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and here are the stacked OD's.
please excuse the sloppy playing, the whole pupose is more of a sound demo then a show-off of my non-existing playing skills!  




 

sorry for resurrecting this zombie thread, but i wanted to show how i solved my my issur. 

i am actually just stacking two OD's, the Vintage Micro Tubes goes inta a Lehle / Basswitch Enhanced Overdrive and the results are surpringly solid.

the first track is just the VMT, recorded via a mooer radar cabsim with a 4x10IR, the second one are the stacked OD's (VMT -> Lehle ) with an 8x10 IR set on the radar....

 

2 hours ago, Cuzzie said:

The more and more I think about this, and see your set up, the Puma is a stellar amp and EQ to give you a really full clean sound and that SC is such a good clear cab, it will accurately replicate what you pop through.

I would use the compressor only and the amp to start with, have the guitars dirty as hell - you are already drop tuned so it will sound heavier, you could drop down another half a step and that will make it sound fuller.

Get that full clean bass really pumping, you won’t need a filter or octave except for the odd circumstance, and then dial in the dirt you have gradually, and you may have to add some treble for bite.

 

that’s what I would do before adding anything

i get your point. but i just got the nate mendel a few weeks back and due to lockdown and moving restrictions here in slovenia i didn't have a single band practice with the new bass. up until now i used my JB with john east preamp, active, and i prefer the P a lot when the focus is on heavier sounds, but haven't had one for a while. i like the NM a lot, but i actually have no idea how it sounds in band context except for jamming along trashy mobile phone recordings from last practice...    so, maybe i'm looking for a solution for a problem that does not exist...   

2 hours ago, Al Krow said:

(Although if you replaced your Diamond with the compact but very capable Becos CompIQ...😊)

oh man, you just FULL ON hit the third thinking point i have in this whole game...    
i L O V E the diamond and it is a great , great compressor. and i love that it's not neutral, but does some  add magic sound magic. it goes so far, that i thought about selling this one and get the new smaller one. 

B U T

those becos' are also super  super tempting, freeing up board space in case. the mini looks super promising, though as i read very neutral, which would make the stella even more tempting due to it's tilt EQ and the saturation thingy. that would be functionally similar  to the sound shaping the diamond has, while being a bit more flexible. and still freeing up space on the board.  but the main focus at the moment is the distortion. but yeah, becos...

4 hours ago, Cuzzie said:

By the way - the bass, amp and cab are all awesome

thanks, man! i also like the whole set-up alot. the head fits into the mono gigbag's out pocket and w/ the tick for the pedalboard it's easy to move around. fantastic sound and loud AF.
and the NM is also a winner, hot looking, good sounding, super comfy. 

3 hours ago, AinsleyWalker said:

If you're after something heavier, check out Darkglass' other preamps/drives. their Vintage range is their warmer more classic drive range for sure, compared to the B7k or Microtubes X.
I have the Vintage Deluxe (used to own the Microtubes you have) and the additional 4 band EQ is really essential in my eyes. 

There's nothing wrong with stacking drives as well. If you got yourself something a bit dirtier or heavier, you could always run that before the Darkglass and then use the Darkglass to either boost/add additional drive where needed. I used to do this by running a Rat into a Way Huge Pork Loin.

i had a xotic bb bass preamp years ago and did just that with the VMT, it did sound good IIRC . but at that time i played in a soul band and traded the BB sold it to a buddy who could use it in his band. 

2 hours ago, Al Krow said:

Totally get the desire to have your comp at the end of the chain to limit signal spikes.

Otherwise I would agree with @franzbassist (and actually also seen in @AinsleyWalker's signal chain) of having the octave as near the start as possible to give it the cleanest signal to bite on and having the filter at the back end to give it the most complex waveforms to filter. Indeed octave-->drive-->filter is a classic DIY synth bass set up. 

Pulling that together would give you: tuner-->octaver-->VMT-->filter-->comp

Nice thing about this is that it's not set in stone - and you can mess around to your heart's content.

