Monckyman

Ringing out basically means turning up an open vocal mic till it starts to feedback, then identifying what frequency it's feeding back at, and ducking that frequency.
Repeat a few times till you are sure it isn't going to feed even at silly volumes.
Then turn it down a bit : )
Same method for FOH or mons

Pete, yes I have a UPS with a dead battery at the moment!
I am concerned with half sine vs full sine wave and whether it will be capable of keeping the p.a up for 30 seconds .Probably need a bigger one.
We do have an E kit now,so we can manage levels a lot more and backline is on the way out with the introduction of IEMs across the band.

Not good for digital desks.
Last one we did, we lost power twice before I started screaming and rending my hair etc.
The management taped some bog roll over the mic and that helped a lot.
The DJ had found power from the kitchen...

British slang for a bribe, a "deal sweetener" of sorts. The term is used within football corruption, transfer agents paying "bungs" and the managers that accept them.

He's been bunged.

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Part of our P.A costs take into account the guy loading up at both ends into his car/van, the cabling and we are expected to help the set-up and break down at the gig, otherwise we would run into other problems where he would give us a complete hore charge and it would start
at £100 per gig which would put pubs out of the equation.
We also have to pay a bit more when the gigs allow to cover the smaller fees.
Our base P.A charge is £20 at a pub and where are you going to get any sort of worthwhile P.A for that transported etc etc ...

Reality check time... no one wants to pay more and they wont volunteer it otherwise we are not having this discussion..
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I'm thinking a stripped down pub set up for no charge, but everyone helps set up etc.
For weddings etc, there has to be a reasonable fee, because £5k worth of P.A definitely gets you more work, and that's what it's about.
As you say above, the guy loading in etc.
We have our first pub gig on sat and our new singer packed his guitar and keyboards tonight after rehearsal and said right, I'll pack these and see you there.
I just said, perhaps it would be easier if you left them here, and then you could help pack all the rest of it on Saturday.
He looked a bit nonplussed, as if testing, loading and moving the P.A was nothing to do with him.
I'm sure this isn't an unusual attitude, our last singer had it too, which is partly why we sacked him
Some bands are happy sharing stuff, and that's cool, but where you have a case where one member has layed out a very large amount on what is after all shared equipment, then a fee should be charged.

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IMO when a PA-owning band member starts charging his own band to use his PA, there'll be tears before bedtime. The logical progression to this would be that the guitarist would start charging the band for the use of his kit -- after all, if he wasnt in the band he wouldnt be using it -- and the drummer would do the same, and so on.
This happened in a band I was in some years ago -- the singer owned the (mainly vocal) PA and had also got us a handful of gigs at a couple of pubs, and suddenly announced to us via email one day that he would not only be charging us, his own band, for use of his PA but he would also be expecting a "finder's fee" for every gig he arranged. The band, which had been trolling along fine up until this point, broke up not long afterwards amid the exchange of some choice anglo-saxon vernacular.
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Agreed if it's a vocal P.A, after all, it's probably only worth the same as a decent kit or bass rig.
But what if it's a 6k good quality compact rig with a digital desk and 5 way wedge monitoring as well as 4 stereo IEMs, and everything goes into it, the (electronic) kit, guitars x3 keys, vox x4, backing track, bass, double bass, lights and a van to shift it all?

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I think this is a good point. If a guitarists amp fails and he cant afford to buy a new one or have it repaired then the band cant gig. Therefore should the band step in to pay for a new amp from gig money?
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It's sensible enough to have a kitty for repairs and maintenance, which if it's spent on personal equipment, should be paid back from personal gig fees.

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Well, I assume you have to run a van and you load up the vast majority..and all they do is help at the gig..??
I think for anything between £750 and £1k, they need to think of £100...which is at least half what you'd get
elsewhere..?
Of course, this will be quite a bone of contention when you broach it but ask them how much they could hire it in...
as that is what they will have to do if they decide they don't like your 'new way'...

If a band goes into a band P.A situation then the payback is long even at £100 a time..
This is my problem at the moment...
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I do supply maintain and drive the van also.
The earlier version of the band did buy some tops, some lights and a couple of cheap subs, but I supplied the desk and the rest, which has now grown to all the above.
I think it will be a bone of contention, but I will suggest an alternative, either the original tops/cheap subs and they buy another desk for pubs and hire in for best gigs.
I suppose either way it would cost the band a large amount of money.
At the moment, I don't need the argument.

The P.A angle to this is quite interesting as I own all of the P.A that my band uses.
I invest in it, buy mics, D.Is cables, upgrade speakers, mixing desks stands,monitors, amps,lights.
I just bought a couple of IEM sets, that they will have free access to also.
I spend a lot of time ensuring everything works as efficiently as possible as I believe sincerely that a good sound gets gigs.
I'm happy to do this, because i want us to sound as good as we can, so that we can get to the better paid gigs quicker.
I hire the P.A and my skills to other bands for £200 to £300 per show.
At the moment we are running through the gears doing pubs and tweaking the show, but in the new year we will be hitting the agents for better paid wedding and party gigs as we did for a couple of years before our new singer arrived in march.
We intend to start at £750 and will be aiming for £1000 as a usual fee.
How much would it be fair to ask them to pay for the P.A per show?

How much?

Karmaceuticals....

Yes, you should have separate tone controls for each pickup.

Karma.

Nice pics and nice waistcoat there Jack ; )

Sold

No Chinese mics here gents, these were bought from a reputable P.A company by me a good while ago.
I have 10 of them and need money for more subs so...

Klotz + Neutrik=win.
Also, if you have a pedal board the cable will be ending up at your feet.

Pic added.

Yarp!

Two good condition Shure SM58 microphones for sale, clean with good baskets and paintwork.
£45 each posted or
£80 for both posted.
pics on request.

Shunned??
Cheeky twat.

As Bert sez, there's a manual in PDF online, try resetting to factory, sounds like some levels and routing has either been edited badly, or become corrupted in the internal memory.

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Don't leave your car in a multi-storey car park. It's wrong on so many different levels...
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A lot of love for the Sennheiser e range for Vox also.
Might suggest you find a decent graphic EQ to help smooth any hot frequencies in the rig and the rooms the rig is in.