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Spose you've tried the other obvious, something else loose in the cab, like handles, the baffle or the back etc..

Hows about the thin end of the cone ? Had the 'hinge' start to come away once or twice where its glued to the frame, usually with old gear. though. Just glued it back and all was well

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Worth a look if your anywhere near Redditch Saturday next.

http://www.factmag.com/2014/08/11/birmingham-record-store-to-sell-entire-stock-of-75000-records-for-1-each/

Not really to my taste. Saw them quite a few times in the mid 70s. Usually doing supports at Barbarellas.

Going Down (Freddie King)

It Hurts me too.(Elmore James)

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Turn up with a silly haircut, no amp and no manners then be preapred to hear what a clean DI coming back at you via a beer and piss soaked PA wedge from the 80s sounds like
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So if they aint got a nice wholesome haircut you wont lend it ?

I usually try and help young kids out, up to a point anyway. I was an uncouth hairy yob myself at that age. Once had a nicely dressed, polite young lad ask to borrow my Bass, thats a step too far really but I let him use it.

Sometimes it works out OK. A guy let me use his very nice Trace rig on Saturday even though my own gear was on site.

Just made life easier as his was already on the stage.

[quote name='Diablo' timestamp='1409523269' post='2540585']
Well I persuaded my last band to include it in the setlist so not so! We did our bit to spread the word about Jose and his tractor!

Great to have a thread on CCR - possibly my favourite band/style ever. Even made it into one of my favourite films - Apocalypse Now - who can name that tune? And was it CCR themselves playing it live?

Cheers,
Rich
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I gave up trying to get bands to play it years ago. For some reason guitards just couldnt see it, and usually suggest doing Proud Mary instead.

Lyrics are a bit dated now though I spose, who under 50 would know who Spiro and Ronnie the popular were ?

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Great car now!
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Lot of car for 17, 2.6litres iirc. straight 6, 3 speed column change. Used to use about 8 gals of gas an one of oil to get there and back. [size=4] Petrol was only about 5/6d a gallon though.[/size]

Always struck me as a wildly undated band,

Bad Moon Rising always takes me back to bombing down to Rickmansworth in a Mk2 Zodiac to see my then girlfriend - great car when your only about 17 -

Heres my favourite creedence track, whch nobody else ever seems to have heard of.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VuPtOtGF4TY

Theres a 'rockumentary' doing the rounds on Heyday TV (Sky 192) gets repeated quite a lot.

Age immaterial always puts me off, smacks of desperate. Of course it matters. I wouldnt want to gig with 18 year olds any more than they would want me cramping their style.

Gigs waiting... Yeah sure, as long as you help sell 50 tickets.

Best ad I saw was for a one armed drummer for a Def Leppard trib band. ( must have own kit and stick) [size=4] [/size]

[quote name='flyfisher' timestamp='1409235922' post='2537824']
Indeed not, because that's not my hobby. It's the hobby/enjoyment aspect of music that makes this whole thing a big debate because people clearly ARE prepared to earn a living some other way and then play music for free out of pure enjoyment.

Seems to me that the (perfectly reasonable) desire of some musicians to only play if they are paid actually takes the shine off some of the sheer enjoyment of playing music just for the sake of it.
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But how would you feel if someone was offering to do your job for free, or as per this thread, your boss asked someone to pay to do it just for experience - and they agreed ?

[quote name='stingrayPete1977' timestamp='1409072486' post='2536047']
Or tell him you have some "bass amp loan tickets", you post 25 of them to him 3 days before the gig for him to sell to friends and family for £5 each on the understanding he pays you £5 for each one he ruturns to you unsold when you get there but he can keep £1 from each one he sells
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Best idea yet.

If its a pay to play gig, he can hire it for £25 per band...

At the very least make sure he knows he pays if its damaged.

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[size=4] There's not much in there that I'll be listening to (again...) any time soon. Most are candidates for brain soap, if I'm honest. Still, whatever floats etc...[/size]
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Look at some others from roughly the same era, 4 or 5 classics out of 20 in the same week - even though I wouldnt listen to em now - is good going. Back then records were still being bought by people over 40, hence Batchelors in the same chart as The Kinks and The Stones. I thought the Baron Knights were funny, but then I was only 11.

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Exactly, and that's the 'problem'. Music is fun. People like to listen to it and they like to play it and they like to see people playing it and they like to have people watch them playing it. When people like something so much, they are prepared to do it for no, or very little, financial consideration. Anyone who wants to make money out of such a thing has to face that reality.

