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3 hours ago, Rosie C said:
Ah, my back hurts just thinking about anything bigger than 6U !
Not getting any sympathy here! Preparing some racks for another season on the road:
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15 hours ago, wintoid said:
Thanks for the update! Any idea whether those containers might contain any of the bass DI and DI+?
I don’t think so.
Also, I saw that Thomann just updated their EU site to reflect what they have due to arrive.
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To follow up on the availability (as I promised earlier), it appears that some dealers/distributors ordered more guitar products and less (or no) bass products because as a dealer they are more invested in then guitar side than the bass side (a few sell no bass products except for special order). Those dealers more focused on bass apparently ordered and sold out of their allotment right out the gate, hence the backorder status. The good news is that there are more containers landing in Europe shortly and there is bass products in them. Cabinets are still in somewhat shorter supply because we just can't build enough of them as fast as we really need to and insure that the fit & finish is maintained.
Hope this helps.
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33 minutes ago, tobiewharton said:
You're right, GK aren't Mesa. I mentioned them as an American-made Class D competitor. I'd consider them a premium choice but acknowledge that that's very much a matter of opinion.
If we're comparing with Aguilar and Bergantino in the UK, one can currently get an Aggy TH500 for £800 or a Berg neo 410 for £1500. I just don't see the comparisons you're making.
This is all inconsequential of course - any products are worth the price that people are prepared to pay for them, which has always been and continues to be absolutely fine. I'm just not sure who those people are intended to be in this case and I'm dubious that they're the same people that were targeted in the past. I've absolutely no issue with companies going 'exclusive', as mentioned in earlier posts by others, but I do prefer those companies to call a spade a spade.
The Berganitno Forte D is £1200 at Bass Direct and the Aguilar AH700 is £1169 at PMT UK and the Darkglass Microtubes 900 is £1169 at Andertons. These are actually more similar to the D-800 than the D-800+, but in the ballpark based on feature set. The D-800 is £1149 at Andertons, also well within the ballpark.
My point is that there are other brands that are priced in the same range as Mesa (I'm talking about Bass gear, I don't know anything about the Guitar side).
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46 minutes ago, tobiewharton said:
Am I missing something here? Anderton's has the Subway D-350 at £900 and the GK Legacy 800 at £850? The Subway D-800+ is £1250 from the same retailer.
Yes, and the Subway amps are not GK amps. If a lower price is what you are interested in, there are plenty of good options out there. Mesa is not the lower cost option, it’s on par with Bergantino and Aguilar however (who are also not a lower cost option IME)
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I don’t know much about the whole lifestyle thing, and I would not be a lifestyle product customer myself.
On the bass side of things, the Subway amps are pretty much in line with the costs of other non-Chinese built, premium products.
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There was absolutely nothing condescending intended about a product not being a good fit for a particular player. It may be the price, the size, the weight, the tone, the dynamics, the cosmetics, etc.
If anything, I would be the first one to agree with different amps or different brands for different players. I don’t understand why anyone would argue otherwise?
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Just CONFIRM that any amp you might be looking at that requires a conversion actually has a universal primary transformer. This is not always the case, and some amps may be shipped with a region specific transformer even though others of the same model may not. I see this a lot.
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2 hours ago, tobiewharton said:
Interesting thread...
Forums like BC are such a great source of many things, from bon homie to amusing belligerence, and I'm sure we're all partial to the full gamut from time to time.
This particular one irks me -
These amps and cabs? Not on your nelly! I like Mesa stuff but these are priced out of the market for the majority of players. I earn good money from music and there isn't a world where I'd shell out for these products over, say, GK's offerings.
I couldn't give two hoots where things are made per se, as long as the product, buyer experience and aftercare are fit for purpose. On the contrary, if I feel like I'm being taken the piss out of it leaves a sour taste, regardless of some superiority delusion masquerading as 'provenance'.
Of course this is all my opinion, but it's not lost on me that I am in the relatively unusual position of having the funds and work to justify considering equipment that is towards the pricier end of retail. These are beyond that and yet are not a luxury; luxury is commissioning a build with a craftsman (like Jon Shuker for example, whose skill, time and flexibility add a unique and personal value), not preordering on Anderton's.
