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Sounds like you're sorted, but as an alternative, I've got a Warwick Rockbag for my Steinberger which is pretty good.

I owned this bass for a short period, and it's a great example of Roger's work. Definitely one of my "wish I hadn't got rid of it" basses!

[quote name='birdy' post='143555' date='Feb 20 2008, 10:55 AM']I paid over £5500. Maybe I could get one off ebay for £4000?!? I wanted the assurance that it was all original and hadn't been put together as a parts bass or made somewhere in the far East etc.

If you check Gbase.com which is an American site you will see that the going rate there is about $10,000-11,000 for something similar and then you have to pay tax and shipping.

As a bass its probably worth £2000 in terms of it matches Sadowskys and other high end basses, the rest is nostalgia and investment.

One things for sure is that it will appreciate in value.

I would be interested in what anyone on here thinks its worth. I won't change my price as I could sell it back to V&R for close to £5000 tomorrow and they will then sell it on for £6000 and it will sell, may just take 6 months.

Thanks

Steve[/quote]

I think it's definitely worth the money you're asking, purely because you've given a number of solid reasons why it's worth that. First, you know definitely that you can get £5000 from V&R, and that that money is guaranteed, with no hassles at all. So why on Earth would you accept any less? Second, you've researched the US market, which is always less than the European market, and even there, the bass is hovering around £5000-£5500 with the retailers.

Steve, £5000 plus is a lot of money for a bass, but the fact is, 1965 Jazz basses in original condition are pulling a lot of money these days. That's just what the market is saying, and I see no reason why you should sell for any less than what it's worth.

[quote name='warwickhunt' post='143287' date='Feb 19 2008, 06:39 PM']What can I say?

Occasionally things go up and down the for sale forum for so long and at such a low price that people assume there must be something up. I do know that Andy from this forum came to buy a bass (or two) from me and he has played it and can vouch for the fact that it has that typical Warwick growl and is indeed a fine player (the bass and him ). Well it's been hoicked about since October and not a genuine solid offer so I may well take the advice (inc' my own) and put this away till Summer. I'll give it till the weekend![/quote]

Nah ..... we're not gonna give up yet!! Let's give this a legitimate bump with a serious question.

Being from 1991, this puts the bass in the "preferred" period of Warwick construction, right? I'm not really up on these years, maybe you could just give a quick guide as to which years are the ones that people seem to be more interested in.

[quote name='warwickhunt' post='143208' date='Feb 19 2008, 06:11 PM']Well the wheels are slowly falling off the wagon on this sale

Turns out the seller thought he could pay via PayPal and get x number of days credit before having to pay off the balance with his credit card. However there is a problem with his card and/or PayPal and it won't let him proceed! He can't pay so 'won't' pay! I've possibly exacerbated the situation as I gave him a knock (I was passing his front door on the way to the in-laws) and he took offence at my intrusion. Fair does I suppose but I just wanted to try and sort something out face to face if possible.

Long and short is that if anyone wants the bass @ £600 [b]inc delivery[/b] then give me a shout before I relist it.

Please note I no longer have the hardcase. It will come in a gigbag and the packaging will include ply or hardboard to the front and back of the packaging (effectively as much protection as a case).[/quote]

I seriously can't believe the drama you've gone through with this bass. For a start, the price you're selling it for is a steal. I sold a much later one (2000 or so) through the Bass Gallery around 2 years back, and while I can't remember the specific amount, it was closer to the grand mark - I think I got around £900 after comission. On top of that, you're now having to put up with the crap you've just described above. Un-friggin'-believable!!!

I really do wish you the best of luck with this, mate. I will say, though, that I did have a bit of a look at Warwicks on Ebay a few days ago, and they're really not pulling the sort of money that they're worth. Is there no chance you could hang onto this until their prices become a bit more reasonable?

[quote name='synaesthesia' post='137931' date='Feb 11 2008, 02:54 AM']Valenti is now using the team at USA custom guitars as a subcontractor.[/quote]

Actually, I think he's moved on from them to another company. He mentioned it on Talkbass a few months back.

