Coilte

Sad news indeed. R.I.P.

58 minutes ago, dmccombe7 said:

There's a debate going on about what each other thinks is correct. Surely offer the advice and let him decide for himself whether one way or another is right for him rather than a continued debate about which way any other individual thinks is right or wrong. 

All i'm saying is offer the advice and let him decide if its right for him. 

So far the advice has been really good no matter what anyone thinks and each has its own merits but its not up to us to dictate what is right and suitable for the OP 

Dave

Agree 100%. I did not get the impression that anyone (it certainly was not my intention) was dictating. Surely it's a given, that the OP has the option to take or leave ANY advice offered ? It's just a forum...not the army !!! 😄😉

Just now, dmccombe7 said:

. Offer him the advice and support and let the OP take from it what he will.

 

I thought that was exactly what we were doing. 🤔

4 minutes ago, discreet said:

And I'm not playing less bass just because someone thinks it's a good idea. 

No one is asking you to. Practicing little and often is simply (good...IMO) advice which you and the OP have the option to heed or ignore. 🙂

BTW...over the course of say a year...you may end up putting in more time over all, by playing for small amounts of time, but on a more regular basis.  

11 minutes ago, discreet said:

I'm not taking any notice of that! She can't even bloody remember which songs she played on! If she's right, then James Jamerson and Bob Babbit must have been redundant and they certainly were not!

Fair enough. You're obviously not a fan of Ms. Kaye. 😄. Nonetheless, that does not render her advice invalid. In my experience the general consensus would agree with her. Here is a  renowned site which seems to think along the same lines. 

https://www.studybass.com/lessons/practicing/how-much-to-practice/

2 hours ago, AntLockyer said:

 I'm and addict, so long periods of practice is only because I'll have trouble stopping when the enthusiasm is high. Starting or remembering to start is the issue.

Whatever floats your boat...but...practicing for very long periods at a time can be counter productive. 

From Carol Kaye's website "

Remember to practice a little every day -- that's crucial. Keeping the continuity of playing a little bit everyday is a lot better than going for 2-3-4 days and then practicing "a lot". It's best not to practice over 2 hours at a time, the mind (believe it or not) tends to shut down after that and you get sort of robotic in your playing. While it's great for the fingers to play a lot here and there, the creative mind (the thing you have to please) needs a rest inbetween.

56 minutes ago, AntLockyer said:

Ended up doing an hour and half today.

 

Monday 24th Sept

Technique, facility and articulation

Time and groove

Fingerboard visualisation

Language of music (phrases and harmony)

C major scale, Arpeggios on c major, worked out not looked up on the internet (C major 7, D minor 7 , E minor 7, F major 7 so far) Forwards and backwards at 90bpm all in one position root on E string (1.5 hours), 

Genre based studies 

None!

Don't forget to include some actual MUSIC....as in... playing along to songs and developing your ear. IMO, the latter is one of the most beneficial things to learn. 

7 minutes ago, fretmeister said:

15 minutes per day, every day will be far more beneficial. 

+1. Little and often is best.

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2 hours ago, Count Bassy said:

 Whether it counts as Jazz or not? Who cares?  

 

My sentiments entirely.  🙂  Though judging from this, and previous threads about Moondance, it would seem that people DO care....a lot !! 🤔

8 minutes ago, Paul S said:

 

Surely it comes down to more than purely snobbery and elitism?  I would hope so.  

Perhaps there IS more to it, but I can not think of any other reason why people would get their knickers in a twist when Moondance is referred to as being jazz. 😄   I have been a jazz fan all my like (now 63) and I could not care less if  someone interprets the song as jazz. It's all MUSIC to me. Some of it you like...some you don't. No harm done.

39 minutes ago, Paul S said:

When it comes to music I like what I like, not really an aficionado of anything much and not stuck in any particular genre.  I certainly do know much about jazz.  But, at risk of being pilloried - to me 'Moondance' sounds like jazz.  And I actually quite like it.   This is a genuine question, I am not playing Devil's advocate or trolling or anything.  What exactly is the issue with 'Moondance'?  Why does it constantly get a slating and why isn't it jazz?  OK, that is three questions.  But if, like you say, jazz is a broad church why does something that, to me, sounds like jazz get left standing on the church porch?

