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this is [i]why[/i]

Travis Barker

needs to [b]die[/b]

I was just listening to Nuclear Burn before I came on here, weird. Percy Jones has subconsciously influenced my playing and writing quite a bit...

P-basses

[quote name='ironside1966' post='949933' date='Sep 8 2010, 09:38 PM']There is a down side to improvising and that is it allows you to keep in you comfort zone it can be a mask to hide flaws in you playing or it can take your playing and the tune or song to new heights.
To learn a tune note for note you could learn so much more. Once you have mastered the original part then you have earned the right to improvise. The skill of a musician is knowing when to and when not to improvise having the ability to make an informed choice for the good of the music because he or she as the ability to do both. You are part of a musical arrangement the fact that it is working well with the other elements is what’s important .

The amount of people I have met who bang on about musical integrity when really their only concern is to show off their musical talents and I use the term loosely with no concept of the rest of tune or arrangement.
There is no right or wrong answers to whether you should improvise it are just the right or wrong reasons to do so.[/quote]

I hope I'm not contradicting myself when I say I agree with this entirely. I should have just said that the ability to improvise well, to add to a song and not take from it, is what I strive for personally as a musician.

[quote name='silddx' post='949860' date='Sep 8 2010, 08:49 PM']I simply can not agree with that. You can play the same notes time and again and put across entirely different levels of passion and commitment, mood and involvement. You are saying repetition of notes has ever decreasing power in a live situation. It's just not true.[/quote]

I should mention that most of the gigs I've done have been where I've had to learn songs in their entirety, I understand the buzz you get from playing different venues, the different levels of passion and commitment, but I simply don't care for it much. I get the biggest buzz when the drums and guitar quieten down and I realise that I have about a minute to say something to the audience with my bass. On the other hand, you could just argue that we are bass players, and no ones even paying any attention anyway.

[quote name='silddx' post='949860' date='Sep 8 2010, 08:49 PM']You can have an immense amount of fun and passion with the same notes every time.[/quote]

You can, I can't. And what does it matter at the end of the day...

[quote name='silddx' post='948783' date='Sep 7 2010, 08:50 PM']For me, improvisation on a bass is for jazz and pompous tits who convince themselves it's entertaining. I wish they would realise NO-ONE GIVES A sh*t.[/quote]

[size=7]IMO[/size]

bass improv is wicked. I care. learning and playing a song note for note live is like having nothing to say, well you might have [i]had[/i] something to say, but please let's just move on, it's tiring... I have all the time in the world for a bassist improvising with a decent drummer who locks in, it's magic.

quick edit*
and of course, it's all about a structured improv. if the bassist is twiddling and soloing for the sake of it, then I'm probably not even at the gig in the first place.

my very first live performance was on guitar, the first song we played and my favourite from the set was Orange Juice - Rip It Up. I was 16, and later that year I did an open mic sorta thing with my mum, playing bass on man who sold the world by Bowie. did them both drunk as hell and was still nervous.

King Crimson - eleKtriK

other music just seems totally irrelevant right now.

[quote name='velvetkevorkian' post='946812' date='Sep 6 2010, 12:10 AM']
Om nom nom nom.[/quote]

this is the one I had in mind, but they're constantly changing them...

[quote name='velvetkevorkian' post='946261' date='Sep 5 2010, 03:39 PM']I'd love to (I really want one of the 8 string guitars they do!) but the lack of warranty for sales outside North America puts me right off, unfortunately.[/quote]

I was considering buying one of their 8 strings when I had money, and after talking to some brits on youtube that have actually bought from there, they have all been okay. Next time I have money to waste I'm definitely buying one.

all the good old stuff, but most recently, buckethead's new(ish) album:





takes me back to COLMA and Electric Tears, but not as melancholy.

usually handshakes with drunk people, once got a compliment from a bassist from one of the other bands that played. at the end of the day, it's enough for me.

P-basses... I don't know why I don't like them, they just don't push any buttons. They're versatile as hell, which is why I want to love them. At the end of the day, I'm just drawn to something that sounds unique and amazing to my ears (ie most jazzes and some warwicks).

