WinterMute

9 minutes ago, iconic said:

And keep you regular. 

Needs to be quite a lot lower to hit "the brown sound" 7-14hz at significant amplitude may affect the lower bowels...

Consider that the shock wave of an explosion is essentially a 1Hz sound wave once you're out of the actual blast/shrapnel zone, I'm damn sure that'll have a major influence on your energy field...

Otherwise, complete b*ll*cks.

Bought tons of kit for the Wapping Bass Centre over the years, Ampeg 8x10, GK 800RB, TE 4x10, pedals and my Warwick Thumb 5 in 1988. 

Still have a Bass Centre gig bag kicking around somewhere, although almost everything else is gone...

It was a great place to try stuff out, bit of a faff to get there but the staff were great and you could noodle around all day.

Sadly missed.

I have a QSC K12.2, plenty of power, plenty of bass for 5 string, one hand lift in a bag...

Everything's modelled in the Quad Cortex, all I need is something to make it loud, the monitor format is brilliant for rehearsal and stage and it's got a balanced DI output for the main PA.

Very nice indeed, Alan's work never fails to impress.

They rarely come up but the Tony Levin signature OLP 5 string is an absolute gem and usually goes well under £350, which is a bit of a crime IMO. 

Mine had a Bartolini Pre-amp and pup, but the stock offering is very good.

Otherwise, another vote for the Sterling Ray 35s, excellent basses without paying the premium for the full on SR5, and the aforementioned Skylines.

I played a Warwick Thumb for 20 years, and beautiful it was, but I've never come across anything in their lower ranges that compares well. YMMV.

Are you sure it's not a latency issues, are you listening to the input bass sound when recording rather than the output from the DAW?

If the timing is absolutely consistently ahead, then you may be suffering from the round-trip latency of the system, it's worth checking.

If thats the case, as BigRedX says, drag the track back into line with the drums and see what it sounds like.

On 20/03/2023 at 12:14, toneknob said:

Jonas Hellborg with Wal fretted/fretless

 

I bumped into Jonas in a lift in Olympia on his way to a demo with that beast round his neck, I believe it was for electronic drums and he'd just turned up to play with his mate...

Honestly didn't recognise him at first as I was ogling the bass..!

I've used Etymotic ER20XS passive earplugs for years, 20db attenuation, flat response, dirt cheap. 

https://www.etymotic.com/product/er20xs/

The old Focusrite Octapre was a good unit, and has optical outputs on some models. 
 

The pres aren’t their best offering but they are serviceable and there’s 8 of them…

Edit: This is on Reverb right now, don't know wether this constitutes "cheap" but it ticks all your boxes and adds a bunch more pres to your rig.

https://reverb.com/uk/item/64024902-focusrite-octopre-mkii-8-channel-mic-preamp-with-adat-optical-output

That's pretty standard, it's also why a lot of engineers prefer to record and mix rather than just mix, as they're assured of the edits and the comping etc.

Still no idea why he thought it was OK to remove your performances without discussing it, not cool.

Drummers and bassist do get replaced in some genres a lot, but only by prior agreement. it remains cheaper to programme drums rather than record live drums, although to my ears it never sounds as good.

If the bass signal wasn't "hot" enough, he could have increased the gain with any number of gain stage devices in any number of DAWs. That was not an honest thing to do and I'd be p*ssed if it was my project.

The most important aspect of mixing someone else's music is a clear understanding of what they want it to sound like, and how they've gone about recording it, if it's a live band feel, that needs to be retained, if it's a Mutt Lange re-build note by note then attention to detail is essential. Good engineers respond to the music, the musicians and the intention. I have a list of questions I use to get to the meat of what an artist wants, even if I'm only engineering, not producing.

There are limitations to what can be done with some self-recordings, particularly where distortion is concerned, but there are tools available to make a fist of almost every recording error these days.

When you say "stems" what do you mean? If I was mixing your track, I'd want everything as close to original as possible, "stems" is a term that comes from Post Production engineers to describe sub-mixed groups of tracks. Do you mean comped and editing tracks?

Best SR5 ever made IMO, although I'd really like to try the 35th anniversary model as it looks very slick.

My 2 SR5's a 20th Anniversary and a very hybrid fretless based on a EBMM SR5 neck, an OLP body and Bartolini pups/pre.

On 11/03/2023 at 13:55, paul_5 said:

'The Future' by the incredible Leonard Cohen. Brilliant stuff.

 

 

I was at that concert, when he performed "Thousand Kisses Deep" as a poem, the place was silent, 25000 people hanging one the words of one old bastard in a suit... Utterly unforgettable.

Decent mic preamps are pricey in the general market, anything with a name attracts silly money.

