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Even though I transcribe a lot of music I always feel like my ears aren't as good as I want them to be. These are the best ways that I've found to get them in shape without spending any money:

1 hour ago, uk_lefty said:

Like you, I always think of theory as like grammar. Having tired to learn foreign languages you just can't learn vocabulary because the grammar is what stitches it all together and makes it flow and make sense.

Exactly. A lot of people parrot the very tired 'music is a language' analogy but then don't make any real effort to actually learn the language in a meaningful way. No point learning fancy words if you don't know what they mean or understand when to use them.

This might not seem like the answer that you want, but...

A lot of people, bass players in particular, struggle to understand harmony because they don't have a solid understanding of intervals (how two notes relate to each other) and basic triads first. It's going to be hard to get your head around 7th chord harmony and the devices that Marcus Miller is talking about if you skip over the much less exciting foundation work.

A good starting point is to look up the intervals of the major scale (major 2nd, major 3rd, perfect 4th, perfect 5th, major 6th, major 7th) and understand how those intervals are constructed (the musical spelling and grammar, if you like), how they're played on the bass, and how each one sounds.

You don't necessarily need a resource that's aimed at bassists, and it can be helpful to work on some of this stuff at a piano/keyboard as it can provide an easier way to visualise certain things compared to the fretboard.

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13 hours ago, bass_dinger said:

So, what skills does a professional bassist (touring band, session musician, covers band player) have that I can aspire to.

Those three strands of professional bassist all require slightly different skill sets (FWIW most full time musicians that I know have to take lots of different sorts of work to survive).

If you want to do theatre work/cruise ship stuff etc then being a decent reader is a must, some sessions require reading but many require fast ears and a broad knowledge of what to play in different styles. TAB does not exist in the professional world.

Covers band work is probably the most easy to get into, but you need to memorise a lot of tunes (50-100ish to begin with) and be able to transpose them into different keys at short notice if you want to be able to dep with different bands. Being able to do backing vocals makes you way more employable.

In general, professional players across the board tend to have a great sense of rhythm, decent ears, and have learned enough tunes over the years to be able to improvise a suitable bassline when asked to do so. You don't need tons of technical proficiency or slap bass pyrotechnics to get plenty of gigs and as long as your gear works well it doesn't matter how much it costs.

It's true that a lot of work comes from your network, but it's not all down to being a people person; knowing the right people gets you the gig, knowing the right stuff means you keep getting called for that gig (and people think of you when they need a bassist for something else...).

On 11/12/2022 at 14:07, bloke_zero said:

This is great! The only thing now is how do you mute that open D? With the open A after my normal right hand muting strategy isn’t working and left hand muting is hard because of the open string?

If you've got two consecutive open strings descending then the left hand has to mute the higher one - in this case the D gets muted at the exact split second that you pluck the open A. This is a hard thing to get used to at first but it's hugely important.

In general, the right hand takes care of all the strings below the one you're playing, the left hand mutes anything above the string being played.

Noise box on hold

DD-6 and TU-2 on hold

All prices include tracked postage to UK mainland addresses. Discounts for multiple purchases.

Subdecay Noise Box

Absolutely bonkers pedal in perfect working disorder. £75

Boss DD-6 Delay

Couple of scratches to the finish but otherwise vgc, £50

Boss TU-2

This has seen plenty of action but still works perfectly well, velcro on the bottom £20

36 minutes ago, paul_5 said:

This thing is like the 'anti-thumpinator', yes?

Exactly. All the 30Hz and 60Hz you could ever want, and then some.

50 minutes ago, Marky Screen said:

Brown sound in your bum bum!!

That's always what I say to the sound engineer before putting it through FOH...

It appears that I was incredibly optimistic about the price when I first listed this, so it's now been reduced to something more reasonable 😬

Mantic Density Hulk sub pedal in excellent condition. This is the regular version without the expression pedal input.

Sounds hefty even at low volumes, I've owned an original DOD Meatbox and find the Density Hulk vastly preferable in every way.

£120 securely packed and tracked to mainland UK addresses, discount if you want to pick it up.

Novation Bass Station keyboard from the 90s (not the recent Bass station II update!)

Owned by me since 2009 and serviced by Novation in 2013, I've hardly used it since buying so it needs to go to someone who'll play it.

Plugged it in this morning and everything works well, a great sounding and fun synth to play. Good cosmetic condition given its age, I've tried to capture the more obvious bits of damage in the photos, notably the pitting on the last key and the dent to the casing underneath the mod wheels. Includes Novation power supply.

£130  £100 securely packed and tracked to mainland UK addresses (if you'd rather collect from me in Egham TW20 then we can knock some money off)

Having dabbled in (and subsequently rejected) the E-C thing I got a lot out of working through parts of The Advancing Guitarist by Mick Goodrick; there's a couple of chapters that have some really heavy exercises on voice leading and some different ways of voicing chords (drop-2, etc) that might open up some new avenues for you - I found that working on spread triad voicings gave me a lot of useful material that could be applied even in a non-jazz situation.

On hold

3Leaf Audio Wonderlove Deluxe for sale, owned for a long time but rarely used outside of the practice room.

Excellent condition with very little in the way of scratches or chips to the paintwork, comes with original box and manual. Has velcro on the bottom that can be removed at buyer's request.

