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Essentially how does a bass solo differ from that of a six string guitar solo?

[quote name='Johnm93' timestamp='1383926383' post='2270923'] So - did you have any luck...? [/quote] Turns out I am quite a shy bairn and didnt ask

Wonder if this girl knows/gives a s*** that a thread exists about her. I hope she doesnt give a s***

[quote name='Jah Wibble' timestamp='1383564928' post='2265822'] Hahahaha! [/quote] Jah Wibble how old are you? With a name like that ( great one BTW ) I think you could be as old as me and like my kind of music

[quote name='lowdown' timestamp='1383562420' post='2265777'] For what it's worth, I think the girl plays well on her Youtube videos. However, taking weeks to learn numbers and sets seems a long time to me. That's what musicians at the top of the game, don't do. They have the ability to put it together quickly, and that's why the same faces keep popping up all the time. It sets them aside from (a lot of) Youtube musicians and [size=4]folks that do it for a hobby (however good they are).[/size] [size=4]Good luck to her in whatever she decides to do.[/size] [/quote] You are probably right top session bassists don't need as long as two weeks but then top session bassists tend to have a bit more under their belts than three years. Wonder what JPJ would have thought getting this amount of criticism three years into his game.

[quote name='Jah Wibble' timestamp='1383560231' post='2265739'] Do I think that because I think she's attractive AND plays bass then that makes her some holy grail in my quest for the perfect partner- no. Would I still be interested if she worked at the fish counter at my local multinational hypermarket - yes. Saw this vid come up on my YT feed and was impressed by the way it sounded (as per the title in my posting). The fact she's pretty hot is separate for me. As for her being not as good live, can't say I've ever seen her but posting vids up on YT is pretty ballsy for anyone I think. I'm sure she get to point where she will be 'satisfactory' playing live for BC'ers, She's 20 ffs. [/quote] Well said

I dont understand where this thread eventually led us. It started off as a nice post about this girl playing a song really well and morphed into a Simon Cowellesque thread about how the music industry is harsh and she had better find out its difficulties before she might even begin to have aspirations. Thing is none of us know what this girl wants to achieve in music. YT might be as far as she wants to take it. For me like I have said she plays really well and I reckon with a few weeks to rehearse with a live band she would nail it and do really well

I wonder if she had been given a few weeks to rehearse with [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Jamiroquai how she would have performed. I have a suspicion she would have faired rather well. I bet [/font][/color][color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Jamiroquai [/font][/color]themselves had as much time as needed to rehearse before the tour.

Sorry I forgot to include in my post as several have as if I they were sad when in truth I should have posted to indicate they might secretly have been happy. Cheers to all you knockers of essentially a newbie bassist.

Lot of mean spirited comments here. I seriously doubt anyone who nailed a bass line on YT could take that onstage with the band themselves at short notice and give a good account of themselves. Nerves aside there are loads of other considerations here. Hell even bands themselves rehearse their OWN music for weeks before going on a tour. Hats off to that young lady. Beautiful and beautifully played especially as she has been playing bass for about THREE YEARS.

[quote name='Johnm93' timestamp='1383262718' post='2262466'] Know what you mean about Tam Lin. Love FC myself, too. You could try the 'contact' option on FC's website - here - [url="http://www.fairportconvention.com/contact.php"]http://www.fairportc...com/contact.php[/url] Just ask Peggy for the tabs, maybe...? [/quote] LOL well shy bairns get no cake I suppose. Thanks for your help

Found this site which may be of interest www.songtrellis.com

...to find bass transcriptions/tabs of Ashley Hutchings? I love FC and love the bass line to Tam Lin in particular but try as I might I cant find a transcript of it anywhere. Anyone give me a few pointers to locating it?

