their background, and in the next breath, the Beatles were genuises and we seem to forget their highly narcissistic image and poppy little ditties like Love Me Do. I wish we still had a music culture and and industry that supported artistic DEVELOPMENT.

[quote name='lojo' timestamp='1372687962' post='2128566']
What thats quote about shouting "Jeremy" at a levellers concert, from that insult list that was posted, think it could apply here also, middle class uni folk music ?

I could be completely wrong, and there is a place for everything, and Mumfords have very successfully found thiers, so yes, fair play .
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Christ, there's been a lot of digs at middle class espresso drinkers going on, hasn't there. But then no-one dares to slag off bands because they are working class (I hate this f***ing CLASS sh*t). Most blues bands are middle class urbanites, so what. And true culturally representative music usually gets a good pasting on here too, hip hop, rap .. What's the deal?

[quote name='Damonjames' timestamp='1372687287' post='2128548']
For me Definately, unless they are meant to be a bit goofy, the lyrics for me need to tell a story. I love metal, but I have turned away from many metal bands as more often than not the lyrics let the side down. I have spent hours looking at stuff on soundcloud for bands looking for a new bass player, I have only responded to two, while the others had some good sounds musically, the lyrics just sounded amateurish and not particularly well thought through.
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I love heavy music but I agree with you, Deftones are one of the few heavy bands I can listen to, because of Chinos lyrics, and the way he sings them.

[quote name='Ian Savage' timestamp='1372686677' post='2128535']
Usually, yes. It's what makes me love a large proportion of the music that I love (Springsteen, Gaslight Anthem, Counting Crows etc al particularly jump to mind) as opposed to just 'liking' it. The line in Bobbie Jean about calling up 'not to change your mind, but just to say I miss you baby; good luck, goodbye' makes my chest tighten just typing it.

Yes, I'm a wuss. And yes, I know it's written about a man
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That's a beautiful line!

[quote name='TimR' timestamp='1372686238' post='2128525']
Lots of studies have been done on this.

In general, and this will be no surprise to most people:
Women listen to the words.
Men listen to the music.
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[quote name='Dad3353' timestamp='1372685910' post='2128513']
Each individual piece has it's own criteria. Schubert's symphonies don't need lyrics, imo. Fairport's 'Who knows where the time goes..?' could be recited, it would still be tops (although Sandy Denny sings it beyond perfection...). Grateful Dead..? Some need lyrics ('China Doll'..?), some don't, or less ('Dark Star'..?).
I don't think there's much of a common denominator in there, whatever the outfit. Weather Report with singing..? Beatles instrumentals..? All are possible variants. Why the question..? What are you trying to elucidate, or is it a 'simply curious' thought that struck..?
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Just wondering, really. I have been reading the Glasto threads and thinking, are they listening to the lyrics? Especially since most blokes I know don't really give a f*** about the lyrics, which means beautiful lyrics with odd music usually means they think the band are crap I love good lyric writing, it's really important to me that lyrics are thought provoking or a reflection of personality, or whatever. I love it when emphasis on syllables is changed through rhythm too, it can imbue the music with so much colour. Chino from Deftones is great at that. I duno, I just find lyrics important.

TimR - I'm not surprised most women listen to lyrics moreso than most men. Also, apparently, women are likely to ask where you're from, unlike men who tend to ask what you do.

Great result, and the top three are in the order I had them in my mind, I enjoyed all the entries, superb stuff!

I love the new pic for July! Tunbridge Wells at night is very pretty.

And do they make a difference to how you perceive the band/music/song etc?

Are song lyrics important to you? Can they make or break a song (or even a band) for you?

Or is it the music and voice that are more important to you, and what they are singing isn't particularly important?

Would you care if The Clash sang about unrequited love rather than politics? etc, you get my drift.

[quote name='flyfisher' timestamp='1372668541' post='2128211']


Seems a bit strange, if not downright prejudiced, to like or dislike music on the basis of who happens to be playing it.

I can understand people not liking the musical output of a particular band but I can't understand the apparent need to then deny the clear evidence that lots of other people clearly do or question their sanity for doing so.

I don't particularly like them either - but so what?
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Exactly. I don't dig Mumford either, but then I can't stand the Stones and they did similar to Mumford by taking a type of folk and making it commercial in the mainstream by wearing funny clothes and sh*t. And please, let's not start having a pop at people who drink espresso in Wimbledon, who happen to be Charlie Brooker's kind of audience. As for Mark E Twat ..

Everyone has their own criteria for judging music. I didn't catch The XX but what I've heard in the past I quite liked. The most annoying act for me was Maverick Sabre, I found myself becoming angry and turned the c*** off.

I find lyrics are important to understand a band, but how many people listen to lyrics? Not that many I suspect.

Bleeding Ada. I was just trying to get people to listen to other members' music and vote for their favourites. Not coerce people into recording their own. This thread was meant to be lighthearted but maybe I didn't make that clear enough. So if you're not interested in other members' music, f*** it, it doesn't matter.

Nice one Geoff! It looks brilliant. I'm not a fan of most jazz I've heard, but since I've just started taking theory lessons after many years of playing, I'm going to have your app so I can practice the theory I'm learning against chord changes, particularly walking bass, I can see it being incredibly useful, thank you!

.. unless you listen to, and encourage your fellow musicians, by listening to their compositions and voting in the Basschat monthly composition challenge. It was started in October last year by Charic, and the music is fascinating, a unique insight into the minds of your fellow members. We are here because of music, music needs to survive, musicians need your support in order to help music to survive. Music is the best.

Listen and vote here http://basschat.co.uk/topic/210888-june-composition-competition-voting-time/

And apologies and respect to 'dad' who posted an awesome thread about this challenge

I'm off to see some naked female bassists

[quote name='fumps' timestamp='1372245511' post='2123254']
***Drops shoulders***

Aww bloody twice

[/quote]awesome!!

Thank fellas

It looks better in the flesh than in that pic. Horrid is getting started on my Jazz PG in a week, I'm excited It's great fun pimping a Fender. That's what I like about them!

[quote name='SpaceChick' timestamp='1372236538' post='2123108']
thanks Doug

I am honestly amazed that three people have voted for my composition

Thankyou whoever you all are


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Chick, you should be very proud of your composition, it's got so much personality, and I would have voted for it too had I not been utterly floored by Skol/urb's collaboration

[quote name='RhysP' timestamp='1372244748' post='2123235']
I'd already voted before you put this thread up - quite frankly I feel cheated.

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They have an album out 'Not the Weapon But The Hand' and in addition to playing that, they will be doing some Porcupine Tree and Marillion numbers apparently.

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