bass_dinger

Looking at this video of James Blunt, he appears to signal to the band "another repeat" (3'01") and then "desist, I don't want this any more" ( 3'02").  I was impressed that they managed to follow that sudden change of mind. 

So, how do others here signal repeated choruses or verses, extended solos, or quiet sections?

That is astounding.  You are your own human jukebox, and a walking iPod.

1 hour ago, Baxlin said:

I’ve no chance then - when live streaming with our church band, I have to wear a facemask........

So, did they ask you to do that before Covid19 started . . . ? 

On 07/01/2021 at 12:21, Si600 said:

No, you need a long cable between the amp and tuner in case you sit down on the other side of the room to the amp and need to adjust tuning.

"Bass > LONG cable > Tuner > short cable > amp is all I need!"

Fixed it . . .  I actually have long cables already.  Honest!!

15 hours ago, TheGreek said:

Ah, but do you have all that you want!!?? What about gear you didn't know that you wanted???

TheGreek, you are not helping!!  

Let me swim in my own tiny fishtank of ignorance about the wider world of bass gear. Bass > cable > Tuner > short cable > amp is all I need!
 

I'll play.

I always thought myself the very model of self control, but ended up replacing a broken acoustic guitar pre-amplifier with an LR Baggs Anthem, and bought an Ashdown Acoustic Radiator too.  Oh - and Harley Benton CST 24.  Plus both instruments were set up for ease of playing. 

I now have all that I need.  So, this year, I will focus on using what I have, properly.  

11 hours ago, TKenrick said:

Things become a bit clearer (well, hopefully) if you 'add together' the harmony from the bass and the guitar at each point in the progression:

 

Thank you.  It makes more sense now. 

I also see that there are only two major chords - D and G.  The C chord is missing (perhaps substituted by the Em, which might be considered as an altered C maj 7 chord?).  Maybe the C chord would have worked less well with the riff? 


 

16 minutes ago, Doctor J said:

 

Do you have an impressive beard?

Define "impressive"!

I think that I want my hifi to sound like the original recording - if I want soft and fuzzy, I can always throw a duvet over the speakers....

For me, the biggest revelation has been the purchase of Atacama speaker stands.  The definition is better, more focused - and the music is easier to listen to, and less fatiguing.   

Listening to this song, I heard that the chords were changing throughout the song - D, G, Em.  However, each chord gets the same bass riff . 

Is there a musical explanation for why this static one-bar bassline works over three different chords?  

I do wonder about the relative prices of the equipment.  A good, hifi, turntable seems to be more expensive than a good, hifi, CD player.  Less robust too....

With £400 to invest in a turntable and vinyl, and the same £400 to spend on a CD player and CDs, which would get you a better outcome?




 

25 minutes ago, TheGreek said:

Just me and you then...

Me too.  Ebay is a good hunting ground for cheap music on CD, as are artist home pages. 

http://www.document-records.com/ are great for Blues completists who want recordings of old scratchy 78s.  https://www.naxos.com/ are good for classical stuff, perhaps recorded by an obscure eastern European orchestra, which is cheap to licence and re-release. 

I think that I like the idea of vinyl, more than I like the sound.   

6 minutes ago, Mykesbass said:

Nostalgia - pure and simple. Dreadful medium!

I think that what we call a compact cassette, was originally marketed as a dictaphone recording device.
Nakamichi managed to get a lot of mileage out of the format, but they were perhaps best suited for in-car entertainment, and for recording Radio 1's chart show - and for doing mix tapes for your mates.  I still treasure my Best Of Shalamar, compiled by my mate Roger...     

"Home Taping Is Killing Music."
 
  

19 hours ago, chris_b said:

Ask him what his favourite tune is and teach him that.

I did the same with a 12 year old that wanted to learn.  He liked Fly me to the Moon; Flamenco Sketches by Miles Davis; and All of Me by Micheal Buble....  

I had to tell his parents that those songs were beyond me!

I recently offloaded my small vinyl collection, because I rarely if ever listened to them.   With a cheap Dual CS505 deck, and nowhere to store the records, it was an easy decision to fix my old Marantz CD52 player, and focus on that medium.    

However, my wife still has some vinyl and cassettes, which I thought that I could easily replace with the CD version.  I was stunned to see how expensive CDs can be, especially when it was released as a limited run by an obscure artist.  Contrast that to how easily available the vinyl version is.

EDIT - everything is easily available, if one has the money...   

22 hours ago, pete.young said:

A certain computer company used to send us kit which used hot air popcorn in place of the styrofoam nuts that everyone else was using.

It's fat free so doesnt' go off, and gives the added bonus of a tasty snack while you were unpacking and setting up your computing gear.

Ah yes - if they had been invented 5 years ago, they would have called it "heat-activated low density biodegradable packaging granules", but we know them as a bag of popping corn.  I find that it works best if it can be separated from the item being sent - nobody wants food-stuff in the slots of their tube power amp!   I used ziplocked bags full of popcorn.

"10 out of 10, delicious.  Would buy again."

I see that the wood grain on the packaging is better than that on some guitars I have owned!  If it is 6mm ply, it is expensive to buy (but cheaper than a damaged instrument).  So, I have been known to resort to a bit of skip diving . . .  

20 hours ago, Richard R said:

Advice on cameras would be welcome here too. We are doing our first livestream on Sunday, but are running with phones as IP cameras for the first two services before we purchase anything.

At our church, we use four fixed cameras, with HDMI-out, into a video mixer - the visuals team select the shot that they want (whole band; worship leader close up; preacher close up; preacher wide shot).

The main mixing desk is set up in two layers - one for the room, which is rarely used (all the microphones and instruments are on gates which only open when the band plays, or people speak).