£220 packed and tracked within the UK.

Poor lighting makes the paint job look more blue than it really is, the pedal is a lovely deep purple colour.

1 hour ago, SubsonicSimpleton said:

Ear training is a long journey, so don't get discouraged.

 

If you look here

https://www.miles.be/software/

there are several versions of a simple but effective program which is also available in smartphone/tablet app format. I stumbled on this many years ago and used the discontinued functional ear trainer basic (which IIRC is stand alone and doesn't require adobe air)

 

Some intervals are much harder than others to hear clearly and distinctly, this app plays a cadence to establish a key and then a random note which you have to guess. The nifty thing about it is it allows you to custom select which intervals it tests you on, so you can focus on what you are struggling with - initially you should stick to a fixed key center and a small selection of notes in order to maximise repetition and reinforcement of the learning process - when you are confidently and consistently able to identify the notes, you can then increase the difficulty.

 

The other thing I would recomend is singing(focus on getting accurate pitch), especially when you are practicing - once you can clearly and accurately sing intervals/arpeggios/scales, they become much easier to recognise.

The Functional Ear Trainer app is the best thing I've found for getting the hang of how intervals sound (and, more importantly, feel) within the context of a key, which is what you need if you're trying to work out songs on the fly. Having been playing for 20+ years this is the one thing I'd go back and do every day if I had the chance.

Personally I'm not a fan of exercise/technique books as they generally result in you getting very good at playing the exercises in the book but still not able to perform the music that you might be aiming for.

If there's music that you want to play that's above your current technical ceiling then that's what you should be practising, but slow it down, break it into manageable chunks and build up to playing longer/faster sections as the weeks (or months) go by.

One thing that often gets overlooked is staying relaxed; if you're tense when you're playing then you'll tire more quickly. Practising slower than you think you need to can help you to focus on releasing unwanted tension from your neck/shoulders/arms/hands, which will in turn help you to learn the habit of staying relaxed at faster tempos. I have a tendency to hold my breath when playing something challenging, which never goes well...

Thanks @BigRedX, I suspected that an aggregate device might be the way to go.

I've been using Loopback (and their other product, Audio Hijack) for a while now and they are both invaluable for teaching.

Asking on behalf of a student - Does anyone have experience in using the PJB Bighead as an interface to get their bass signal into Zoom (or Skype/Teams/other meeting software)? And if so, can you use a built-in laptop mic at the same time or do you have to switch between the two for bass/voice to be heard?

On 12/10/2022 at 13:43, Scoobs said:

Makes sense that theory and harmony aren't bass specific, and it is reassuring to hear that what I am thinking about sounds like quite a big subject/subjects/set of skills/chunk of Knowledge.

If it was easy, then everyone would be doing it 😉

There aren't really that many things that you have to know, the problem is that you have to know a handful of concepts really deeply and be able to access those sounds in lots of different ways on the bass.

At the most fundamental level, we need to know the notes that go into chords and where those notes are on the bass. That sounds relatively straightfoward, but there are many hours of work in there.

Hard to cover everything that you're after with only a few book suggestions, but here are some of the ones that I've found most helpful and that I use with some of my students:

(it's worth pointing out that you don't need bass-specific books to learn about harmony and theory, and it's perhaps best to go for ones that aren't written by or for bassists...)

Functional Harmonic Concepts by Joe Hubbard

Jazzology by Robert Rawlins and Nor Eddine Bahha (this is part workbook, with questions at the end of each chapter)

The Advancing Guitarist by Mick Goodrick

Although you said you don't like videos... I did this video a while ago which goes into detail on the above books plus a couple more.

I can't even begin to imagine the time and effort you must have put in to transcribing AJ's parts, particularly on such a demanding album. Thank you doesn't quite cut it, but thank you!

On 25/08/2022 at 18:54, LITTLEWING said:

Why would I want to? I’d just be playing someone else’s tune note for note with no individual expression. It’s like painting the colours you’re told to inside the lined shapes that someone has drawn on a piece of art paper.

 

It makes me sometimes wonder if you took away the music sheets from in front of a violinist and asked them to play something from the heart, could they actually do it with actual feeling from inside?

There seems to be a pervasive belief that learning to read music robs you of any musicality and turns you into a note-reading robot who has no other skills and no 'feel' for the music (ditto for learning music theory).

Here's the thing: there are plenty of awful musicians out there churning out awful interpretations of the dots, but I'm willing to bet there's an even greater number of people who can't read that are out there butchering the classics. Correlation is not causation.

Reading music is not a guarantee of good musicianship, but it does encourage certain skills that TAB doesn't (namely fretboard knowledge and rhythmic awareness).

If you don't want to read because it holds no value for you then don't, it's as simple as that. Plenty of people out there parrot the tired 'music is a language' analogy but then aren't willing to put the effort in to actually learn the language.

And yes, learning to read once you can already play is a massive pain (it certainly was for me!), but that doesn't mean that you should avoid it if you're interested in becoming an independent and musically aware bassist.

On 28/08/2022 at 13:29, ChrisDev said:

Love this song. So funky, so energetic

Teena Marie - Square Biz | Allen McGrier

 

What a great tune - Allen McGrier did some great playing with TM and is someone who I wish got more exposure.