[quote name='Jamesemt' post='137932' date='Feb 11 2008, 06:37 AM']I've got the chance of a cab from Switzerland that works out about £40 cheaper after adding postage. Does anyone know what the local Swiss tax is? I seem to recall 23%, which would make it even cheaper.

I've bought things from Thomann (Germany) before, but they work out the VAT in the prices...

Am I right in thinking that because it's coming from Europe, there are no customs charges?[/quote]

Whilst they are in Europe, Switzerland are not in the EU, and so I think you will pay taxes.

[quote name='ped' post='137423' date='Feb 10 2008, 01:15 AM']Every time I have heard an F bass being played on a record, in the context of the whole mix it always strikes me how similar they sound to a really good modern Jazz bass.[/quote]

I was very close to buying an F Bass 6 string for this exact reason, as I'm a big fan of Jazz basses. Unfortunately, the F Bass I tried didn't do very much for me, and I never really investigated the brand any further. I was told at a later date from an independent source who was familiar with the bass I tried that it was actually a rather bad example of F Basses, so I guess I'd always be keen to try another.

[quote name='bassjamm' post='137409' date='Feb 10 2008, 12:44 AM']Just to clear up...i believe that Valenti basses used to be made from Warmoth necks, however, Nino now makes his own!!!

And whilst i appreciate you've made your oders...what's the matter with Mike Lull basses??? I've been able to play a few of his basses, as well as some Sadowsky's...personally i'd buy a Lull, not only are they cheaper, but the feel and sound, for me, was more pleasing!!!

Not trying to put a downer on this whole thing...just trying to put out some happy words of bassage on the Lull department!!![/quote]

You lucky bugger!! I own a couple of Sadowskys, but the one brand I've always wanted to do a side by side with is Lull. When I bought my first Sadowsky, it was a real toss up between ordering one from Roger or getting Mike Lull to make me a bass, and the thing that swung it for me was the preamp. 6 or 7 years down the track, I have absolutely no regrets, as I still love playing that Sadowsky, but the curiosity about Lulls has always remained.

[quote name='slazman' post='137446' date='Feb 10 2008, 07:42 AM']Really good advice thanks. The bass was delievered in a cardboard case with additional packaging so I will use that.[/quote]

That would be perfect, although (leads onto next comment )......


[quote name='slazman' post='137446' date='Feb 10 2008, 07:42 AM']Only slight issue is that US Immigration tend to open up cases to check contents - especially those with any electrical type stuff in them. Shouldn't be a problem though.[/quote]

This is actually true, and I've had the chance to see first hand what the US customs people are willing to do. A friend of mine here in Lisbon brought a bass back from the US, and put it into the hold. He'd locked the case, so they simply broke the lock, and attached a sticker to the case saying that under US law, they were entitled to do this! When I wrote my post above, I forgot about this, so maybe packing quite as comprehensively as I suggested might end up being pointless. Still, pack it well in the case, and maybe put the case into the cardboard box without any additional packing inside the cardboard box, and they might simply repack it as you had it.

[quote name='Happy Jack' post='137297' date='Feb 9 2008, 08:39 PM']If you're putting a bass in the luggage, should you slacken off (i.e. de-tune) the strings?[/quote]

That was traditionally the belief, but recently I've read a lot of stuff on the internet saying this is actually a bad thing to do. To be honest, I'm not 100% sure which is correct, so I just stick to what I've always done - I detune the bass by a few notes, so to D or C, just to take a bit of pressure off the neck. That's always worked for me. When I've sent a bass to a buyer in another country, I do that as well, and I've never had any complaints.

slazman, I do a lot of travelling on planes, and my advice would be to put it in the hold. You've said you've got the original case, which I assume is a rectangular case. The hassle you'll go through trying to find space in the overhead compartment will be unbelievable, as most travellers these days like to carry as much onto a plane as possible, meaning there's very little room available for larger items. Unless you can be sure of being one of the first people onto the plane, I'd say you won't get it into the overheads.

If you pack the bass right in the case, it should be reasonably safe. What I tend to do is pack a lot of clothing around the bass to stop it from moving in the case - underwear, socks and t-shirts work perfectly, as you can pack the bass in very tight. And make sure the neck is well supported. On top of this, if your friend in the US can find a cardboad packing box to put the case into, that's even better. Finally, when you check the bass in, get it put into oversize packages, don't let it go on the luggage belt with all the other luggage.

