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This is your nightmare !!!

The right hand is often wrong but it sounds good to my ears but it's wrong, not right but it's actually my right hand, not my left.

Today I played a bit, I don't practise so much anymore even if when I picked it "everything" (for me) even if it's nothing (for you) came naturally.

That was my point, if you are used to playing the bass guitar with Simandl fingering, it's not a "big deal", you get quickly functional without becoming a great double bass player. In a jazz ensemble, nobody wants you to be great but functional. You can be great and unable to accompany other musicians. Some big technicians can be lost in a tune while simple players do the job and more.

Cool ! It reminds me another forum !

Put several delay pedals and rush, flanger and chorus at the end of the chain. Then shout "Stop !", you will be all the double bass players and the conductor at the same time.

I think you understood what I meant. And so there is a very big difference between playing classical guitar and jazz guitar even if my basic knowledge on guitar comes from classical, it took me a while to play jazz on the guitar (only after having played "jazz" on bass guitar, not good at all) because I was a kind of "conservative" guy, one finger per fret, etc.. Now I mostly play a cheap 7 string solid body guitar and use hybrid picking, sure like everyone I had played blues and rock. I forgot to say I've been playing the saxophone for quite 35 years but I'm not so good. Maybe a lot of people will shout when they read that, on the double bass when I play pizzicato it's sharp and with the bow it's flat, and it's the same fingering ! On open strings, it doesn't change so much I guess, no difference. I maybe play too hard, there are so many people who say that the double bass requires more energy, I have already played the bass guitar with energy in order to emulate a double bass or kind of, maybe it's too much. And this is the worst !!! A nightmare !!! Solar !!! I'm lost !!! Laugh at me !!!

Recording oneself and listening to the result help more than imagining it sounds good because your teacher and orchestra buddies said it sounded good. Sharing it entirely is another story... My mother has always said I was beautiful and clever, well... She's my mother.

In an orchestra if everyone played perfectly in tune you wouldn't get the same impact. Add the traditional classical vibrato... Do you know how flanger and chorus effects work ?

In ordinary life, double bassists are actually very cool ("Take the double bass, I show you the fingerings, it's just bigger, do it, you can !"), I don't doubt you are. But sometimes, maybe I don't clearly understand English, in the internet they seem to react like if they caught the "guitar diva syndrome". You know what I mean. I admit you are cool and you have humour, British mind ? I'm from a country where Scottish, Welsh, even people from Ulster and the Republic of Ireland are English. Do you guess where I'm from ?

Hum, the community should teach him how to play the double bass, maybe he is not as experimented as I believed.

I am scared of what you could think about Ron Carter... You will say it's Ron Carter and it was easy for him because he was already Ron Carter before he played the bass and that's why he recorded so many albums. I'm kidding but I understand now how a double bassist mind works. 😜 OK it's Ron Carter !

This is the way I play now even if I don't practise the way I used to (I've got a job and I play other instruments). It has been made without thinking, for sure I should have thought before doing it. I think everyone knows the tune, it is not the easiest one even if everyone wants to learn and play it. You will hear all the problems I've got, I'm sorry, there is no fancy things there. I have to confess you are cool people.

Hi ! Welcome ! Really good people here !

I really loved this ! Great feeling !

A very interesting musician, a sweet voice with a big gentleness.

I do think it because people prefer reading and writing than listening, you listened a bit to what I did, so I really thank you. We've got so many great players and instructors on YouTube, that's a chance. It helps a lot. Do you know him ? He mixed all fingerings. I would like to know your opinion.

Yes ! F G Ab Billé 1 3 4 with pivot (very weak) Play F# with 2 like Simandl It only works with chromatism... Big problems appear between 2nd and 3rd fingers... I don't like Billé, it's not comfortable, it's a weak fingering because there is a little more stretching between 3rd and 4th fingers. So, Simandl is easier.

Four finger technique is easier in half-position because you can put your thumb at the right place in order to get more flexibility, in block position it's different because you cannot put your thumb at the place you want, some are already in thumb position instead of block position. I tried both, the "normal" way works better for me. Of course to play F# or the octave on G string, I use my 3rd finger. You can also use the thumb to play E then Eb E F F# (T 1 2 3) and D Eb E F the same way. Four finger technique, I sometimes try but it's a mix between Simandl and Billé. So I stay on Simandl, it's the simplest thing. Ironically I'm relearning to play with all fingers on the bass guitar.

OK that was after three months of practicing the double bass, I had some problems but I solved them. That was my first week, it strangely sounds better but the technique is completely wrong. That was two months ago, I wanted to get an idea of how my bass sounded with my amp. Sound and image are not synchronised. For you it might sound like a rubbish bin or a nightmare. But believe me or not, some people want me as a double bassist. Where I live, all double bassists are busy. Ah !!!

@Burns-bass I have never said it was easy ! I said "not so difficult", "not impossible". My goal is not to play in a symphonic orchestra or to be a classical soloist. It's about "fiddle bass" !

I wonder if there are people who learnt to walk without touching the floor or learnt how to eat without food. I knew air guitar, but air double bass, that's really new for me.

Yes, learning how to swim out of the water helps a lot to avoid drowning.

About classical methods, I think they are the best way to practise, everything is clear if it's simple stuff, quite nothing for you but enough information for me. When I watch classical double bass videos, I figure out they are very open-minded, they don't live in a box. I tried to play violin and a great teacher gave me a lesson one day, I was showing him the way I played, he said I was wrong to follow the rules about the 3rd position since I was already playing a string instrument... And he said that life was too short to follow all the rules, they are good for kids and people who don't know what they want to do, basics for basics without any kind of goal, it's useless if you know what you want to do and already play music. That was interesting. A double bass teacher said I should try to play with all fingers, I try it sometimes but I'm not convinced even if it works. It works for him, he had taught the double bass in a conservatory for more than 30 years. I do prefer the rules even if it's better to play the way it works for me. Life is short ! You want to learn how to swim ? Go into the water, you will see everyone can swim. About the sentence "get a teacher", yes parrots can talk, yes they can talk but it's basically what they can do in the context. That's the classical formula when you don't understand what you read : "Get a teacher !"

@Burns-bass Don't worry I know discover the double bass, Cole Davis, François Rabbath, not in person but I know who they are. I know what to watch, if there weren't internet, I would probably be stuck with a teacher instead of playing with people. Not a lot of double bassists around me but they are very supportive, they say it took me time to understand I needed to play the double bass.