I would tap this, though. If anyone wants to buy it for me, go ahead...



pretty please

[quote name='risingson' post='936611' date='Aug 25 2010, 11:51 PM']Sting and Jaco Pastorius are completely different players and writers, alike in no way I can think of in particular apart from some of their vague jazz sensibilities. Sting is a massively talented writer, by the same logic you could probably argue that Jaco could have never written 'Seven Days'. If you're a jazz fan then you should listen closer to Stings solo stuff... Vinnie Colaiuta, Darryl Jones, Kenny Kirkland, Omar Hakim, Branford Marsalis, Christian McBride... some of the best jazz musicians to ever live all under 3 or 4 albums.[/quote]

I'm a fan of almost anything (with a shred of integrity, of course), and grew up listening to more Sting than Jaco. I have nothing but respect for the dude, but I was just trying to put across the point that I think Jaco was just as good a song writer. not better or worse, that's impossible to define, but I just don't agree with notion that Jaco was merely an "instrument operator". that's the only thing I took issue with...

moving on though... I will give his solo albums a listen and no doubt I'll probably like the f*** out of them.

[quote name='silddx' post='936207' date='Aug 25 2010, 06:04 PM']Umm, it's not a competition

That Jaco song is not something I would ever want to hear again. Only the drums and voice make it funky. If I wanted to hear bass like that I would choose Hit Me With Your Rhythm Stick, which is much more listen-able, and a really good song.

It's Just Jaco showing off again, which is what he nearly always does. That's not a song, its a bass idea with music and vocal around it. The only thing I liked about it is that drum drop which makes the music lurch beautifully. That's it for me. Otherwise I would just switch off.[/quote]

wasn't making it a competition, just pointing something out that I didn't agree with personally. and although I disagree, that's fair enough, to each his own (:

[quote name='silddx' post='935657' date='Aug 25 2010, 09:29 AM']It is why I can't get into [b]Jaco[/b], Wooten, Alain Caron, etc. They are not songwriters, they are instrument operators with enormous facility.[/quote]

hate to always defend Jaco, but I'd love to see Sting write a song like this



not meaning to sound disrespectful to Sting, I actually quite like most of his stuff, but Jaco was as good a songwriter as any.

obviously you're not all ready for our ground breaking music, that's fine! just kidding of course - if you think it's bad, I would be grateful if you could tell me why.

was listening to this for the first time in a while earlier, I almost forgot how good it was...



give it a chance and listen to the whole thing

[quote name='faceman' post='933274' date='Aug 23 2010, 12:55 AM']+1 - I'm enjoying him but he's no Martyn[/quote]

yeah, and I know what I'd prefer my (non existent) kids listening to... not saying I would tell them what to listen though, it would be up to them.

as good as he is, when you type "john ma" into youtube, John Martyn should be the first suggestion.

*edit*
not trying to turn this thread into "dissing john mayer", I quite like a lot of his stuff, especially his trio.

So yesterday I had the guitarist from the blues band I'm in to come lay down some guitar in my home studio (I say home studio, I mean an amp, audio interface and Reaper). We jammed for a bit and came up with the riffs and got a rough structure down. Some parts work really well in my opinion, whilst some I'm unsure of. Composition and arrangement has never been my strong point, so any critique and advice is appreciated. Once we get a final structure down we will take care to get decent tones (I'll get him to bring his valve amp and I'll mic it up).

Should also mention; there's no bass yet... I have way too much ideas for it, and I can't decide on what to use. There's that and the fact I have trouble getting a formidable bass tone.

From a production standpoint, it's compressed to hell as I don't have much experience with mastering (or production for that matter).

[attachment=57239:Untitled...astered_.mp3]

[quote name='deksawyer' post='932957' date='Aug 22 2010, 06:37 PM']Beacons of Ancestorship by Tortoise. Bloomin marvelous.

I love the drumming in track 2 Prepare Your Coffin.

D.[/quote]

the chemistry in that band is insane. perfect music to my ears. must go listen to the taut and tame...

guitar: allan holdsworth
bass: pastorius
keys: joe zawinul
drums: tony williams

not sure how well they would get a long. jaco would probably ruin it, although the thought of holdsworth eventually breaking down and telling jaco to shut the f*** up is hilarious. they could have all ended up with amazing chemistry, but we'll never know (apart from holdsworth and williams).

as I always end up saying, jazz for me is about being in the moment. it's always an intense and emotional experience, it's better than drugs or alcohol. jazz is the only genre that can take me there, you probably have yours and it doesn't really matter what it is. I don't "get" rap or hip hop, and it doesn't bother me, I just don't listen to it.

this one takes me there, sometimes it even forgets to bring me back.