SamPlaysBass

John’s playing on Grace and Danger by John Martyn is some of my favourite bass playing ever. Rest in Peace, John. 
 

Effortless fretless with the most wonderful, expressive playing. 

On 05/05/2023 at 17:29, choob.squeemer said:

Hmmmm  - very interesting    so you ended up with the Fender 8 x 10   cab  

 

I have a Genz Benz  8 x 10  Uber cab here in storage  

 

only just read this thread now , maybe you would like to have tried it 

 

maybe you would still like to try it - Im only down the road in Cardiff

That would’ve fit the bill - the Fender is still a wonderful cab but you’ve got to give it the Genz stuff. Wonderfully engineered. Shame

about it being late! 

So, a few gigs in and some observations on the ol' Sampeg Stack. 

The Fender Neo 8x10 is a doddle to cart about. Much easier than I expected to get up a flight of stairs due to its shape and handy handles on the bottom. I've even had the guitarist offer to help me take the cab up the stairs whereas he used to take a wide berth around my old 4x10. The sound/monitoring on stage is spectacular and to feel the air move around me is lovely. The drummer likes it because he can hear me at ear level and the sound guy is happy because it does some heavy lifting in smaller venues. FYI - I'm also very responsive to our sound guy because ultimately they are god in a live show. 

On the rare occasion I'm too loud, I use the magic volume knob and take it down a few notches. It's still visceral, even at lower volumes, and makes me enjoy playing live more than my old rig. It sounds great, looks good on stage. I'm very happy with it.

As it's a lot lighter than a traditional 8x10, I'm not afraid to lever it up onto a stage on my own. I can't say I'm noticing a huge difference with the sealed/unsealed cabs I've used in the past so I can't comment on which I prefer. Either way, I always use ear protection as the speakers are closer to my ears. Unlike my last rig, I genuinely don't mind using ear plus as now I can feel the notes as I play them.

Shoutout to the Ampeg SVT CL as well - a wonderful bit of kit.

IMG_4731.heicObligatory practice room pic. 

Sam

Thanks, itu. It’s literally a clean, non-EQ DI that can provide a pure clean signal to FOH. I’ve got a SansAmp and the big amp for the good sound. I just need a solid, reliable and slightly pleasing clean signal to combine with my buggery of FX and EQ shaping! 
 

Thomann suggestions is a shout 👍🏻 

I’m looking to run a clean DI to the FOH in combination with a mic’d cab and/or DI from the head. I’ve been borrowing various venues’ DI boxes which vary in quality from Behringer silver boxes to Radials and ancient Countryman units which look ‘well loved’. This is at the suggestion of our sound guy who uses a two channels for bass: one dirty/effects/EQ’d signal and another for a clean DI to blend in and fill out the lower frequencies. 
 

Speaking to the sound guy, he likes the Radial J48 as it gives the signal a little boost (passive P bass and a Ric 4003) but he’s said there’s lots of options. He’s even run an Aggie Tone Hammer pedal with the EQ flat for a good clean tone in the past.
 

As I’m waiting for responses from said sound guy, anyone got any good experiences with straight DI pedals? I don’t need EQ options and already have a SansAmp/SVT CL for heavy lifting. 
 

I’ve tried an Acme Motown DI in a studio and that was lovely, but it’s passive. And expensive. Same for a REDDI and Noble, though I’ve not tried them. 
 

So, suggestions for a ‘buy once, buy right’ clean DI to go after my tuner to give my sound guy a clean signal to be blended with the dirty? 
 

Acme Audio, J48, Countryman 85, RNDI feedback all welcome! 

3 hours ago, BassmanPaul said:

Merthyr Tydfil eh? Nice town.

 

In the early Seventies I helped commission your telephone exchange!! LOL

That’s still cutting edge technology around here! 
 

The cassette tape has taken Merthyr by storm. Those and the horseless carriage 🤯 

Well, this is what I’ve ended up with. 
 

45kg for the cab and 40kg for the head. Not bad! 

Sounds monstrous. The Fender NEO 8x10 is surprisingly hifi - different flavour to Ampeg but I like it a lot. Turn the tweeter down and it’s got the Ampeg 8x10 flavour. Just over a month or so until I get to give it a proper gig bashing. 
 

