KinkMaster

Amps

Orange TB 500 MK1 and EBS 4x10 neoline

Ampeg ba-210 (combo)

HH-vs bass 100w

Looking for orange little bass thing, and maybe a good 2x10 cab (looking forward to the new barefaced 3x10😁😁)

13 hours ago, 2x18 said:

I think that spec above is for the Mark 2 version.

 

Will.

Exactly, mk1 is 500w in both 4 and 8 ohm's 

what I need are effects, but the point is that for the amount I'm going to spend, bass Butler + the Drop, I can buy a multi effects, and I'm not sure if it's worth it!!!!!!

I the zoom I already have, as well as the Tu2 boss.

I don't think the "tune down" zoom emulator is very good, so I consider buying the Digitech drop

Hello friends, once again I come to ask for suggestions, I have my pedalboard decided, and it is between analog pedals or a multi-effects, for analog pedals, orange bass Butler+Digitech drop+boss Tu2 and to play at home a zoom b3n, and the investment is more or less the same, as for a multi effects line6 hx stomp, pod go, or zoom b6, if on the one hand the first case (analog) works for what I want, on the other hand for the same money (approximate) I can have a multi effects!!!!!!!  what would be your decision and why??  I'm really in doubt.

I my friend,  where in Spain are you?

5 hours ago, PigBass said:

Thanks for that KinkMaster, I was sure I'd read that somewhere when I originally bought my Terror Bass 500 Mk1 but just couldn't find it again so assumed I had dreamt it 😄. When I originally searched on the Orange support site this is what I found:

 

1. SPEAKER OUTPUTS Refer to ‘Before Using Your Amplifier’. Make sure the correct speaker load and power handling is connected or that the DI is connected!
Total minimum impedance = 4Ω (Ohms). Speaker outputs are wired in parallel (Speakon connector only).
Full output power = 500 Watts @ 4Ω (Ohms).

2. SPEAKER IMPEDANCE SWITCHMake sure this switch matches your speakers impedance.

 

So no reference to max power at 8 Ohms, but I searched again just now and found the manual version you referred to. I also found the circuit diagrams on line and the 4/8 Ohm switch does seem to add a 30K (not 2.2K as Joe says) resistor but I am certainly not clever enough to fully understand the diagram. 

 

All in all I am still confused as to the real answer, as are Orange apparently.

 

Darren.

 

Yes, a lot of confusion!!!!! To my Best understanding, the resistor will "trick" the amp to drop the "overall impedance" letting you extract the maximum power!!!! The magical question is, with the toggle in 4ohms(no resistor) and a 8ohms load, will it drop the power ?? That's the point for not burning the 250w cab!!!!

9 hours ago, PigBass said:

Hello KinkMaster, there is another thread on here that has essentially turned into this discussion. I contacted Orange tech support because I also believed the TerrorBass Mk1 delivered 500W into 8 Ohms and 4 Ohms but according to them it is not the case, it will put 250W into an 8 Ohm cab. This is simplifying the situation somewhat and Bill Maurice's explanations/comments are very helpful as usual.

 

The explanation from Orange:

 

Hi Darren,

 

The impedance switch works more like a limit switch.

The switch is connected to a limiter circuit. When 4 ohms is selected it bypasses an additional resistor, when in 8 ohms the circuit engages this additional 2.2k resistor.

This is to get the most out of your signal when matching impedance.

I don’t believe there to be any difference in this circuit from MK1 and MK2

I hope this is helpful.

 

Kind regards,

Joe

 

I believe you, but in that case orange scrub up !!!!!! Please read the following in the user manual TB 500/1000(500MK1)

Hi guys, I'm in the process of buying amp and cab (second stuff for rehearsal room),I sold the old stuff, gk backline 600 and 4x10,and I want to buy something with 2x10 preferably, the competitors are Markbass little mark black line and Markbass traveler 102p 4 ohms (all new), or terror bass MK1 used and Harley Benton solidbass 210t (new) and the question is, is the MK1 safe on the 210t?  the MK1 provides the 500w in 4 and 8 ohms, I run the risk of burning the cab!!!!

I people, want to buy a pedal, features, especially for pre amplifier, valued additional, distortion, compression and di, for the amount I have available, I have this choices, HLX battalion, MXR M80 bass di, Ampeg SRC DI Tech 21 SansAmp Character VT Bass DI, Tech 21 Bass Driver DI V2, Aguiar tone hammer, any more suggestions up to 300 € max ????  thanks

On 11/08/2021 at 14:06, Skybone said:

 

 

Which is why I think something like a Tech21 Bass Fly Rig v2 would be ideal.

 

However, the OP seems set on the EBS MicroBass III. I have no doubts that it's a fine pedal, and will serve his purposes well.

I've been watching tech 21, but it's not as complete, it's more like the orange bass Butler

On 11/08/2021 at 13:33, SumOne said:

I'd perhaps consider if one 'do it all' pedal is the best option.