 

I can offer one reason regarding the general attitude about Moondance being (or not being ) jazz.  Because there is a lot of snobbery and elitism attached to the genre.  Why this should be the case, is beyond me, considering it's humble beginnings. An example of this snobbery and elitism is quoted below, taken from an earlier post in this thread. 

13 minutes ago, TheGreek said:

Just wish there wasn't so much soloing..

Reminds me of what Miles Davis said to Coltrane when he (Coltrane) said he found it difficult to end a solo when in full spiritual flight...." Try taking the f***ing horn down from outta ya mouth...!!!   😅

Very sad on learning this news. I loved his work with the L.A. Express. 

R.I.P.

4 hours ago, burno70 said:

 Looking forward to listening to some of the artists posted on this thread so I kind find more that I like.  

"AKA MOON" might be worth checking out. They are a Belgian.. (have a great bassist too BTW...he studied with Jaco )..band and have been on the go since around the early 90's. They have a core membership of three (sax, bass and drums), but have collaborated widely with many different artists. The track below is from a recent album in which the band give their interpretation of Scarlatti's sonatas. Kind of like ..."jazz meets classical". 😎

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80lVklIvd8s

27 minutes ago, adamg67 said:

I need some help understanding what Jazz even is.

 

I would not get too hung up on labels. Granted, they can be useful  in some circumstances. "Jazz" IMO is an "umbrella" name for a vast variety of music which has been constantly evolving since around 1900, and is still doing so. Generally, people have an era preference in this evolution. 

52 minutes ago, HengistPod said:

I have a cousin who makes a very tidy living in London singing French jazz and playing accordion. Residencies in brasseries , gigs on the Orient Express and the like, playing with top-notch po-faced jazz musicians in dinner suits.

She absolutely refuses to acknowledge me, with my 38 years of playing bass in rock cover bands, as any level of musician whatsoever.

Which is probably fair enough, to be honest.

I don't think that's fair at all. It is attitudes like your cousin's, that puts people off jazz, claiming it to be elitist. Granted, it takes a high degree of musicianship to perform jazz music, but that does not...(or SHOULD not)...mean looking down your nose at fellow musicians. 

I have been a jazz fan since my mid teens (now 63). I suppose I was "lucky"...(YMMV 😉)...   enough to be exposed to it early in life by an older friend who had lots of jazz LP's. When I could afford to buy my own albums, I started exploring new names. Still doing so to this day. 

Anything  you learn that enhances your knowledge and appreciation of music is important. I would place reading very high on the list. 

12 hours ago, tedmanzie said:

I like to play a couple of hours a day  

As well as Happy Jack's advice....

If you don't do so already, try keeping a practice session to no more than an hour at a time. Take a break and come back to it. Both your brain and hands will thank you for it. 😉

10 hours ago, fleabag said:

Those anti-bacterial foam hand sprays are excellent to wipe grease and sweat off the hands before playing. Leaves no residue so your hands are crystal clean, at least for a while.

Doesnt need water or a towel. Spray on - rub off  ( matron )

This will do more for your strings than waiting till they're full of hand sweat and oil and trying to clean the strings after the dirt has wound its way into the windings

+1 to the above. IME any string cleaning remedies only last a very short time before the string resorts back to it's original grimy state. The best way to prolong string life IMO is to always wash your hands before you play. I have seen people picking up a bass or guitar with their hands looking as if they'd just been doing some gardening. 😄 Otherwise....it's new strings...

"Chicken Shack" deserve a mention here, albeit they are not contemporary.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDcOwhUPtT4

One of my all time favourite drummers. Loved his work along side bassist Tony Reeves. Especially loved this duo's work on John Mayall's "Bare Wires" album. If you have the means to isolate the bass and drums during the sax solo on this track ("Look In The Mirror") from the album, you'll hear how a rhythm section should sound.

1 minute ago, Coilte said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oR0bDh_fjvw

Sorry...just realised it doesn't meet your criteria. Great band though....😉

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oR0bDh_fjvw

6 minutes ago, Graham said:

They're brilliant - I have a US version, I don't really play 4 strings anymore, but it's going nowhere.

Yes, they are amazing basses for their price. The Tributes have a lot in common with their USA cousins. The pick ups and electronics are exactly the same. The main differences would be on wood type and finish. Not bad..when you consider the price difference. 😉