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[quote name='bigjohn' post='735264' date='Feb 4 2010, 05:06 PM']Ah, but your ears would notice the sound, whilst your eyes could feast on the graphs [/quote] That's the problem these days, no large format beautiful album covers to get stuck into while listening to the record. One must be satisfied with the spectral analysis charts

[quote name='Sibob' post='735249' date='Feb 4 2010, 04:54 PM']For me it's actually less about a problem with digital vs analogue. They're both a head on top of a cab, and again, 'better' is subjective. My main issues are with extreme EQ'ing through necessity and loadsa pedals just to get a basic workable tone. Si[/quote] Understood, but what if you need three very different tones for one song, live? That's the sort of thing you may do in the studio all the time, but live? At one point last year I had up to five patches per song per set, with different eqs and effects. One bass all the way through, with onboard eq/pup tweaks too. There is nothing at all wrong with extreme eq. Bootsy doesn't seem to think so anyway.

[quote name='bigjohn' post='735252' date='Feb 4 2010, 04:55 PM']That doesn't bear up when you see the spectrum analysis though.[/quote] You can show that spectrum analysis to my ears and see if [u]they[/u] notice

[quote name='bigjohn' post='735233' date='Feb 4 2010, 04:44 PM']Ha ha, well. yes. I am. no. No I'm not. My "Hi-Fi" cost about £220 from Richers in about 1989. I added a CD player for a further £80 in about 1997. However, if you hear a CD through a really good valve Hi-Fi, you can tell the difference immediately. Even if you A/B it with other really good SS audiophile amps. They're much easier to listen to at higher volumes (too much volume for my semi-detached )[/quote] Cool! I'll stick my POD into a valve HiFi power amp and it will sound even better! Seriously though, you are talking about a whole band sound here with a full frequency range. I defy pretty much anyone to tell the difference between a digital valve amp model and a real valve amp with a guitar or bass through it. In fact, it's been demonstrated, even on BC, that many people were saying the digital models sounded more appealing than their valve amp counterparts.

[quote name='Sibob' post='735223' date='Feb 4 2010, 04:35 PM']Well of course there are basses with crap tone......because these things are completely subjective. I may hate someones Ibanez Ergodyne bass (eeeuugugghghhh shudder), and someone might hate my Jazz's tone. Si[/quote] OK, I agree with the Ibanez, but that's crap taste, not crap tone

[quote name='bigjohn' post='735209' date='Feb 4 2010, 04:26 PM']Deffo. What I was saying about hifi though... if ever you get the chance to speak to people who design really high end hifi (not the hifi know nothing buffs ) they'll not hear of digital coming close to valves. You'd need a supercomputer to process the response of a valve and it's audible on both subjective (aural) and objective (measurable) levels. Even if you needed the flexibilty of digital effects on your front end, ideally you'd be using a plain vanilla valve power amp. We've only got used to the other way around (valve preamps and SS power) because that way around is lighter.[/quote] Given your stance on digital, you can't tell me you are getting value for money from your five grand HiFi when the album was recorded into a computer, mixed on a computer and mastered on a computer, then transferred to your CD which you play on your CD player which decodedes a digital signal into five grand's worth of analogue? Are you mad, sir?

[quote name='Earbrass' post='735203' date='Feb 4 2010, 04:22 PM']Truer than a true thing on National Truth day. Just say no to GAS - it's addictive and it doesn't get you anywhere - just a temporary high, then you're back wanting your next fix.[/quote] And that's my point, I have enormous amounts of GAS! I can't stop it. I want a Dingwall now they're affordable, just because those fan frets are a delight to play because of the even string tension, but mostly because they are the coolest looking frets in the world! After I get that, I'll want a vintage Jazz, or a custom Warwick, or a ZON, or a Status Streamline ...

[quote name='Marvin' post='735201' date='Feb 4 2010, 04:19 PM']You are then sir, a tonal slut. [/quote] Yip, I'm a right tone-slag. Any decent tone that winks at me, I will do something filthy with it.

[quote name='jimijimmi' post='735176' date='Feb 4 2010, 03:57 PM']everyone's ears are different... so aslong as YOU are happy with YOUR TONE and YOUR bass,thats all that matters![/quote] It's an interesting point, in fact I was just having a quick ciggie thinking about exactly that before I read your post. I sort of came to the conclusion that my choice of rolling tobacco and papers is much more important to me than my choice of bass and amplification. I personally think Jaco's sound was sh*t, and most of Geddy's sound was too, until fairly recently and on Signals. I love most of Chris Squire's sounds, along with Vivian Weathers', Scott Thunes', Aston Barrett's, Chi Dai Cheng's .. I can approximate all of them on the POD and I very much doubt you would know the difference unless you A/Bed them soloed. I have absolutely no tonal identity.

[quote name='SteveK' post='735145' date='Feb 4 2010, 03:36 PM']However, we are artists, and artists are sensitive, delicate flowers, and as such have to feel totally happy with every micro nuance of our sound, otherwise [size=2][b]we cant fu**in' perform...[/b][/size] ...can we?[/quote] That, in essence, is the core tone of my point It is media and manufacturer bullshit and player insecurity, mostly, that dictates buying habits. It creates a sustainable industry. You might think your set up is perfect but if you read enough magazines and reviews and get on the forums someone at some point will change your mind and you'll have to try something out.

[quote name='thisnameistaken' post='735098' date='Feb 4 2010, 02:48 PM']Imagine saying to the sound guy in some pub somewhere that you can't hear the inherent brightness and bite of your bespoke bass's AAAAA maple top in his mix. [/quote]

[quote name='bigjohn' post='735134' date='Feb 4 2010, 03:25 PM']A Pixie Lott CD is "usable" through a hi-fi though.[/quote] Point taken.

