Phaedrus

This is Mark...

Don't be like Mark - scroll past the SpectraComp icon, down to the white knob amp icon...

Sorted. 🙂

Thanks all. 👍

On 24/06/2023 at 09:44, naxos10 said:

Is it a single or dual pickup bass you are using?

2 pick-ups. Yamaha BB605. Neither pick-up seems to work.

On 24/06/2023 at 10:13, wateroftyne said:

It only works for me if I hold my phone 6" or so from the pickups.

I'll give that a try - I've been right on top of the pick-ups, 3mm or so off the strings.

On 24/06/2023 at 10:39, lemmywinks said:

Are you using general Toneprints or the amp specific versions?

 

Only the amp ones work with their heads, make sure they're in the 'TonePrint Bass Amp' section with the white knob icon.

I suspect this is my problem. On neither the phone app nor the app in my laptop can I find the amp as a selectable option. I'll get back to it today and hopefully I'm missing something obvious. Any chance someone could post a screenshot of where I'll find the white knob icon?

On 24/06/2023 at 11:06, Bigguy2017 said:

Yes, use one pickup only, vol and tone on max, phone about 4" above pickup, make sure the Toneprint is for your Amp - I use the Spectracomp in my BG250 combo.

I use the SpectraComp on both my BG250 115 & BG250 112, but this BH250 + BC212 are new to me and I'd like to have the SpectraComp on that set-up too.

On 24/06/2023 at 11:47, JPJ said:

Personally, I’ve never managed to get the beaming function to work with an active bass. I just plug the usb cable between my BG250 and my computer and use the TonePrint software to download whatever effect I’m after. 

I tried this, but either the app on my laptop isn't working properly or I'm missing something.

On 25/06/2023 at 07:39, BillyBass said:

I have the Spectradrive pre amp.  The tone print beaming thing worked initially but gave up after about 5 or 6 goes.  I think the last thing I left on it was the clean boost.  As a pre amp its fine; it has a DI, the EQ section works well enough and it has an aux in and a headphone jack, if you need them.  The only problem for me with losing the tone print function is the damage to the resale value as I wouldn't use it anyway.

The versatility and lightness and clean tone is why I love these amps/combos. I use FX to get whatever final tones I want, so a clean amp tone works great for me.

Thanks guys for your replies - sincerely appreciated. 👍

Beaming hasn't worked - no variation in angle of phone to pick-up, no variation of bass, phone or amp volumes... just refuses to play ball.

I can't figure out how to download the SpectraComp TonePrint on my laptop so I can load it into the amp via USB cable.
 

TC Electronic's support system is like trying to swim through treacle. 

Any advice? Anyone got any links to tutorials?

On 11/05/2022 at 10:12, Crusoe said:

Please put your bass in its case, take it to the nearest music shop and leave it there. It will be rehoused with a loving owner. Thank you. 😄

OK. I'll let my friend know... 😗

How harshly would ye judge a guy for playing HMWYRS with a capo on first fret?

Asking for a friend...

🙄

Getting somewhere now...

I got a Woolly Mammoth clone to try instead of my El Grande - so far so good. 🙂

I've ordered an Outlaw Wye ABY box to split the signal.

I had my comp pedal early in the chain and it messed with the EHX Mono Bass Synth, so I now like one of the Spectracomp TonePrints on both amps instead.

I got a One Control single-loop pedal to put octave, fuzz & chorus in a switchable loop so I can switch to one or all of them as I choose. I currently have a TC flanger. It's nice, but I'm going to replace that with an EHX Bass Clone.

I'll replace my VXL Bass Attack with an EHX Bass Soul Food for my base grit tone (and the Woolly Mammoth clone for fuzz) - VXL takes up a lot of space.

And I got an EHX Silencer to keep it all quiet.

So far I've set up a very satisfying Hysteria sound - sharp searing bright fuzz tone in the 112 combo, with the phat tight bottom end still very present in the 115 combo.

😃

New non-Squier/Fender or used Squier?

My VMJ neck is kaput. Are the VM range the same as Affinity? And I've seen the name Relic coming up too - are they the same/similar?

Should I assume any Squire replacement (new or used) could also be crap?

TIA. 👍

Gotta scratch the 2-amp itch for myself.

I now have a TC BG250 115 (for clean/not-effected signal, collecting this Friday) and a TC BG250 112 (for effected signal), and a few pedals that I'm enjoying experimenting with. So the DI from the BG amp section will allow me to run both clean and effected signals to PA.

I'll be on the lookout for a BG250 210 or two...

This article below suggests to me that a two combo approach won't work because a combo's preamp won't handle the VXL's line-level output. 

But am I correct in interpreting that a power amp will a) handle a line-level signal OK, and b) handle an instrument-level signal that has passed through an FX pedal chain that included the VXL?

I did say I'd be asking a few questions...