(Queue the ‘my back hurts just looking at it…’ comments 🤦🏼‍♂️ ) 

4 hours ago, BigRedX said:

 

Looks like more Fender copies to me....

If that’s what you want. Or if you wanted something a bit less traditional I’m sure you could have a chat with Bruce and he’d be happy to design something. There’s an Explorer-esque design on his Instagram which looks interesting which I believe to be a custom design for a customer. 
 

https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cmok_q3K39P/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=

What’s drawing me to Bassworks is the engineering solutions behind things like the neck pocket and the fret ends. Some designs are evolutionary rather than revolutionary, but all are logical and solve issues I’ve seen on basses I own/have owned. 

Second for @Bassworks. Bruce has got some really innovative designs and extensive engineering experience. New breed for UK luthiers and I’m genuinely excited by the engineering he’s putting into his basses. 
 

http://www.bassworks.co.uk/home 

I found the CTM 100 to ‘default’ to a rock amp. It had some beautiful overtones and broke up without being crazy loud. Not loads of bottom end and the EQ was very narrow, but plenty of grit and mids/highs. The first gig I did a few years back with my (now sold) CTM 100 I used my old Stingray which sounded great. Switched to a Squier Precision with roundwounds to try out my then new acquisition and it came ALIVE. Think John Entwistle Live at Leeds tone. No pedals, just P bass, rounds and gain and volume. 
 

A couple of regulars commented on the sound of the P bass and usually they’re too taken with the keys player’s hand acrobatics to comment on the bass. Loved it, did the rock thing very well. 
 

I ended up selling it a year or so later after using it at an originals funk / soul gig with a 5 string Fender Professional Jazz and an Ampeg HE410 cab. It just wasn’t deep or clean enough, and wanted to break up at too low a volume to be useful. Great amp, wrong application. 
 

P bass, Pick, rounds, CTM 100 = 🤘🏻 

4 hours ago, BigRedX said:

But don't kid yourself that it is making any contribution to the bass guitar sound the audience hears at most of your gigs or even what the rest of your band can hear on stage.

This is what the rational side of my brain knows and yet I’ve bypassed sensibility in favour of playing what I see my heroes playing.

On a practical level, 100% agree with everything and realistically I could turn up with nothing more than a bass, tuner, a SansAmp and a couple of leads and play Wembley tomorrow. However, a £400 Sire will do nearly everything a Pre-CBS Fender does, but dare I say many people would choose the vintage option over the sensible if the position allowed for it? I would, because I feel I would enjoy the opportunity to use something that is regarded as special in a hobby/line of work. It’s more an emotive decision than an engineering solution. 

In the (hopefully distant) future, I’ll no doubt get to the point where I’ll need to go lightweight/ampless etc. and hopefully I’ll pass on my rig to another young SamPlaysBass in a few years time, most likely at huge financial loss to me. 
 

To shave the fat off my question, is a ported 8x10 with a tweeter vastly different in sound to a sealed Ampeg 8x10? 

11 minutes ago, fretmeister said:

 

 

I was only half serious with the descriptions for sound but as I wrote it, it seemed to make some sense at some level.

Whether my gronky is the same as another player's gronky is a completely different kettle of grizzgrindywallop.

 I know what you mean, I was being genuine in my reply haha. 
 

I always think of Ampeg 8x10s as pushing the air over me without a load of bottom or top end. Always nicely balanced, but mid focused to a certain extent. 

My current ported cabs tend to throw more low end frequencies out. Not bad, but different. I like the mid focused tone of a sealed cab but always wondered if a ported cab ever too much in an 8x10 configuration. 
 

Also, just to wade into the mix, we’ve got a band van and we’re pretty hands-on when it comes to load-ins. This cab will never be in a car or used down the Dog & Duck - I’ve got a TC RH750 and RS112 cabs for that. It’s a pure band acquisition that will be toured around the UK and Europe in a rock/soul band setting.

16 hours ago, walshy said:

So I have a mix of Ampeg heads SVT and SVT2 Pro along with the beautiful Ampeg 8x10 and the Barefaced 6x10. My conclusions are -

 

SVT and Matching 8x10 - Absolute heaven

SVT and Barefaced 6x10 - Absolute heaven but much lighter

 

That’s a dream room right there, Walshy!

Down to brass tacks - what are the main differences between the pair of cabs with the SVT?

