AndrewJordan

[quote name='Dad3353' timestamp='1460129180' post='3022922']
The answer could be to [i]not[/i] mic up, and [i]not[/i] turn up to match levels. Let Animal play his cymbal solo for a gig or two; if he doesn't realise what's going on, find a [i]real[/i] drummer (a [i]musician[/i], not a lumberjack...) and swap 'em.
Disclaimer: I'm a drummer. No drum kit needs micing up to make up for cymbal volume, period.
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Tried that and got loads of people shouting "can't hear the guitars/vocals, turn em up" after that we went on at him for a while till he eventually got some lighter/quieter cymbals..................still overpowers the drums though. To be honest we quite like playing loud and most of the time the crowds seem to like it too.

If you've got a pocket full of cash and an empty estate then there isn't one!........................they may take even less to get rid!

[quote name='EliasMooseblaster' timestamp='1460118841' post='3022756']
Never mind the drums: personally, I've found the drummers don't even need a kit in some cases. The last time I shared a hotel room with our drummer, I had to go to my guitar case in the middle of the night and fish around for my earplugs because of the volume of his snoring...
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LOL we played a gig in york once and I was sure pub would let me kip on the floor. Anyway, they wouldn't have it so singer and his wife took pity on me and let me kip on floor of their hotel room. Just before dawn singers wife woke me up and said I would have to leave because she couldn't stand it any more. She said the snoring was bad enough but she had never heard such loud farts before

[quote name='chris_b' timestamp='1460111545' post='3022647']
Not last week. The SRV style guitarist had to mic up the drums (he was a dep and playing quieter than the usual drummer) because he was getting swamped by the two of us! All very silly, but as I said before, the audience loved it!
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We always have to mic the kit no matter how small the venue. Drummer hits his cymbals so *kin hard you can't hear the rest of the kit, then the rest of us have to get loud enough to match him!

I'm surprised that BFM hasn't been in yet to tell you that in the old days bass speakers were more sensitive and so could produce more spl for a lower wattage input blah blah blah................all true!

[quote name='danbowskill' timestamp='1459973079' post='3021486']
Just not queens of the stone age style filth
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Ah yeh, my inspiration also. I know they always used to use them live(though not any more) but for studio recording it could be anything producing the sound knowing Josh's penchant for the wierd and experimental. I remember Nick saying that the bass sound for No One Knows was from an old Peavey guitar amp.

[quote name='wenbainhouse33' timestamp='1459974449' post='3021496']
someone buy this bargain
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I would have if I hadn't just bought one! At that price it would have been perfect for the modding I have in mind!

Hmm, that seems to be the problem. To get the real grind it seems you gotta melt faces.

Member on here Szorn was looking for one of these a little while ago. In leeds, not too far from you.

And how loud did it take to dirty up?

Just got back from a few days in edinburgh. Checked this out while I was there. Didn't have chance to try it but it looks in excellent condition. If I hadn't been travelling by train I could have been tempted. Tried to get them to sell me the head on its own but they weren't having it :-(

Thanks for confirming that! Just wanted to get a better understanding for my own reasons. Cheers! And of course I am playing to the audience but I would also like to be able to hear what they are hearing.

[quote name='Bill Fitzmaurice' timestamp='1458769339' post='3010802']
Only if they're placed vertically, and very few are. A 1x15 will have wider dispersion than a horizontal 2x10.
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Correct me if I am wrong Bill, but wouldn't the dispersion advantages of a vertical column be lost if the highest driver is significantly below ear height?

e.g. a 2x12 vertical cab standing say three feet tall with a six foot player stood a couple of feet in front. Would the sound suffer from the same cancellations by the time it reached the players ear as would a horizontal 2x12 at ear height with the player stood to the side? If so, would a low horizontal 2x12 give a better vertical dispersion?

My thinking on this could be way off so I look forward to your answer.

All interesting reading! I think Phil Starr and others have probably summed it up regarding the reasons for their popularity. And it would seem that most manufacturers are trying to create cabs with an even response rather than a particular voicing. And if there is a typical sound it comes somewhere between a typical 10 and a typical 15 LOL!

I agree Bill! And I understand why you edited my quote to make that point

Seems like the horse is still kicking! Cheers guys! This is the sort of thing I was after, subjective opinion. People’s real world experience can tell you a lot more than theory.
I am not quite as ignorant regarding speakers as my first post may suggest. One of my reasons for asking is that I have been considering building one of Bill’s Simplexx 212s for a while now.
I know that speakers of many differing sizes can produce a relatively flat response on axis in the correctly tuned box. But a lot of what we hear from our cabs on stage is often heard from a position nowhere near on axis. From that perspective, of the commonly available formats the 10” equipped cabs (comb filtering aside) probably give us the best chance of hearing most of what the audience is hearing from the cab.

Hi Bill, I've spent a lot of my life beating dead horses so why stop now Of course you're right so I could try rephrasing the question. We all have sounds in our head (well I do) that we associate with particular cab types so do the modern 12" equiped cabs have any particular voicing associated with them?

Just curious about this. There seems to be a lot of love on here for 12" drivered cabs. I have heard plenty of 10s and 15s but never knowingly heard 12s. Can anyone describe the typical sound of a modern 1 or 2x12 cab?

Thanks! Just what I wanted to know.

OK cheers for that!

Ah, my bad! I assumed it was only the lower two 10s that were ported as thats how it looks with the grill off. So it will sound quite different to the sealed 10s that I have been experimenting with. Good to know that and also good to know that you like it for down tuned stuff as that is what we do. Do you know if they use the same driver as the 810? Sounds like you've been inside it, is it vietnasmese? if so can you tell me if its plywood or chipboard?

I thought that the sealed 10s I played through had very good note definition. Would you say the same about the 610?

Hi Dan, the B2re, isn't that actually the same amp as the 350T or 450T minus the wooden casing? Call me sad but I prefer the look of the ones in the wooden casing

How would you describe the difference in tone between the 810 and the 610? I know the 610 has a tweeter and a ported section but if I get one I will be disabling the tweeter (not a fan of those). Does the sealed 10 section of the 610 not give a similar sound to the sealed 810 but with added lows from the ported section?

Not familiar with the 200T will look them up. And yeh I could do that with the GK as I already have and use sansamp VT currently just for overdrive though not cleaner tones.

Does anyone know what the vietnamese made 610s are made of?. I assume the current production models are made there and the spec says plywood but someone on another forum says particle board.

Interesting opinion, I'm sure I have read others stating otherwise regarding the difference between cabs containing 10s though.

Amp choice could be my next subject though. While I love the sound of proper Ampeg valve amps I'm not sure I can afford one at the moment. In my case the tone I have been hearing comes from a small Ampeg solid state head which I am sure will sound different anyway. I wonder if the old 350H or 450H heads would be close?