[quote name='Coilte' timestamp='1383142101' post='2260686'] I am in almost the same boat as yourself. I jammed with friends when in my teens, then life got in the way. I only seriously took up the bass again about seven years ago.......aged 50. Only then, did I delve into basic theory, like you are doing now. So, age does not make much of a difference, once you are keen to learn and are having fun doing so. Better late than never....eh ? [/quote] Yeah but atleast we are both enjoying it Do you play in a band Coilte?

[quote name='xgsjx' timestamp='1383140765' post='2260661'] Don't beat yourself up about how to jam. Start off simple & things will progress. A simple root note can soon develop & become a riff or a walking bass line over time. The best way (& probably the only way) to learn how to jam & come up with things off the cuff is through experience & jamming with other musicians. I started on 12 bar blues too (some 30 or so years ago). Learn Rock, Pop & Jazz (which isn't far away from blues with a lot of the theories, scales & progressions). Colite's given you some good resources there & you'd be wise to look here if you haven't already... [url="http://basschat.co.uk/forum/31-theory-and-technique/"]http://basschat.co.u...-and-technique/[/url] & there might be something in here that you can jam to... [url="http://basschat.co.uk/forum/41-groove-library/"]http://basschat.co.u...groove-library/[/url] The important bit... Have fun! [/quote] Thank you. Yeah I am having fun. I love playing the bass but I wish I had stuck at it all those years ago as a thirteen year old. I am forty seven now still in love with music but still a newbie despite my age. Thanks to all that have tried to help me your efforts are greatly appreciated

[quote name='Coilte' timestamp='1383138122' post='2260609'] A book that I always recommend is Hal Leonard's "Bass Method Book". There are three volumes and it is possible to get all three in one spiral bound edition. Each comes with a CD. There is little or no tabs in these books, which IMO is a major plus. This book combined with maybe the Study Bass site, should be all you need for quite a while. If I can be of any more help, feel free to P.M me. [url="http://www.amazon.com/Leonard-Bass-Method-Easy-Use/dp/0793563836"]http://www.amazon.co...e/dp/0793563836[/url] EDIT : another book that springs to mind is "Bass Guitar for Dummies". Never mind the "D" word. It is a great book and might be available in your local library. [/quote] Thanks very much for your time.

[quote name='Coilte' timestamp='1383136882' post='2260584'] Another good thing to get your head around is harmonising the major scale. This means playing every chord in the scale. To do this, we do what is called "stacking thirds". We will write out the C maj scale and work from the bottom up, stacking thirds as we go. This means we take the third note from the line below and start a new line with that. GABCDEF EFGABCD CDEFGAB Now, if we read from the bottom up from left to right, it gives us the diatonic (using notes only found in the given scale) chords for the C maj scale. So, the first line on the left from the bottom up, is CEG which is C maj. The next line is DFA which D minor, etc If we were to add another line on top of the above ones, this would give us the 7ths. [/quote] Thanks Coilte I see from your tag that you like/play Jazz are there any books you could recommend that would put all this in laymans terms that I could practice?

[quote name='Coilte' timestamp='1383135880' post='2260560'] Glad you find the links useful. You are not ignorent, just keen to learn. We have all been where you are now. Basically a chord is made up of every other note 1,3,5,7 etc) of a scale. For instance the C maj scale is CDEFGAB, so the Cmaj chord would be 1,3,5 which is CEG. If we add the 7th note we get Cmaj7. The passing notes you refer to are the other notes in a scale, i.e. 2,4, and 6. [/quote] Thank you so much. One day I swear all of Basschat world will hear one almighty sound of a slapped palm on forehead coming from the direction of Tyneside once the penny finally drops in all this.

[quote name='AntLockyer' timestamp='1383135258' post='2260545'] That is exactly the theory. The good thing is that patterns can mean several things. either shapes on the fretboard, the actual number of steps between notes, note names, etc. etc. Knowing all of those is going to make you more fluent, but jsut having fretboard shapes gets you 80% of the way. I think order of emphasis of certain notes is chord tones (notes in the actual chord) scalar tones (the ones in the scale but not in the chord) Chromatic (the others) So over F major you could play nothing but F - A - C (Root, 3rd, 5th) and support the music perfectly. [/quote] Sorry Ant your reply came through as I was typing I think you have answered the questions I put forward.

