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Our singer turned up without a mic stand at one gig, and it happened to be the one gig where I was not in my own car (where my spare one always resides). Made one with a mop handle a chair and gaffer tape.  

As above: always have at least one roll!

"I think it's best to work out a business strategy and have gigs lined up before you even start a band."

Nice idea, but wouldn't work here in SE England. Every venue I approach wants to hear you, know about your Facebook/Web page, see some video etc. or at least be recommended by a band they know before they'll consider booking you . Trying to get gigs for an unknown band that doesn't exist yet would be like trying to find a unicorn in the countryside - it may well be out there, but you'll have to be especially lucky to find it.

16 minutes ago, Steve Browning said:

An ex John Entwistle 1961 Precision. The E string was completely dead no matter what I did and with any number of different strings on it.

Hopefully you won't get fooled again.

I'd love one of these: If anyone knows where there's a leftie..........don't tell me or I'll have to buy it!

Saw a multi band thingy in the back garden of The Brasenose during Cropredy festival a few years back. Spent some time  hanging out with the sound guy (I was trying to find out how you got on the bill at The Brasenose during the festival): he did really well for everyone and was clearly trying to make everyone sound good, but for the main band he had everything worked out. He'd engineered for them before, and had pre-planned motorised settings on his desk for every song, including variations in sound for choruses, solos, etc. etc. and as he knew their set  he rode the desk  and paid strict attention throughout. Apparently he worked with them at a lot of their gigs. It wasn't that the sound was bad at all for the other bands, it was just much much better for the main act (if that makes sense).

Or if you are using the headphone output stereo jack:

I assume that you have wired your patch cables like this:

Funny that this subject should come up.....no pun intended. Our harmonica player mentioned at last night's gig that one of our regular venues had a male stripper on next week, and asked if we were expected to carry on in a similar fashion at our next gig there. I  said I was up for it, but the others weren't keen. Lol.

53 minutes ago, kusee pee said:

Agreeing a band calendar is always a tricky thing and, occasionally, stuff comes up.  Over the last ten years, I think we might have had to cancel one gig.  We have a number of deps we use and, on occasion, have spent hours on the phone getting a last minute dep due to a crisis.  Find a dep drummer and try to keep the gigs, the reputation is important.

Might not help - if I read the OP's post correctly it's the guitarist who's being tricky. If that's the case an extra drummer might not be much use......lol. 😄

I sold a very nice  '75 Jazz bass to someone on here for less than I might have got elsewhere because they weren't sure that a vintage instrument was for them, on the basis that I would buy it back/have first refusal if they decided it wasn't their cup of tea. Had a message from them a few months later saying that they had decided not to keep it, and did I want it back but at a much higher price (several hundred pounds higher) "because the market has moved on since then". I had a sinking feeling when they came to collect it that this might happen, and carried on with the deal out of courtesy/honour/ethics call it what you will. Certainly bit me in the posterior. And no, I didn't buy it back.

4 hours ago, Reggaebass said:

Right for me and I’m right handed but I’m working on some Tony Grey techniques at the moment and he talks about this , because he uses the left left leg, I tried it but it feels odd 🙂

Left Left Leg? You are Jake the Peg and I claim my £25.00.

Time to start the "which flats and what tension" discussion again, methinks!

Left leg for me..........but I'm left handed! I do, however, cross my left leg over my right so that's another permutation for you.

You have discovered the true path. 

11 hours ago, DJpullchord said:

You can get great bass out of small driver. We used lab horns years ago and they only had tiny drivers. Perhaps not ideal for a pub band though.

Yep, Phil Jones does......!

1 hour ago, casapete said:

For the price of that Stagepass set up, I would recommend going for a s/h Yamaha 512SC mixer amp. 2 x 500 watts , quality FX built in and eight channels which should see you right. Usually around the £200 region, so leaves enough in your budget for a good pair of s/h speakers. Probably a 1x15 + horn type of thing by Yamaha, Peavey etc which should be enough for your requirements. . With powered (active) speakers being so fashionable now, quality passive cabs are cheap and plentiful - usual places to look show up lots (eBay, Gumtree etc).

Good suggestion. We have gigged for about 5 years with one of these mixers, and it's been great, but I don't agree about the fifteens. As I said above, who needs to mic a kick drum in a pub? We use 12's with it (Electrovoice, lovely, bought from this  site 3 years ago) to replace a pair of 15" Peavey HiSys which were just too big and heavy for pubs. We only put Vocals and Harmonica through it.  We also use a Yamaha Stagepas 400 for smaller gigs where the drummer uses a Cajon, and it's great for that but it would be a bit too small for full on gigs IMHO although we have done a gig with the 512sc and using the Stagepass speakers due to space restrictions and it was surprisingly good. One thing  would say is that the speaker leads with the Stagepassa are very thin and weedy, so I made my own proper leads as I don't think the standard ones would last long in a rough environment.