 

If I had no pedals and a £300 budget I'd get separate second hand pedals that could each potentially do their individual jobs better:

 

- Practice tool: Zoom b1 four for home use (headphone, Aux in, drum machine, looper, and all the other occasional fx) (£50)

 

And if you don't want to use that for live stuff and want other core microbass 3 things covered:

 

- Tuner: A separate tuner has a more obvious screen. (I just got a Korg Pitchblack micro for £30)

- EQ pedal. Potentially can do more than a 'do it all' pedal EQ, I just got a source audio EQ v1 for £70 which has 8 bands +-18dB that can be saved in 4x presets you can select by footswitch. 

- Compressor, could get something like a spectracomp second hand for about £50 which you could fine tune to your setup and stomp on/off when needed. 

- Distortion: Something like the Source Audio Aftershock for about £100 would cover more distortion sounds. 

- DI. Is it needed? Amps have DI out and if playing ampless then how are you monitoring? If it is needed there are cheap utity XLR DI pedals. 

 

 

 

 

yes it could be an option, I already have a good tuner Boss tu 2, but if on the one hand it's more reliable, if one breaks down the others are fine, it's much more to take with me, and on the other hand, if I buy EBS or Gallien Krueger level stuff, I spend a lot more money!! !  the solution of a good "all in one" for me is ideal, now the "right choice" is still a doubt, despite being very inclined towards EBS, I haven't decided yet, I was more inclined towards a used one, but nothing appears

2 hours ago, Al Krow said:

You will get parallel routing options on the Helix, but not on the Ampero or Zoom. The plastic construction on the Zoom B1-4 is pretty robust though and you get metal on the B3N. 

as i thought, well i have to choose between ebs microbass 3 and gallien krueger plex, I think this two are the most complete....

6 hours ago, andruca said:

One more vote for multi-FX. Start Zoom if you want it cheap (still most bang for the buck IME). I've been a SansAmp guy since forever, mostly an RBI, nowadays in my studio just for recording really. I've had Zoom's small multi-FX since about 2000 (BFX-708, 708II, B2.1u, then MS-60B, which now coexists with a G1Xon, B3 and G3). The last 2 generations sound AMAZING. I've also dabbed into the newest generation (B3n, B1four/Xfour), indeed I owned a B1X Four for some time and had plenty of oportunity to A/B it with the MS-60B, and I sticked with the previous gen. because the four (and some B3ns I had also tried, just not A/Bed) sounds boxier and a little noisy in comparison. Really, if I'm 100% result driven about this I'll never spend much more than Zoom range. I've used POD, GT-6B (noisy!, also Boss' "modules" paradigm is so obsolete) and many other more expensive gadgets. IME Zoom kills them all. Only other thing I'd be interested in these days is Mod Devices' Dwarf, just because I like open-source stuff and the infinite interconnectivity (still I've yet to hear decent bass demos of it -modern sansampey/darkglassey stuff-). Just as an example, I've built a Guma Drive pedal (B3K clone, my bro' did all of the soldering in fact), which I love, but in all honesty my honeymoon with it lasted for about 2 weeks, until I took about 1 hour to replicate such "darkglassey" tone in my G1Xon (firmware customized with all bass relevant stuff from the B1Xon).

 

 

So, other than the fact that browsing thru' menus and fiddling with parameters is not for everyone, I see no other argument to look elsewhere. TONE IS DEFINITELY THERE and functionality is HUGE, you just have to take your time tweaking. IME they blow any preamp/comp/EQ pedal out of the water for a tiny fraction of the cost (you can have a used B1on/Xon -can chain 5 FX- for like 30€ 'round here). No brainer.

Yes I do understand the argument, if I go for multi FX, I will go for the hotone ampero, I think that bang for your buck is the best ( road "gig" worthy, studio worthy, rehearsal worthy and home silent practice) as for the boss and zoom not my favorite (plastic construction), from what i've seen, helix do everything and a pair of boots, but i haven't seen in hotone, for example, build a double parallel signal, for example to replicate the signal of a bass Butler or ebs microbass, the goal was to create a parallel way, with compressor in the bass and distortion in the mids and highs

1 hour ago, Skybone said:

 

My point was that the POD Go is £360, has 14 Bass specific preamp/amp models & 7 cab models, an loads of effects. It is possible to build a fabulous sound for stage and studio, and have loads of possibilities to take your sound where you want. It's not bad if you have a guitar as well. Headphone out as well.

 

Like @Al Krow said, the Zoom B1 Four gives you all that for the princely sum of £65. Or there's the Zoom B3n for about £185. Both with headphone out. There's a B3n in the For Sale section for a very reasonable price.

 

Alternatively, the Tech21 Bass Fly Rig v2 has 2 different preamps built in, as well as giving you a compressor, a fuzz/ovtave, chorus and tuner. Loads of flexibility there for about the same price as the EBS. There's a fantastic Tech21 VT Bass Deluxe in the For Sale section, which gives you 6 preamp's in a DI capable pedal. No headphone out though.