[quote name='xgsjx' timestamp='1383133075' post='2260520'] Have you got any music software on your computer? If you know/learn how to use it, you could make your own chord sequences & loop them infinitely (or until you get bored). Start by using some known songs' progressions. Though there's plenty of guitar/keys loops that you could use from Wikiloops. [/quote] Thanks for that xgsjx. I have actually joined Wikiloops and I am busy finding out what exactly that site has to offer. In fact it was on Wikiloops that it was brought home to me how crap I am at jamming in anything other than twelve bar blues. Thus far on Wiki all I have found is backing tracks that have scant information regards chord charts. They usually just have a list of the chords and no outline of how many bars these chords play for, a little like the difference between tab and notation. Like I say I am still looking around the site but what I need is a firm outline like: Cm7 / / / Fm / Gm7/ Am / something like that which tells me what chords are played per bar. Wikiloops may have this but so far I havent seen it. I guess what I am after is to be able instinctively to play something that fits with the progression, I could after hearing the loop a few times come up with a bass part but this is just getting back to the playing what you hear in your mind and it isnt instinctive or immediate. I cant imagine playing at a jam and asking my fellow musicians to play it back a few times till I can think of something LOL Ideally I would like to be able to view a chord chart and have ideas bursting to emerge. I guess this all comes with hard work and if I am right getting certain patterns in your fingers. As an aside, I don't play chess and was amazed at the speed chess champions played the opening few moves of a game till it was explained to me that in reality the players were playing out a kind of well trodden path that was kind of in their fingers. This was all instinct and the realm of conscious thought only came into the game once new ground was broken by whichever player played a variation. Do Jazz and well versed session players have this kind of arsenal to fall back on? Like I said earlier is it a well remembered set of fingerings and patterns that they know will work with a chord chart they may only see briefly before they start to play?

Also, is there a site out there that you can plug in a few chords and have them play the sequence on a loop? That way I could choose a random chord progression and kind of learn how to adapt to playing along to it.

[quote name='Coilte' timestamp='1383054643' post='2259556'] +1. OP, why cant you apply the same intervals (1,3,5, (7) etc) that you are using for playing blues, and use them in other chord progressions ? Are you familar with chord tones, arpeggios and intervals ? If not, then IMO this would be the way to go. Here is a link to a great site that should help with all three. In this link it deals with chord tones. [url="http://www.studybass.com/lessons/bass-chord-patterns/chord-tones-are-primary/"]http://www.studybass...es-are-primary/[/url] When you think you have digested all the above, then move on to inversions. Here is a link that covers these. [url="http://www.scribd.com/doc/2087887/a-comprehensive-chord-tone-system-for-mastering-the-bass-jeff-berlin"]http://www.scribd.co...ass-jeff-berlin[/url] [/quote] Coilte those are great sites thanks for posting. Just one thing to further prove of my ignorance. The chord tone thing seems to imply that there are favourable notes to play for every chord and notes that should be avoided or else used sparingly as ghost notes or passing notes, have I got that right? Now I can play any variation of the favourable notes and it will "fit" so to speak the chord that is being played. Something like memorising patterns for every chord and messing around with the order instinctively. Is that right? So have those players who are supremely able to improvise simply committed to memory a series of patterns that they fall back on when they know what chord is being played? This I know is a simplistic way of looking at it but have I got the gist?

[quote name='RhysP' timestamp='1383069135' post='2259850'] I should think using Anthony Jackson to mute your stings would be a tad cumbersome. [/quote]

I seriously need to up my theory knowledge all this mode/chord tone stuff leaves me baffled.

Thanks everyone for your replies I think I will experiment with a few of the ideas put forward. Thanks again