Main things I’d like to know are:

• Can you hear and feel the 6x10 as much as you can the 8x10? Is the height difference of the 8x10 noticeable? 

• Is there a difference in tone or are they near enough identical?

• Is the Barefaced a compromise over the Ampeg? i.e. ‘It’s very nearly as good as the SVT but sooo much lighter etc.’ but the SVT realistically has a bit more to it.

Cheers in advance mate! 

After some thought I’m set on a big cab, as impractical as they are…

Is an 8x10 an 8x10 or is there a ‘better’ and ‘worse’ cabs 8x10 cabs? 
 

48 minutes ago, Bill Fitzmaurice said:

A pair of vertically stacked 2x10 will.

 

Sealed don't go as low. Where the bottom end is concerned a pair of ported 2x10 will match a sealed 8x10. 

Thanks, Bill. Honoured to have input from a legend!  
 

In a roundabout way, I can see that an 8x10 is not the most efficient design by any stretch and two 2x10s will work well. However, I do worry about putting a big SVT on top of a couple of 2x10, although I could just leave it on the floor and save the backache of getting it up there in the first place. 

26 minutes ago, fretmeister said:

ported- more boomy bang 

sealed - less boom more gronky grindy squidge 

This makes insanely good sense. Thank you, Fretmeister! 
 

Sealed would make more sense, less hard work for the sound engineer and less boom on stage. I’m lucky enough to be playing 500+ capacity venues fairly regularly so a big cab as much for looks as well as functionality. 

2 hours ago, Lozz196 said:

If you like your Ashdowns why not get one of their 610s or 810s?

 

From the cabs mentioned I’ve used Ampeg 610HLF and it was a really nice cab, same with the Fender 810 NEO, and of course the Ampeg 810, but having also helped move one I would never want one.

 

 

 

 

Again another great idea, I love that if a speaker ever goes pop then Mark, Dan and co. are the most helpful guys in the business for replacements and spares. They are heavy, though. Heavier than the Fender and on par with the Ampegs. 
 

Out of interest, any comments on the sound of the Fender? I’m used to Ampegs but if there is a way of shaving a few KG off, I’d be happy to entertain the thought. 

1 hour ago, fretmeister said:

Can you stretch to a Barefaced 6x10?

Even on their website it says "get the 6x10 instead of the 8x10"

 

There's been a couple come up on here over the last year. Never seen a BF 8x10 on here though.

 

Sealed cabs do sound quite different to ported ones. Ampeg sound is a lot to do with the sealed cab. Not sure you'd be happy with a ported one.

I’ve often thought about the Barefaced 6x10 and they are a real contender. I’ve never used one, so I was wondering if by the magic that Alex manages to cram into them they achieve the same ear-level monitoring as an 8x10? I’m 5ft 9” and an SVT 8x10 is a great fit to be able to hear and feel the notes. The Barefaced looks quite squat but I’m aware, having owned a Compact many moons ago, of the design and engineering that goes into them. I don’t run an 8x10 particularly loud either, it’s a tactile/haptic thing about feeling the air and movement in my body. Otherwise I’d just wear in-ears all the time if it was purely for monitoring purposes.

Also, as much as I hate to ask as describing sounds is so much more difficult than actually hearing them for yourself, but what sonic differences are there between big sealed and ported cabs? 

I’ve recently acquired my dream head - an SVT CL. I love it to pieces already and is rendering many of my pedals semi-redundant as it’s made me realise how my pedalboard was entirely geared up to try and emulate the sounds of an SVT. Long story short, I’ve got the real McCoy (except for maybe an early 70s SVT) and I love it.

In the spirit of upgrades, I’m playing through Ashdown ABM 4x10 and 2x10 cabs which do the job admirably. However, I’ve always fancied an 8x10. I’ve played many over the years and I played through one on Saturday night. There’s something so visceral about the playing experience. The air moving around you, the monitoring that having speakers so close to the ear creates - I’m sold.

The only consideration for me regarding an 8x10 is weight, and it’s more for weight in the van rather than loading purposes (though that will inevitably be a factor). 

I’d love a Barefaced 8x10, but cost is prohibitive at the minute. 
 

Fender’s 8x10 Bassman Neo is a bit lighter and comes with a tweeter, and I always have the tweeters engaged for a bit of sizzle. I’ve read that the Fender 8x10 is a ported design and I’ve never played a ported 8x10 - any major sonic differences to the sealed SVT cab?