2 hours ago, Nicko said:

2 hours ago, steantval said:

8 inch speakers are small, I would be surprised if they would ever take a kick drum

That was my worry

mic'ing a kick drum in a pub would be my worry....... 

8 hours ago, tauzero said:

It's not the surface area, it's the volume. That is, the area multiplied by the cone excursion (Xmax). So a 12" with a big Xmax could be louder than a 15" with a smaller Xmax.

Any advance on volume? We'd have to go to four dimensions...

Point taken, but that's why I said that it's different for different drivers. If the drivers are all the same, ie the xmax is the same, then comparing the surface area is sufficient as the xmax cancels out on both sides of the equation (in fact xmax/3 for the volume of a cone if you want to be precise) and in fact you could, for the same reasons, leave pi out as well and just compare the r squared but I was simply trying to demonstrate that adding up the diameters is entirely the wrong calculation. And yes,  for different types of driver you do need to add response times in as well, and a whole host of other factors outside  my knowledge, but that's why Alex does what he does, and I do what I do. 

Flats on all of mine - 1999 Ash Hot Rod Precision with Roto Monels,  Warwick Star Bass with TI's, G&L L2000 (USA) with TI's too. All through a LM3 and Barefaced Compact. Treble rolled off on all of them, amp set with lows around 9 o'colck, low mids around 11 and high mids around 1. Treble around 12. I like it, and lots f people tell me I sound great. YMMV. Perhaps it's in the fingers...........

8 minutes ago, skankdelvar said:

I must confess to some apprehension when I heard that Mr Alister Jack would be replacing Mr David Mundell as Minister for Scotland. It's important that he build bridges with the Welsh Secretary Mr Alun Cairns who remains in office.

Well, Skank, I know you are well known for off the wall and often surreal postings only tangentially related to the subject of the thread but you've got me with this one......no, wait a moment, I've just got there. sorry, it's been a tough day.

11 minutes ago, dmccombe7 said:

Thanks for that Phil but that wasn't my quote you replied to so no idea what's happened there. 

I was curious to know tho so much appreciated and that makes a lt of sense.

Dave

Your welcome.

I think it's because I lifted my quote from your quote of the op so I suppose the system assumed it was your post. Sorry - I probably should have taken it from the original!

Phil

3 hours ago, dmccombe7 said:

Funny enough my drummer says more surface area = more volume... My two fifteens (30 inches of speaker) set up was louder I think than my fifteen plus two x ten (35 inches of speaker). While I understand where he's coming from I think that's not completely true... Anybody know the answer? 

Yes. It's not the diameter, it's the surface area. So:

Surface area of a circle is pi(3.142) x r(radius, 1/2 diameter)squared(x itself).

A 15" speaker gives you 3.142 x 7.5 x 7.5 = 176.7375 square inches x 2 (you have two of them) = 343.75 surface area in square inches for your 2x15" rig.

A 10" speaker gives you 3.142 x 5 x 5 = 78.55 square inches x 2 = 157.1 plus 1 x 15" as above (176.735) = 333.875 surface area in square inches for your 1x15" plus 2x10" rig. 

So actually you have more speaker area with two fifteens than you do with 1x15 and 2x10.  Just under 3% : enough to hear the difference......... let battle commence!  And yes, I'm well aware that the different size speakers will work differently, and different drivers themselves work differently so simply comparing the surface area is valueless. I'm simply pointing out that the op's method of calculating "speaker" is not quite right, and the drummer is technically right although Alex Claber might have something to say about it!

Surely the whole point of organised jams is that the back line (bass rig, guitar amp and drum kit) and PA are there for people to use? I'd expect people to bring their own instruments (and maybe a snare drum if the drummer is really fussy?), and some people get sniffy about mics as they don't fancy other peoples slobber which is fair enough I suppose but that's about it. I even get away with just bringing a strap to one jam, but that's because the bass player is my mate and is also left handed 😎 plus his bass is a frankenbass built from one he bought from me. I only bring the strap because he's quite a lot shorter than me......and after I readjusted his strap on one occasion it was quite funny watching him trying to work out why his bass was around his knees!

Thanks for clearing that up. A thousand apologies for even casting a shadow of an infinitesimal doubt upon your lexicographical excellence. He sounds like a lovely man when unless he is riled. A bit like a certain Ronnie from days gone by, although I must point out that I am in no way making any suggestions regarding his personal persuasions - I don't think I would want to be on his bad side due to  a misunderstanding (or at all, come to that). You nay, however, have inadvertently given away a clue as to the gentleman's surname: as his brothers name is Fatbardh, I suspect it may be Stadt?

Hair Lip ? His moustache?? or Hare Lip, a cleft palate? I'm intrigued......