BigBeefChief

[quote name='OldGit' post='159943' date='Mar 18 2008, 09:28 PM']Ha ha hey didn't you used to have a "The"?[/quote] Yeah, my original profile was deleted following some "unpleasantness".

I'm an intriguing guy.

Welcome Steve. How long have you been playing for?

Carefull - he'll be on here with a toothache, going mental at you soon.

Welcome.

Apparently Lord Lucan had it.

Part of my objection to overly technical excercises probably stems from my dislike of overly polished performances. I like a live band to be a little rough around the edges. I aso tend to like those albums recorded in weeks rather than months. Likewise, my favourite vocalists tend to be people who can't "sing" in the the traditional sense (Liam Gallagher anyone?). Pretty lucky really, given that I'm an incredibly sloppy player and can't sing for sh*t.

Have you ever taught someone as handsome as me?

dlloyd, I would quote you, but it crashes my PC at work! I agree there is a need to develop and practice motor skills. Its something that I'm working on currently. God knows I need to do. However, I've found that I'm able to do this whilst still playing something "musical" (to my ears). The difficulty and confusion arises from definitions of musicality. One man's musical is another man's tuneless Jazz noodling! I find some technical excercises to similar to those awful "hand trainers" you see advertised at the back of American bass/guitar magazines. Maybe if I had the time, I would do both musical and purely technical excercises. Unfortunately, I don't have the time. I therefore strive to combine the two.

I haven't read the last few pages of this, but there seems to be some confusion regarding the original criticism of Janek' article. Firstly, of course practice doesn't make you a worse player. Thats insane. I wish I could practice more. Even up to 10 hours a day. Practice is good, y'hear me? PRACTICE IS GOOD! The issue is (for me) what you practice. For me, if the practice is too academic, it can detract from the musicality. I have suggested that this is perhaps why the majority of bass players I like are not classically trained. For some reason I tend to prefer the approach taken by those that haven't been overly concerned with theory. This is just an observation, I'm not sure why this is, how could I be? Sometimes its about finding what works for you. This may not deemed classically/technically "right", but if it sounds good, go with it. If James Jamerson went to a modern bass clinic he'd get a few funny looks for his right hand technique. He would also be able to wipe the floor (from a melodic perspective) with everyone else there I should think. Likewise, there are people on this forum that if siiting an exam about bass theory would wipe the floor with McCartney. And of course, by their own admittance, I'm sure these people are not half the bass player that Macca is. A thought occured to me last night. A lot of these academic excercises don't sound particularly musical to me. especially the Jazz improvistaion stuff. Bilbo made a point during the "I hate Jazz" thread about jazz being a language and that in order to truly appreciate it, you need to learn it. Maybe that by doing these academic excercises, I would learn the language. I'd also start to appreciate Jazz. I'd then start playing Jazz. Maybe that is why a lot of technically gifted bass players end up playing jazz? Maybe they have reached a (technical/academic) level that means pumping 8th notes is no longer satisfying to them? This would certainly explain why I tend not to like the music of these type of players. Who knows. And once again. PRACTICE is not bad. I'd just rather practice with a drummer and a guitarist than sitting in front of Bass Guitar Magazine. God, don't I go on?

I kinda like that!

Jazzwise? Isn't that an oxymoron?! Ahhhhhhhh!!!!!! It's happening again!!!!!

Man, things have changed since I was at Uni!

[quote name='LukeFRC' post='155028' date='Mar 11 2008, 12:32 AM']you seen the movie deliverance? the dualing banjos? (in the context of this discussion) would be a good way to sort out bass chat dissagrements[/quote] Or perhaps first to "squeal like a piggy" loses?

Damn! He's applied for a patent! Beat me to it.

[quote name='funkmunky' post='155018' date='Mar 11 2008, 12:09 AM']It was meant in jest [/quote] Which is how it was taken. Don't get me confused with anyone else!

[quote name='funkmunky' post='155008' date='Mar 10 2008, 11:52 PM']You're possibly the most cynical person I've ever met (virtually met).[/quote] Ahhh! Don't edit it! I've already been called a tosser. Calling me a c*** isn't gonna do any harm!

[quote name='funkmunky' post='155010' date='Mar 10 2008, 11:59 PM']No problem.[/quote] It took years of rejection, failure and dissapointment to achieve.

[quote name='funkmunky' post='155008' date='Mar 10 2008, 11:52 PM']You're possibly the most cynical c*** I've ever met (virtually met).[/quote] Thank you kind sir!

Christ! You're as sensitive as he is! Derision of his music?? I thought most of us were in agreement that we should move on from the whole Janek thing? What ever the initial purpose of the post, we've covered some interesting ground. Even I'm getting sick of this thread and I LOVE the sound of my own voice.

[quote name='bigd1' post='154977' date='Mar 10 2008, 11:08 PM']I was just thinking could this be the longest post/debate we have had on BC ? BIGd[/quote] Not sure. "God - I hate Jazz!" was pretty long. I'd like to think thats still running in a parallel universe somewhere.

[quote name='mcgraham' post='154967' date='Mar 10 2008, 10:59 PM']Perhaps. If I'm honest, I think that we (collectively) handled this whole situation rather poorly. I don't believe Bigd1 was out of line posting what he did, in fact I think it's good to hear such opinions. However I don't believe that we (collectively) posted with care or consideration. A number of posts carried an air/tone if you will, similar to the tone you would take if you were speaking about someone behind their back i.e. without care or thought towards how it was worded or how it could be said objectively and constructively. It wasn't [i]really[/i] a thread devoted to constructive criticism or reasoned debate. It was as if we never expected Janek to read this, which really isn't cool on a number of levels. I'm not saying we shouldn't share our opinions about articles or the like, or even voice our personal feelings on such matters, but I don't believe there was the respect due to even a normal poster of the board, even neglecting the fact he is someone of great experience and ability. And may I be the first to suggest that we now leave this be? By all means continue the conversation, I'm greatly enjoying it, but lets not look in the direction of where this thread has come from. Mark[/quote] Good call. I can't say I agree with you 100%, but good call nonetheless.

Perhaps I exagerate slightly. But I can't help but think that perhaps Janek isn't as openly challenged over on TB as he has been here, and thats the rub.

Welcome Alice. I'm sure your probably more talented than most of us!