I never said they wouldn't be dumb questions...

https://www.sweetwater.com/sweetcare/articles/whats-the-difference-between-mic-instrument-line-and-speaker-level-signals/#:~:text=Instrument level signals fall between,an electric guitar or bass.&text=Line level signals are the highest level signals before amplification.

Mic Level

Mic level is the voltage of signal generated by a microphone. This is the lowest, or weakest, level signal of the four and requires a preamplifier to bring it up to line level.

Instrument Level

Instrument level signals fall between mic level (lower) and line level (higher) signals. These signals refer to any level put out by an instrument, commonly from an electric guitar or bass. A preamplifier is required to bring the signal up to line level.

Line Level

Line level signals are the highest level signals before amplification. This is the type of signal that typically flows through your recording system after the preamplifier stage and before the amplifier that powers your speakers. The two types of line levels are consumer and professional.

IMPORTANT: Be careful not to send a line level signal to a preamplifier expecting a mic or instrument level signal.

Consumer line level is rated around -10dBV and is what you’ll find in products like a CD player.

Professional line level is rated around +4 dBu and can be found in equipment like mixing desks, preamplifiers, and signal processing equipment.

Speaker Level

Speaker level signals are post-amplification. After a line-level signal enters an amplifier, it exists to the speakers at what is called speaker level. These signals are much higher in voltage than line level and require speaker cables for safe signal transfer.

IMPORTANT: You should never plug a speaker level signal into a source expecting anything less than a speaker level signal.

Phase you say...

Tell me more?

I'd presumed my plan would effectively equate to two basses being played - one dry, one effected. This isn't the case?

12 hours ago, uk_lefty said:

But in a small pub you are going to take two bass amps and have a PA running subs? Seems a lot of gear for a pub, most I play in don't even have enough mains sockets for the bare minimum of kit in a 4 piece band, nevermind space for spare guitars and additional amps. Also, assuming all kit has reasonably equal power you're only sending your effects to 1 third of the output gear, and not the third that's up front and centre sending sound to the audience. I can understand bi-amping etc but I just think you'll lose the effects in this set up, making having them at all almost pointless. Surely better off finding a way to mix the sound on your effects board?

The Eden TN2252 combos (and similar, I expect) have DI outs - that would have been good...

12 hours ago, uk_lefty said:

Why aren't you sending an effects signal in to the PA? 

Typically small gigs - local pubs kinda thing, so I'm thinking that the amp channel running the affected signal will be enough.

12 hours ago, paul_5 said:

Instrument level straight out of your pedals won’t be enough to feed a power amp input - you’ll need some sort of preamp to amplify the signal to line level.

My initial version 1.0 of this was with two 2x10 combo amps (Eden Terra Nova TN2252), but they're not available anywhere now (new or used), and I'm not aware of any affordable (for me) alternative. I'd still be more interested in this set-up (two combo amps) than the power amp/speaker cabs set-up - I may return to my searching for appropriate combos...

3 hours ago, Downunderwonder said:

Your problem changes from the lows to the mids when an effect that causes a large phase shift is used. Everything gets woolly.

My old heavily effected rig got around the clean blend problem with a bunch of gear. I sent lows through unaffected and blended them back in with a phase adjustable blending system using three channels of a Wounded Paw blender.

If you only use pedals that maintain phase you can skip the phase flipping but blending clean bass lows with effected skinny string guitar range is very fun.

The other way to skin the cat is only use pedals that don't gut the lows. They are out there.

Not gonna be shopping for more FX pedals - sticking with what I have. 

Thanks for your responses guys. 👍

I may have asked this question before, but I can't find it...

I'd like to run a 2-channel set up - one clean, one effected. I'm attaching a pic of what I fancy.

The VXL can split the signal; parallel out continues instrument-level into the other effects and ultimately out to one channel of a power amp. The XLR DI out then feeds PA with clean/no effects signal, and the 1/4" jack DI out feeds line-level signal (clean/no effects) into the second channel of the power amp.

I hate the bottom end dropping out when using effects, so this is how I want to try to address that.

I welcome any comments or advice as to why this is not a good idea (forget the complexity/weight arguments - I'm OK with those issues), and any heads-ups on dangers or risks.


Thanks gang. 👍

Not a new guy, but it's been a long time since I was a frequent visitor... Life, wha...

Back in a band now again and kitting myself out with some updated gear.

I'll be asking questions everywhere now... 🙄 

Looooooong time no post...

Been roped into a band that wasn't on my radar. They have an amp I can use, but I want my own.

EC210 combo available locally at a price I'm happy to pay.

NSP115 also available locally (separately) at a price I'm happy to pay.

Would this be a pairing that would work in a typical pub gig? Punky & rocky stuff, Yamaha BB605 bass.

TIA for any help. 👍

Mark

My VXL Bass Attack has a parallel output, carrying the dry input signal - that's the job.

Roll on the xmas corporate gigs - this GAS is unbearable.