Then it’s pretty clear that Mesa amps aren’t for you. Nothing wrong with that, but you speak for yourself and fortunately not for others who may disagree with your perspective.
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3 hours ago, JohnR said:
I bypass the preamp in my amp and connect the Magellan Pre to the amp fx return socket. This allows me to use the amp as a poweramp and control volume from the pedal.
This is generally the way it was designed to be used, to drive a power amp. Stacking one preamp on top of another may result in voicing conflicts which generally don’t sound all that great. It can be done, there are just more things to think about.
If using it into the instrument input of a bass amp, the bass amp should be set for an active bass or low gain input.
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Without seeing the power transformer, there’s no way to know. They MAY use a different transformer in the European builds. Just because the chassis can be marked 230/240V doesn’t automatically mean that it has a universal primary transformer.
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That's an 8-32 x .250" undercut flat head Phillips, (not a standard flat head,, has to be undercut to work with the sheet metal thickness).
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18 hours ago, Stub Mandrel said:
The critical thing is avoiding exposure to any electric supply until dry. Washing in clean, if not deionised, water helps.
My daughter dropped an early iphone in an upland stream, I got it and switched it off within about ten seconds although the screen was already psychedelic. It went on to last years.
I've heard firsthand reports of boards being cleaned in dishwashers successfully, and rescued things saturated in coffee by washing them.
Most vulnerable are mechanical parts like switches, relays and potentiometers. And edge connects if not gold plated .
The number of attempted repairs that ends unsuccessfully is grossly under-reported, because mostly "success stories" are the ones folks "brag" about.
Since we have to warranty our repairs, this changes the metrics because we don't want amps coming back again and again with continuing issues. Not only is this extremely costly, but it also impacts the customer's further trust in the products.
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It’s another option, though the turnaround time in the factory service program is usually only a day or two.
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Now that you have experienced flood damage, get that gear up off the floor!
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It’s very similar in architecture to the Shuttle line.
If you come to the states, or have family/friends traveling, there’s no problem getting your Shuttle fixed up. Stan Lawrence at Surrey Amps in the UK can also work on them with factory support.
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Can you post a picture of which screws? There are 3 different sizes used on that chassis.
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2 hours ago, Chienmortbb said:
Although we left the stupidly left the EU in 2019, I believe that the UK is still part of Europe.
Yes, it looks like the marketing folks need a little refresher on modern history.
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7 hours ago, BassmanPaul said:
Thank @agedhorse I believe he designed them!!
I did, sure glad to see them back in Europe.
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7 hours ago, bassace97 said:
Just picked up these cabs today so Mesa is definitely available in the uk now!
Nice to see a rocking rig on the other side of the pond!
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4 hours ago, simondee said:
OMG this thread. Frankly I’m just glad Mesa is available again and we have an official customer service point in the UK.
Will the Gibson Garage service bass amps too?
I don’t know exactly how the service program will work, but I confirmed that Surrey Amps in the UK should be part of the service program.
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10 hours ago, Stub Mandrel said:
Late to this, but electronic components are almost univerally waterproof if they are not powered up. Dry it out and it should recover.
The issue is where the leads enter the component body. That area is vulnerable to corrosion when the water is not deionized. The same applies to the solder on the PCB, the tin becomes sacrificial and corrodes.
My experience is that even if it is working, down the road failure will be much higher.
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Following up. here's the latest update:
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Properly harnessed racks are much more common in the pro audio side of things, we built up hundreds of racks for clients and never had any issues with servicing them. One thing about well organized (structured) wiring is that it's much easier to troubleshoot overall and it tends to be more reliable because everything is thought out in advance and executed according to the drawings.
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Genzler Magellan Pre
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Posted · Edited by agedhorse
The Magellan pre is a full, complete preamp. It’s designed to drive a power amp or effects return of a bass amp. Because it is a preamp with the function of bringing instrument level signal up to full line level, bypassing the preamp defeats the primary and principle job that the preamp was designed for.
Most comprehensive preamps have already evolved to top mounted jacks, this is becoming the standard which makes sense given the number of connections. Even in the guitar world this is becoming much more common.