[quote name='99ster' post='133173' date='Feb 3 2008, 06:25 PM'][url="http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/1967-68-FENDER-JAZZ-BASS-RARE-100-original-w-case_W0QQitemZ170191126812QQihZ007QQcategoryZ64400QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD2VQQcmdZViewItem?_trksid=p1638.m122"]http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/1967-68-FENDER-JAZZ-...ksid=p1638.m122[/url]

What a beauty!
I've bought a number of things from this seller - he's definitely 'one of the good guys' on eBay - 100% trustworthy.[/quote]


Nice bass, 99ster. It's actually got a feature that maybe you could she some light on.

As you (and the auction) have said, it's 67-8. I notice it's got the round tuners on it, which are correct for the period. However, in my (limited!) experience, I've noticed that the round tuners seem to only appear on 1966 Jazz basses, while they seem more prevalent on Precisions and Telecasters for the years '67 and '68.

Have I observed this correctly, or have I just encountered an unusual selection of instruments?

[quote name='ARGH' post='119351' date='Jan 12 2008, 11:53 PM']Ok

To settle the Duranie debate once and for all

1st Lp.....Simons on it (and hes chorused out to hell and back,coz hes out of tune)...Johns on it,and Nicks on there in parts.
2nd lp Everyones on there,but theres session drums,some geezer took a £50 hushbung to play a few tracks,same with a few guitar tracks,and Nicks not doing EVERYTHING keys wise.

3rd lp,They are all on it (and the coke too).

Out of all of them Johns ALWAYS had the most musical talent,followed by Nick. The rest are debatable.[/quote]


Thanks for the details. I guess it's one of those things I've always wondered about. Just out of curiosity, how do you know this so definitely? Not questioning what you've said at all, I'm just curious as to the source.

Also, just to confirm - you're saying that Andy didn't play on the first album?

I'm not a huge Lakland fan, mainly because I'm not really into Barts and the 35" scale isn't quite my thing, but I've always thought they were beautiful looking instruments, and your's in no exception! That top is amazing, and looks great with the trans blue finish.

[quote name='Bass_In_Yer_Face' post='117943' date='Jan 10 2008, 04:19 PM']Without putting on an anorak, I was under the impression that JT played the majority of stuff on the first PS album and Bernard Edwards added some 'twiddly bits' etc as well, slaps etc.[/quote]

That's what I've always been lead to believe as well. There's a video of the two of them going over the "Get it On" solo, where Edwards is suggesting what might be good for the solo. JT liked the example so much, it's what ended up going down as the solo.

About the whole "did they play/didn't they play" thing with Duran Duran, I once had a conversation with a bass player in Australia who did some of the support slots when Duran Duran first toured Australia back in 1983 or thereabouts. She told me she'd often watch them from backstage, and said that there was no doubt in her mind that JT was actually quite a decent bassist. She said that one of the guys was a bit suspect, although didn't let on who that was. Since it would be hard to hide Simon's ability or lack there of, that leaves Nick, Roger or Andy.

Peter Hook from Joy Division/New Order.

I guess he wasn't much chop technically, but he had this amazing melodic style that always fit the songs. Also a very distinctive sound - you always knew it was him playing.

[quote name='Thornybank' post='114310' date='Jan 5 2008, 08:08 PM']Unbranded Schallers it is....
Dating Fenders. Not a science, izzit?
The serial is S88xxxx. The first 8 is not bold, but the same weight of type as the rest of the serial. Could be any time from 77-79, I guess. Given it doesn't weigh more than 20st it could be earlier, so the logic on tuners would fit....[/quote]

Nope definitely not a science, just a simple matter of doing some research and knowing your facts.

For instance, this is a picture of a Fender tuner made by Schaller.



..... and that's come from this auction

[url="http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/VINTAGE-FENDER-1978-PRECISION-JAZZ-BASS-TUNERS-RARE-USA_W0QQitemZ320202643148QQihZ011QQcategoryZ22672QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem"]Example of Fender tuners made by Schaller[/url]

You'll notice that this doesn't look a lot like your's, branded or unbranded.