Mark

Got a reply from Korg support. The two outputs from the DT-10 can be used at the same time, with the obvious caviat that the Bypass output would not be muted while tuning.

Anyone got any idea whether some rewiring or something would be easy to do inside the DT-10 to make both outputs mute while tuning? That's probably too much dicking around, TBH, but you never know . . .


Mark

So Finbar, regardless of how silly your rig was getting, did you like you sound when you were splitting your signal? Was the P-Split noisy? Did it affect your tone in any way?

Dood, I presume "elave" is fatfingers for "slave"? I hear you and I'll look into it.

I guess I'm not unique - I just want phat, solid, clean fundamental tone, no matter what effects I'm engaging. But I want my effected tone(s) to still sing out loud & proud as well. 2 separate signal paths seems the purest way.


Till I splash out, my plans might keep changing, but for the mo, this is my plan for my board:




The connectivity would go like this:

Glad to hear someone achieving this split signal idea. I've been looking into something similar for a few months, though in my case, I want to supply a clean, unaffected signal to one channel of a power amp [i]and[/i] to one channel of our PA, and another, effected, signal to the other channel of the power amp [i]and[/i] a second PA channel.

Do you guys reckon the power amp you use is crucial? Would you get away with a cheapie, or might that be negating any gain from splitting the signal?


[quote name='Finbar' post='947529' date='Sep 6 2010, 07:19 PM']I don't think combine was the right word. But I know what was meant by it.

I very much like my Lehle P-Split for this job. Splits stuff just fine and I think it's actually bombproof.

Might be a little pricey though.[/quote]

So how's the P-Split working out? Is it the P-Split II? I've my eye on one for my rig, when I can afford it.


[quote name='Gareth Hughes' post='948306' date='Sep 7 2010, 02:04 PM']Here's a possible option - if you have a Boss TU-2 tuner pedal - both of those outputs work at the same time, and apparently with no signal degradation. This sounds highly suspect, except that it was shown to me by Joylan Thomas on a session he was engineering alongside Ken Thomas producing. Ken Thomas was heavily involved in a lot of the early Sigur Ros records, and more recently the last Moby record. I don't say this to name drop but rather that if it was good enough sonically for them in a studio then I'll take it!!![/quote]

I wonder if the same is true with my Korg DT-10? It has a bypass out and a "normal" out - could both be used at the same time?. I might try that before I splash on the Lehle.


Mark

I reckon my El Grande is faulty. I hope it is, and that I can get it repaired/replaced (still in warranty), cos I LOVE the fuzz. Nicer than the Blow Torch. I've contacted MusicStore and await their reply . . .

I threw this quick vid up onto youtube to show the hum/noise I'm talking about.

TBH, I don't really want to replace the El Grande, unless the noise is an inherent feature http://basschat.co.uk/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR%23>/blink.png The Blow Torch is close, but not as nice.

Based on online videos & reviews/comments, I've pretty much settled on the VT Bass for grit, and El Grande for fuzz. Now just gotta start saving for the VT and cross me fingers for the El Grande.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MhX-B84-3ik


Mark

Thanks SF.

Hi,

Why do some manufacturers make some of their pedals 18v and some 9v?

My MXR El Grande is 9v, but my mate's MXR BlowTorch is 18v - why do this?

I prefer the fuzz from my El Grande, he prefers his BlowTorch (he plays bass in a different band, and we sort of share the same pedalboard). I've wired the board up with a GigRig Distributor, but I'd have to buy extra stuff to bring the BlowTorch into my board. Pain.

Does 18v provide cleaner (less noise/hum) fuzz than 9v?


Thanks,

Mark

Hi,

Is the Muff still for sale? I'm in Dublin - how much to ship to me?


Thanks,

Mark

This is so sad.

It feels odd to become upset over the passing of a person you only interacted with online, but from all the posts on this thread, it's clear Si was as nice & genuine in person as he was online.

I bought his Ibanez Weeping Demon a while back. He posted it to me even before I could get the money together to actually pay him for it . . .

Gonna give it a good ol wow-wow-chicka-wow-wow next rehearsal . . .

RIP


Mark

Hi Gang,

I love the gritty tones I can get with my Hartke VXL Bass Attack, but the inability to control its volume boost when the Harmonics is engaged is a problem I can't work around.

I'm using an MXR BlowTorch for fuzz (think Muse's Starlight), but I also need something for dirty grit (think Roundabout, Siberian Khatru etc). The VXL does Roundabout etc really well, and I love the Shape control of the VXL, but what's out there that can replace the VXL for that gritty tone? I only need the tone, not the connectivity functionality of the VXL.

Tech 21 Bass VT? It's pretty expensive, but I'd consider it if it was the right pedal.

FWIW, I bought an MXR El Grande for fuzz, but the noise is atrocious when I pump the gain to get the fuzz tone I want - the BlowTorch doesn't seem to suffer anywhere near the same amount of noise.


Thanks,

Mark