Cue the plumber analogy . . . . Except it doesn't really work because plumbing isn't fun. [b]No one really wants to be a plumber[/b] so they'll only do it for money. Music just isn't the same sort of thing. Simple fact of life.
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Dont you think a plumber gets job satisfaction then ? Perhaps he would be better off with a degree, then he could work in McDonalds,

[i]or even behind a bar somewhere... [/i]

[quote name='flyfisher' timestamp='1408964974' post='2534931']
Or another angle . . . .

Given that many live bands need a good audience to 'spark off', perhaps people could form 'audience troupes' to tour around venues and offer their 'services' to help ensure that live gigs really go down well. For a suitable fee of course.
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Great. The pub or promoter could pay them, mark the fee up and add it to what the band owes him for letting them play.

[quote name='linear' timestamp='1408919396' post='2534654']
I'm not sure the above is necessarily the case, but if it were, wouldn't it just be an example of free market operation? What's the alternative? Unionisation and protectionism? Lets say I was in a band of independently wealthy individuals - shouldn't we be able to play for free if we so choose? It seems odd that we would be compelled to charge a fee purely to protect the income of [i]other people[/i]. Why should we?

If you want to earn a fee, you have to actually [i]earn[/i] it, i.e. provide a product that venues feel is worth paying for. If other people are giving away for free the exact same thing you are trying to sell, then surely you've made some very poor business decisions.
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Just imagine you were a barman and one of the pubs punters offered to do your job for free, or pay the pub gaffer for the privilege. [size=4]The gaffer would then either expect you to do the same, or not use you at all.[/size]

[quote name='Doddy' timestamp='1408900013' post='2534451']
But the vast majority of people doing these kind of gigs aren't professional, which is why there is a continuous stream of free and pay to play gigs. If you aren't reliant on music as your income, which most people on the pay to play scene aren't, then the idea that they are playing for 'exposure' is the most important thought. As long as there are bands that are willing to play these gigs, there will be venues who will take advantage.
One of my questions/problems with these situations is that surely the idea of playing in a new city is to gain new fans, so why would you just bring the same ones (often family and friends) who can see you most weeks locally and for free?
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But while people will play for free, Bands who can and do want to earn lose out...

Usually when you look at old singles charts its surprising how much crap you had forgotten. But actually the charst for 50 years ago this week aint so bad.

http://www.officialcharts.com/archive-chart/_/1/1964-08-22/

[quote name='Allie' timestamp='1408890195' post='2534338']
LOl Bill - you're fishing I suspect, but even with it's many flavours, the rock genre is pretty difficult to dislike I guess.

Al
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I only like it if it rolls.

Music genres are a bit like the Monkeys Paw, or Pet Semetary. Sometimes they come back, rotten and changed.

Ah but when it comes back, will it be in a form you like ?

Mary Gautier - Camelot Motel.

Well,i t is Sunday morning.

[quote name='leschirons' timestamp='1408396875' post='2529859']
I have this weird vision where some day there will be old folks homes where 85 and 90 year olds will sit around and reminisce about the good old days with Cradle of filth, Megadeath and Snoop dog
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That would be some singsong after the bingo wouldnt it ?

[quote name='skankdelvar' timestamp='1408731877' post='2533085']
London pay-to-play promoters have been up to this old game for at least 30 years; first time I encountered this practice was about 1982 at The Rock Garden in Covent Garden. The lure for young bands was the fabulous myth that West End venues would be packed with A&R scouts on the hunt for the next big thing.

It was all bollocks, of course; the audiences were mostly Japanese tourists who'd sit at their tables nursing a half of lager top and clap politely between numbers. Other, less streetwise bands would tell us that the numbers would always fall [i]just [/i]short of the threshold at which they would be paid. Funny, that.

London's glamorous West End was - and still is - a complete snake-pit for 'hopeful' bands. Last time I gigged there we did a support for a mere £50 petrol money just for the fun of sharing a stage with a band who had been our 'major influences' back in the day. [i]Even then[/i] the promoter ducked me for an hour after the gig until I barged my way into his office past a rather camp 'security' guy and laid the matter out for the little reptile in forceful terms.

London pay to play? Forget it. If possible, spend the money hiring a room locally and promote one's own gig.
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Its not just in London. That, and similar scams, like paying to use the rubbish house P.A have been going for years.

Years ago I heard of one Birmingham pub gaffer that turned out to have been getting money from the brewery to pay bands, then doing the 'Band gets the door money after the first £50 or so' thing for years.