I’ve also heard from a couple of veteran bass player mates that the Orange 8x10 is a worthy contender and that the Ampeg SVT 610 HLF is a real gem in the lineup. Meanwhile, Talkbass rates the 410 HLF as a complete dog, which seems contradictory if the 610 is essentially the same design but with 2 extra speakers and is considered a bit of a darling in the range.

I’m fortunate enough to be in a position where an 8x10 makes sense (or a 6x10, if that seems more viable). The man maths checks out but before pulling the trigger, I thought I’d ask the Basschat hive mind about a good recommendation as I’ve always found the best advice from Basschat.

So, good 8x10 (or 6x10) cab recommendations for an SVT CL that isn’t going to make a full van burst its tyres? 
 

(Pic - current set up)

He’s been active in South Wales as well. Same story, ‘double booked’, acting on behalf, no contact, taken money etc. 

Has anyone had any face to face dealings with him at all? I know it’s not unusual to work from behind a screen (especially post-Covid) but he seems to be getting away with an awful lot at a professional level even after having his name dragged through the mud. 

I was recently given this bass amp as the person I had it off wanted to make space in their garage. In all honesty, there’s not a great deal online about it other than it looks like Peavey’s version of a Trace Bright Box.

It’s dusty, covered in cobwebs and not the best looking, but I was wondering if anyone had any info on them? They seem to originate from the late 80s. There’s an input on the back and it works just by plugging straight in the back - no EQ section here! 
 

Any info? 

Muzz - a good monitor mix is the dream. If only every gig had a great monitor sound 😂 

I played a festival a few weeks back with a huge 8x10 and an SVT on top of it. It was barely audible otherwise it would interfere with the mics on stage. SansAmp did the heavy lifting again through the PA. Looked great on stage though 🤷🏼‍♂️ 

On 03/07/2022 at 17:39, BigRedX said:

 

Thanks for updating us.

 

When the cab was mic'd, did anyone take the time to listen to each driver in turn to find out which one was closest to delivering the "sound of the cab", and if so did you ensure that this was the driver that was mic'd each time?

The short answer is no, and the long answer is no, there wasn’t time. 
 

As much as that would be ideal and especially useful for future reference and recording, timings are still generally tight for the load in. Despite them being very decent venues, we were ‘only’ the support band and so had the slops when it came to timings. I wasn’t even aware of what mic was being used (though one night it was definitely a trusty SM57), and it was only on 3 nights out of 9 my cab was actually mic’d. If / when we’re in the headliner’s position, I’d like to spend some time doing just what you’ve described and getting it down to a fine art. That said, how much the audience would notice is another debate. The SansAmp settings I use are not traditionally SansAmp-y (i.e. heavy mid-scoop and a bit dirty) either. It’s more an facsimile of a valve amp well within its limits - fairly clean. It did the majority of the work whilst a cab feed added other possibilities if needed. Plenty of compliments, though. 
 

Looking at Tim’s (Myles’ bass player) rig, he had a lovely Mesa set up but there was a feed from a Fender Downtown DI doing a lot of the DI work. He probably had his cabs mic’d up but again what was actually coming out of the FOH was down the sound guy on the night. 

On 27/06/2022 at 11:17, ezbass said:

 

Glad to see Cardinal Black doing so well @SamPlaysBass.

My cover’s blown! Thank you very much, greatly appreciated. Genuinely intrigued what other bassists would do in the above situation.
 

On the Myles Kennedy tour, I used an Ashdown ABM500 Evo 3 and an ABM 4x10. Front of house was fed with a mic to the cab (if we had time) and the SansAmp. The set up worked well. It was nice to have some control over monitoring by way of the amp rather than leave it to someone else (granted, every sound engineer we came across was outstanding and a true professional in every way, but sometimes it’s nice to control your own volume rather than asking mid set). The SansAmp did the heavy lifting for the PA, and the Ashdown helped out with everything. Good results. 

Your band is booked to go on tour. The van is ready. The groupies are non-existent (no room for them AND an SVT) and you've stocked up on cheap lager and crisps for the journey around the 'heavenly' British Isles. You're playing nice, big-ish venues (O2 Academy sized, let's say). What amp set-up are you bringing? 

Let's hear them!