Anyway, good luck with the sale, I'm sure you'll be able to provide all the information any potential buyer may ask for.

[quote name='Thornybank' post='114260' date='Jan 5 2008, 06:56 PM']The tuners are right - they "transitioned" around then.[/quote]

They transitioned around 1976. The style of tuner you've shown in the picture started being used around the mid 60s, and continued until 1976. They were then replaced by a slightly different shaped tuner made by Schaller. However, and this is the point that was made above, the tuners were always stamped with "Fender", and from the early 70s on, with a Registered mark next to the Fender logo. The tuners on the bass you're selling doesn't have the Fender stamp that people are expecting, and that's why they're questioning them, as well as the fact that for a '78 bass, they're not correct, as they should be the Schaller tuners. Now, of course, it's always possible that the bass you have for some reason had some old stock tuners put on that had sat around the factory for a couple of years (and that's not a complete impossibility), and maybe those tuners just happened not to have had the Fender mark on them (not sure how likely that might be, but who can say with certainty that every single set of tuners was marked). But, they are different from what's expected.

[quote name='warwickhunt' post='114159' date='Jan 5 2008, 05:01 PM']Listing in the wrong section... change of item being sold... listing format change... etc etc

My concern is whether Mistahbenn's account has been jacked as well? If not hopefully he isn't the highest bidder [/quote]

Don't forget the length of the auction. This is a 5 grand bass, easy. 3 days is far too short for a typical Ebayer to advertise this for. That doesn't in itself mean the auction is a scam, but it's always one of the warning signs.

I think Misthbenn needs to be given a heads up about this, and then he can make his own decision.

[quote name='99ster' post='114157' date='Jan 5 2008, 04:58 PM']Spot on I would say - a classic account hijack scam.
They want shooting.[/quote]

We have a thread somewhere about "how to spot a scam", and I think this would be a great example to include. At first glance, it looks legit, but a little digging and things start to look questionable.

Having said all that - the bass is a great looking instrument!!

[quote name='warwickhunt' post='114148' date='Jan 5 2008, 04:46 PM']I'm sure this is just me and I'm that kind of bloke but...

Perusing the eBay sellers feedback you can see that 'every single one' of his identifiable sales (500+ that you are able to check) is for a piece of vinyl or a CD. Not one single other form of sale; Nada, Zilch! Then a 63 Fender... that rings alarm bells with me.

Sorry where did this thread originate?[/quote]


LMAO!! Beat me to it!!

But yeah, as I indicated above, I totally agree with you.

I've got a feeling this is a hijacked account scam. Something doesn't look right. Check out the auction in question, then look at his finished auctions. The seller (ie. the real seller) has a style to the way he sets up his auctions, and this one doesn't fit in with those. He's also got a trumpet up, and from checking out other Ebay auctions, it appears the brand, Monette, is a very expensive brand.

I'm gonna call bullshit on this one.

[quote name='dood' post='113990' date='Jan 5 2008, 12:18 PM']Ahh that must be it! Thanks. I haven't measured the two, but they are practically the same on my P and my J. Which is good.. Very comfy![/quote]

There's a string likelihood your P might be a B sized neck. Depending on the age, the neck stamp should indicate what size it is.

I had a '68 P that had a B neck (Birdy took this off me, then it got passed off to some other people) and the neck was amazing. The bass had been modified a bit, so when it came time to unload a P, I decided to keep my '66 P which is all original and also sounded better, but it was difficult to let that neck go, as it felt so good.

[quote name='dood' post='113978' date='Jan 5 2008, 12:02 PM']a question: Correct me if I am wrong, but I think the skinnier Precision necks that feel like Jazz ones are 'A' style? My CIJ P neck feels very close to the skinniness (is that even a word? lol) of my Fender Jazz neck. It is described as an 'A' neck profile.[/quote]

If you're talking about the width at the nut, a C is 1-3/4" (50s and 60s Precision), a B is 1-5/8" (special order 60s Precision, became the norm around early 70s), and an A is 1-1/2" (Jazz, special order Precision).