 

I was merely suggesting some alternatives that you might want to consider, as they are all very viable solutions in a similar price range. 

 

Of course, you are free to make your own mind up, it is after all, your money. Whatever you choose, enjoy it.

Right I understand the thinking, but I would prefer something simpler, hence I'm leaning towards ebs, the big advantage I see, for me, in a multi-effects, is the fact of having two or three sets always available, studio, rehearsals, and gigs, with change of a single button, the zoom or even the GT bosses, for me it doesn't work, I think the ones are too fragile, the helix too expensive, for a multi it would be a hotone or Valenton, nux etc. up to around €370 max

2 hours ago, Skybone said:

If you're after a "Do It All" preamp, then why not look at something like a Multi-FX?

 

The MicroBass 3 is around £310-330, the Darkglass pedals are between £280-£500 for the ADAM.

 

You could look at something like the Tech21 Bass Fly Rig v2, which will give you not only 2 flavours of modelling preamp (BDDI & VT Bass), but also include a Compressor, Chorus, Tuner and an Octafilter/Fuzz, in one box, which retails for about the same price as the EBS.

 

Something like a POD Go, or a HX Stomp, which have all the amp/cab/effect models you could want will set you back around £360-500. Caveat, just bought a POD Go, and very pleased with it so far.

 

Guess it boils down to what you want to acheive with the preamp.

The multi-fx is to expensive, except the hotone ampero, but it's more for guitar, then bass, I don't use 10% of the effects, I just want a simple and good compressor and distortion, to blend with the clean tone, like the bass Butler, but now with de ebs it as the tuner aux in and headphones out. The question is ? Is there another like it ??(same features?

The ebs microbass 3 double's as a silent practice all in one headphones amp

7 minutes ago, jrixn1 said:

I have been using and really liking the EBS preamps, so that's my recommendation; but you can also consider the TC Electronic Spectradrive, if you can find one (are they discontinued?), or Palmer Pocket Bass (no compression though).
https://www.tcelectronic.com/product.html?modelCode=P0D9D

https://www.palmer-germany.com/en/products/guitar-effects/5140/pocket-amp-bass

Tank's for the advice, but I think the TC doesn't split the signal!!! I will probably go with the ebs microbass 3. 

Hello guys, I need a "do it all", EBS microbass 3 type, the main functions are compressor, distortion, with auxiliary input and headphone output, the new ones from darkglass, the EBS microbass and what else ??  suggestions?  os: you have to separate the signal for and have a blend.  thanks

Hello guys, I would like to hear opinions about this machine, ebs neoline 410, who has it? what do you think?? Thanks

I friends, and tanks for the feedback, my main amp is a TB500 MK1 so the little bastard,will deliver the full 500w at either 4 or 8 ohms, so any single cab "stack" must deliver minimum of 500w at 8 ohms, i already have a 4x10 eden cab 600w 4 ohms,  that i used to couple with my other amp ( 300w at 4 ohms), there for wanting a "powerful" single light weight cab, just for band practice and small gigs, for larger stages i will go with the 4x10 (my favorite sound) , maybe will try to sell the obc 212 iso and try to buy a barefaced, but used,  due the lack of cash, and here in Portugal they are very rare, and the ones that show up are mainly the "12 speaker. 

46 minutes ago, Bill Fitzmaurice said:

Is it worth it? From the standpoint of output, yes, because a 212 isobaric only plays as loud as a standard configuration 112. But you can't just pull one driver out of the 212 box and expect it to function optimally. You'd need to build two cabs, with the cab design compatible with the driver Thiele/Small specs.

Yes, and in that way, I would I keep the original cab for who knows, one day they would sell it !!! a sheet of plywood is not expensive glue and screws are not lacking, only the desire to "work" lol

Lower the weight, get more out of the two 12-speaker. I honestly don't think it's very profitable to have two 12 speakers behind each other !!!!  My favorite sound is 4x10, but this cab came in a business, I already have a 4x10 and this 212, so I would have  2 x12 at 8 ohms separately (I think the speakers are 8 ohms, if they're not out of the question  )  and one 4x10 at 4 ohms

Hello friends, I have an Orange obc 212 Isobaric, and I was thinking of modifying it by removing one of the speakers and building a second speaker cab, I would like to get opinions, is it worth it?

Good afternoon friends, at this moment my rig is composed of  GK backline 600 head and  Ashdown mag 410t deep speaker cab.

I'm thinking of buying a rig from eden, terra nova, tn501 bass head and TN410 4 ohms speaker cab. 

I'm tired of looking on YouTube and on forums and I don't find a lot of inf, does anyone here have or have already played? Recommendations ? Pros and cons? If I buy, the gk is not for sale, but Ashdown is, so eden TN410 would remain as the only cab, no spare's. 

Tanks