[quote name='bigjohn' post='735114' date='Feb 4 2010, 03:10 PM']£4,375 is a bit cheapskate Having a bass with a crap tone at one end of your chain is the same thing as Pixie Lott innit? Or are you saying that whatever tone you have in the first place is lost as you effect it... so what's the point of it in the first place?[/quote] Not many basses have a "crap" tone though do they? Unless you use a Satellite or something, the bass tone is going to be usable.

[quote name='Sibob' post='735100' date='Feb 4 2010, 02:51 PM']It would seem a shame to me that I couldn't get 'my sound' or certainly a sound that I was happy with unless I was sat in front of a digital amp, EQ pointing in all directions and a load of pedals at my feet. I would much prefer to have a bass that gave me a tone that pleased me whilst plugged into any amp, EQ flat and no effects. Then any extra sounds and tools I needed could be added appropriately. But needing many pedals, masses of EQ etc just to sound like a particular bass seems like there's a lot more to go wrong in your rig than there is in mine Si[/quote] Is "your sound" appropriate in all situations you need it to be? Would I be able to recognise your sound?

[quote name='bigjohn' post='735093' date='Feb 4 2010, 02:47 PM']Take a look at high end hi-fi. Digital nor transistors have yet not caught up with wires magnets and valves at sounding good. That's just the way it is.[/quote] But if they are reproducing a Pixie Lott CD and the associated appalling mastering, or Vapour Trails by RUSH for that matter, I'm going to be really pissed off I spent £4,375 for my HiFi.

[quote name='tombboy' post='735089' date='Feb 4 2010, 02:43 PM']'Modelling' amps are great in the studio but IMO they just don't cut it live.[/quote] Why don't they cut it live? What do you mean by that? The FOH speakers, desk and engineer are your interface to the public, not your amp and cab, or modelling application. So what's the difference?

[quote name='Low End Bee' post='735034' date='Feb 4 2010, 01:48 PM']I'm sort of with you. The ergonomics of the Precision I really get along with. It feels like a comfy pair of slippers. Plus I like the look. If the unamplified sound is good it is far easier to get an amplified sound I'm happier with. I do just like one core sound that I change once or twice with a pedal to suit the song. I actually would like to have a sound that is identifiable with me. Obviously if you're not playing bonehead music like me and need to cover a lot of bases knobs and switches are useful. I think there is an extraordinary amount of tosh spoken about 'tone'. After all it goes through magnets, cables, circuits and vibrating paper. That's why I prefer to call it sound instead of high falluting tone. Then again if you're just being naughty Silddx I have bitten....[/quote] Not being naughty I have a bunch of basses and guitars going through a POD X3 and nothing else. All I need are some active studio monitors for onstage sound reinforcement or monitoring, but normally I go DI from the POD. I can make almost any bass sound like almost any other bass. Plus there is almost nothing I can't connect to it or connect it to. So, instead of gigging a bass, a guitar, a bass pedal board, a guitar pedalboard, a bass amp and a guitar amp - I take a bass/guitar doubleneck and my POD. I can sound like any rig I want, and to change between guitar and bass all I have to do is press a switch. The possibilities are amazing! Also, of all the bassists you've heard of, how many could you say have a signature tone? Squire, Geddy, Jamerson? It's the way they play, the notes they choose, the music they play which are the true identifiers, not the tone.

I think it's a complete fallacy that the core tone of your bass is very important. I think in most cases people are deluding themselves. Of all the things - reliability, playability, comfort and looks - tone is by far the easiest to change to your liking. If that is not the case, why do we spend so much on eq and effects? I think this "TONE" nonsense is a legacy of the days when bassists had very little equipment to choose from. Why would you still limit yourself to a Fender Precision because you think it has "thump", when you could have a bass with loads more mid-gig tonal options at the flick of a switch, be more comfortable, more playable and more reliable? You can easily eq that thump in to whatever bass you are playing. Of course, you may only want one tone, but then you may only ever have one hairstyle or only eat Hawaiian pizza. I am a complete convert from the idea of needing valve amp and a Fender, Stingray, blah blah. The future is digital. Get the bass you REALLY want.

[quote name='NickH' post='734659' date='Feb 4 2010, 12:33 AM']there may be no other option but to shoot her... or just lobotomise her and hand her a guitar.[/quote] Sounds to me like she's had her lobo already. She is clearly thick as sh*t, doesn't learn from her past mistakes, augments that by trying to pull a fast one and puts everyone at risk by trying to flout the pub's policy, couldn't organise a fart in a fart factory, etc. I'd leave her and her gigs well alone.

Congratulations Linus!

I think I might have killed your thread Al Sorry

I bet Bilbo will be first on the list

[quote name='thunderbird13' post='733450' date='Feb 2 2010, 08:40 PM'] I d be up for it but do you honestly think there would be a market for it ? I'll have a chat with you about that later[/quote] Course there is! [color="#FF0000"][size=7][b]YOU LOT! Would you like to see a Hillage Tribute?[/b][/size][/color] See?

Alistair, you fancy getting a [b]Hillage [/b]tribute together? We could do the whole of Live Herald. I reckon there's a market, don't you? It would have to be the start of next year due to me being really busy this year with my non-musical education schedule, but we can learn stuff in the mean time. I can play guitar like Hillage, hell, I grew up playing Hillage numbers, but I'd have to relearn them. I can sing like Hillage and I reckon, if I get the curlers out and wear a tea cosy on me head, I can look like Hillage, I certainly have his teeth I can certainly sort out an ace drummer and probably a mini-Miquette on keys. I can swap my Squier Tele for a Steinberger. We could do a band build diary on here What d'ya reckon? I'm serious mate.