Must admit I'd tend to agree that the VMT is a little muddier than some drives; another pedal that would get my vote would be the Tech 21 VT DI which will give you a ton of tone shaping options as well as drive, but you'd need a bigger pedal board to fit it on! (Although if you replaced your Diamond with the compact but very capable Becos CompIQ...😊)

just to clear up my reasoning behind the pedal chain:

in the pic it's in the wrong order, as i just got those really, really great EBS  patch cables to make room to add the tuner (the band is Eb as mentioned above) and i just plugged it together and it came out in the wrong order. but instead of re-arranging stuff, it was "but let me take a selfie, first". sorry for that
the correct actual order would be 
tuner - OCT - env filter - OD - comp

both the VMT and the diamond are used as toneshapers in an "EQ-ish" sense, rather then OD or comp respectively. the VMT is a "tube sim" and the diamond is a magic sound wand making everything sound sweet as molasses. the ratio is below half (that would be below 2:1 if i'm not mistaken) and i use the tilt EQ like a TONE knob on the bass (in a sense). the VMT is the "SVT" in a box, drive below half and mix slighly past 12.00. i don't use them together, so they are actually interchangeable in their position.  and that's also the reason they are at the end of the pedalboard. the EQ on the amp is everything at noon / zero, the soundshaping is done on the board. i kind of have a two channel set up, and want to expand it into a three channel kind of thingy, actually.

edit, for the sake of clarity: the diamond has of course a certain "limiter" function on the octaver, but the main reason it's always on is def. soundshaping
 

4 minutes ago, franzbassist said:

Have you tried a different order for your pedals?  Perhaps try: tuner, compresssor, VMT, octaver, filter.

i'd like to keep the comp behind the oct to tame the levels going into the amp. and the octaver before the OD to get OD'ed octaver sounds, to fatten stuff up, when needed (which is rare with two guitars in the band, but it does happen)

it doesn't offer the clanky full on distortion the B3k delivers (at least as far as i can hear on all those YT reviews and tests on the B3K) 
i understand the concept of mixing a clean part of the sound to the distorted part, gaining clarity and attack in the process. dialing back the distorted sound in the mix makes the whole sound losing the aggression i am aiming for, that's why the mix knob on the VMT is dialled rather far into the distorted part. the middle position of the tone gives me the right amount of "body" to the sound, going further CW does add some aggression, but the fulness gets lost, i guess the scopeing of the tone knob is then too much
that's also the reason i was thinking about a clean boost. if i push the VMT with a fully distorted sound i presume that i would lose the bottom of my sound (i presume because i haven't had the opportunity to try that out) 
two guitars on 50W tube amps, one on a strat, the other one on a gretsch something (no idea) so mostly singlecoils, with a rather clear albeit distorted sound 
bass is a nate mendel P, with a puma 900 and a BF supercompact, strings are 1 month old d'addario nickel rounds, the band is tuned to Eb

Hi there guys, i need some advice...

i started playing in a alternative rockband, rather slowish, heavy-ish, heavy riffs etc, 

now, trying to get a an appropriate sound i use my DG Vintage Microtubes, but, alas, while it has a solid OD sound and  decently does replicate a growling tube amp, it does not do the really heavy stuff. 

i'd like leave the VMT always on to "simulate" a tube amp at the verge of breaking up and adding a distortion pedal in front of it, something like the xotic bb or the DG B3K and

but i fear that this might mud the sound to a rhythmical hissing without definition.

my other thought was to add a preamp / clean boost in front of the VMT, but then i guess i can forget about unity gain if use it to push the VMT to more OD / distortion

I'm not too experienced in setting up and getting decent heavy distorted / driven sounds, so any advice would help

P.S.: another limiting factor would be, that i use a PT nano board and i don't want to switch to a larger board.  the nano is set up like this at the moment: 
Korg tuner ->MXR envelope filter -> MXR octaver -> VMT -> Diamond compressor

i'd love to keep the comp on the board to have a "clean clean" sound and to limit the octaver to a certain degree, but am willing to kick it off the board, same with the envelope filter, which i initially thought would have to make room for the distortion pedal anyway.

Muamer is a top guy to deal with, very easy to communicate with, super reliable! woud do business again, no problem! 

john has already done several looms for different basses of mine. he has extensive knowledge of what he does and he does it excellently!

it's always a pleasure to deal with him, he's never let me down or disappointed me in any way.

good guy.... 

it's of course possible to remove the damper, but as it is let into the surface, it would not look too pretty and would be beside the point of this bass....

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yeah, it really is a great bass, it's just that the neck is too wide for my tiny trump-like hands (whiich, btw says NOTHING AT ALL about the size of my d*ck... )

here's a video of a friend of mine playing it, recorded via DI, EQ flat, minimal compression

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the price / trade value is 2200,- € incl. shipping to mainlaind EU (the 1900 GBP mentioned in the thread title are only an approximate price)

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