The second (virtual) layer on the main desk goes to a second software-based desk in the studio, via an Ethernet connection.  That second desk can remotely control the broadcast sound, and allows the "live" room to have a different mix to the broadcast.

There is a third desk on the stage, to allow the band to control our foldback - an old analogue machine that previously served as the main church desk.

We also have three separately controllable screens: In the church building one with the words to the songs facing the band.  The other screen is for the congregation to see words to songs, and links to external broadcasts (Zoom calls to missionaries abroad;  BBC broadcast of the Cenotaph memorial service; pre-recorded videos).  

There is also a transmission screen - that's what is shared with people watching the service online.   

We did try doing all of the sound from one digital desk, but quickly realised that the way of optimising the sound was to treat each zone differently, and have specialists in control of each zone.  That level of commitment was tied in with the decision to move to a fully broadcast service, as well as the "live" room.

I can share more detail if people want it - make of camera, make of desk, kit and software used to do the visuals and streaming.  However, I realise that not every church will want to install a broadcast studio.

For now, here is a link to the service - complete with a prerecorded interview, adverts, too-loud harmonies, and the bassist turning up late because I needed the loo and did not realise that the studio had started broadcasting the rehearsal early!    

There are very good!  There is a whole concert of their stuff - great fun for those of us who want to hear the oompah version of Ghostbusters.

8 hours ago, xgsjx said:

Why is the majority of white worship music so uninspiring?

There’s musicians in our church who have been playing for years & only know the basics because they only listen to CCW. Had CCW taken some pointers from gospel, then they’d likely know a good deal more. 

Because the majority of white worship musicians are so uninspiring . . . 

I decided long ago that, in order to improve my musicianship, I needed to listen to and play material outside of CCW - so, less Christian Contemporary Worship, and more Credence Clearwater Wevival.  Less CCW and more CCS.

 Adam Neely has something to say on the subject - 

21 hours ago, Richard R said:

I was irrationally excited to play Em in a song last March 😁

So excited that you still remember it! 

1 hour ago, Pappabass said:

I played a 5 string because D, E, & F are popular keys. dont overplay. 

At my church, A, G, D and C are the Keys of Worship  - often the same song, tried in each key until the singers are comfortable.

However, there are never any flat keys, oddly.   

As for Don't Overplay, spot on.  Recordings and videos of professional arrangements are often very sparsely arranged.   

  

13 minutes ago, Richard R said:

300 people allowed in church. Ah, those were the days!

 

But now, with Facebook and YouTube broadcasts, 300 looks small!  Somehow, my own church services reach 1,000 views in the month following the service, from a live congregation of 250. 

You are right - a venue full of real people singing, is better than the current set up (100 people in masks, forbidden to sing).

2 minutes ago, Richard R said:

 

Interesting responses from the different bands. 

Ah yes . . .  So, we previously had lots of people playing and singing, with each "seat" being rotated.  Each week would have a different combination of musicians - see Luke FRC's comment below, for the range of abilities!

However, since we returned to the church, we no longer have a mix of musicians.  Instead, the band members are largely fixed.   So, we no longer have different bands, but one core group.  That's sad for those who are excluded, but the move seems to have been accepted, in the main. 

On 03/01/2020 at 07:44, LukeFRC said:

. . . . a joyful but atonal mess of not-very-good-musicians. You could find out the drummer one week has a PHD in jazz drumming and the next week is a 14 year old who started learning 6 months ago. Be prepared for a massive variety of musical skills, and more importantly listening skills. 

 

An update on my own playing in church.

Since 9th August, we have been playing as a band, in the church building.

With a new leader, it has proven more challenging than I expected, even though everyone in the band is experienced and capable.

I think that's because the new leader wants a proper arrangement, rather than as before when the leader would play and have us follow him for rhythm and changes in volume and mood.

I am enjoying the challenge, but felt the need to take lessons {Thanks to dudewheresmybass }, simply to keep up with the other musicians' level of ability.    

The more I play, the more I realise that I don't know.... 

On 17/10/2020 at 07:48, Newfoundfreedom said:

My fingers always feel comfortable, and never wear out. 

The skin does wear out - but it regrows! 

Ladies and gentlemen, I give you  . . . the self-repairing guitar-brain interface.   I call it "The FingerTip". 

3 hours ago, chris_b said:

So far my stash of batteries has come to my rescue twice. Then again, l seem to have “lent” more batteries to guitarists than used them myself.

I did have an awkward gig when my strap broke and I didn’t have have a spare. I carry a spare for everything now.

A spare for everything?  Now you have set me thinking!  I have spare cables, battery, a spare tuner (headstock) and a spare 2032 battery for that tuner, and even tools to tighten up ring nuts.  I check the battery once every two months (this, after my batter died during a broadcast gig).  I have bought a DI box, in case the amp fails.

However, I don't have spare strings, nor my own spare bass.  However, there is a four-string at the venue at which I play.

I had one battery that lasted 8 years - and another, just two months.  That variation probably reflects the difference in playing time that I put into the bass, during my current phase of paying, and my previous "bass dark ages".

EDIT - a more complex error.  I bought a pair of batteries for an active acoustic bass.  One battery died, having first given a distorted sound via the pre-amp.  I replaced it with the other battery, and about a week later, the pre-amp was distorting again.

I reasoned that it was the pre-amp at fault - it could not be the battery, as it was fresh. 

In fact, the battery was freshly in the bass, rather than freshly made - both batteries were the same age, and both had deteriorated at roughly the same rate, and both died at the same approximate time.

Now, I buy one battery at a time, and place the old spare into the instrument, and make the new battery the spare.