You could do worse than picking up an Audient ID14 USB interface and using it in stand alone mode, the mic amps on those are identical to the ones on the ASP8024 console and are very serviceable indeed, if  slightly lacking in the kind of character a Neve 1073 might possess. They do a 4 input version, the ID44, but it's newer and more expensive as you'd expect. You can run it as a hardware input mixer without the USB attached, and route the mic pres to the line outs.

The ID range are great interfaces in their own right, built like tanks and very capable indeed, under-rated IMO.

Proggy self-indulgent studio band: Newton's Wake after the Ken Mcleod novel.

Imaginary Post-ironic Indie band: Putin's Tiny Horse.

I have DB25 on my UAD2 A16, once they're set up they don't get moved much, which is where patch bays come in handy, and yes they're fully balanced as the others have noted.

VDC make excellent D-sub looms to any specification, I'v had VDC looms in my room for years and often spec them in audio designs, they are not cheap but they are 99.9% perfect at manufacture and they last.

18 minutes ago, Beedster said:

Thanks @WinterMute, much appreciated, it's only just occurred to me that the most obvious way of reducing cable problems is to un the front patch-bay to the DB25 input on the UAD rather than to the separate XLR ins, is tyere any reason why this is not a good idea (would I expect better quality with XLR for example)? 

XLR balanced connections won't make the sound any better, unless you've been using properly poor cables before, but they do eliminate hum and EM interference. They also allow signals to pass over longer distances as the impedance doesn't factor as much.

I'd need to look at your system to decide what might be the best way of approaching the problem, it's not an academic exercise...

If your balanced cables are in good order (XLR), it shouldn't matter, but it's not a great idea passing signal though multiple connections, as each one is a point of failure and can induce problems, you may also unbalance the signal with a poorly or wrongly soldered cable, which will leave you open to EM interference.

That said, mic signals get passed through multiple patch bay connections in your standard TT or Bantam patch-bay as a matter of course in most studios, with no ill effects, but the patchbays and patch cables are all balanced and checked.

I'd try to keep it down to as few cables as possible, even if that means a bit of creative rewiring on the fly.

Just now, Balcro said:

 

That's the theory but probably not practicable inside a small studio. You might manage 1dB, but that is barely detectable by the ear.

It's usually described as 3db per meter from the point source, but speakers are complex sound generators and small rooms have nodes that will interact with some frequencies.

Bottom line: it'll be as loud as it was before but might sound a bit different.

Yes, physically, you can always turn the amp up and down.

The further you are from the speakers the lower the SPL and the more the room plays a part in the sound you hear as reflected sound become a larger component reaching your ears.

You will have altered the acoustics in the room as the sound will be active in the space behind the speakers, which will depend on the design of your speakers, rear v front port etc.

6 hours ago, Leonard Smalls said:

I read the book, and thought at the time it was destined to be a film or tv series! Might give it a go, though I found the book slightly annoying in the egomania stakes - I'll bet this doesn't tone it down! and mixing that with 70s style MOR might be pushing it just a little to far for li'l ol' me!

Anyway:

https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2023/mar/03/daisy-jones-the-six-review-not-even-elviss-grandkid-can-save-this-70s-rocknroll-saga

There you go, Mumford's on the songwriting team... I knew I detected his dreary style... 😉

I don't know, the performances are great, and the story is interesting enough, but I can't help thinking that the original songs composed for the show just aren't very good...

Maybe they are going to get better as the show progresses to indicate the growing experience of the band, the song at the end of the 3rd episode isn't bad. 

That would be quite impressive...

I'll probably watch all of it, but Spinal Tap is the only mockumentary I can think of with "decent" songs and they were all pisstakes.

You could do worse than this Lakland on the marketplace I think...

On 02/10/2008 at 02:59, En_Djinn said:

[quote name='steve-soar' post='276597' date='Sep 3 2008, 11:11 PM']are there any other producers that are bassists?[/quote]

Can't believe no-ones mentioned Mike Howlett.

Bass player for Gong.

Put together a band called Strontium 90 that later found fame as The Police.

A founding member of the Record Producers Guild, now called the Music Producers Guild (of which he is currently chairman) [url="http://www.mpg.org.uk/home"]http://www.mpg.org.uk/home[/url]

Grammy Award winning producer, check out the biography: [url="http://www.mikehowlett.co.uk/"]http://www.mikehowlett.co.uk/[/url]

Gratuitous groove link http://basschat.co.uk/public/style_emoticons/%3C#EMO_DIR%23%3E/smile.png


Not like I'm a fan or anything http://basschat.co.uk/public/style_emoticons/%3C#EMO_DIR%23%3E/wink.png

I worked with Mike when we were lecturing together at UWL/LCM in London, not only is he a fine bassist and producer, but he's a thoroughly decent fellow too.

Weird in that 70's slightly spaced out way, but a genuinely fine human being.