BobBracker2222

9 hours ago, Phil Starr said:

For vocals it is the midrange that matters, as speaker size increases the higher frequencies fall of at the sides of the speaker, almost the whole of your vocal range will suffer from this distortion with a 12" speaker. Depending upon your vocal range and timbre a 15 would not be suitable at all. That's why the horn is there, nearly all of your vocal frequencies will come out of the horn. The frequencies are shared out by a crossover and this usually happens in the middle of the vocal range. This introduces it's own distortions and because of where it occurs we are very sensitive to distortions at those frequencies. The best vocal sound then is more dependent upon a quality horn and driver and the crossover design than the bass driver, which is why size doesn't matter much with vocals. The 12 does the bass notes below your vocal frequency.

 

Are you saying I should of gone for an 8" or a 10"?

I was told that 12" was best for vocals, what size cone where you thinking?

afraid its all to late now as I have ordered it all, but hear is a link to my mixer manual anyway

https://media63.musictribe.com/media/PLM/data/docs/P0571/1202FX_1002FX_QSG_WW.pdf

Go down to page 8 and 9 and you will see the main out and monitor ports. Not sure if they are balanced or unbalanced

NO! this 3.5mm cable I ordered from ebay is for the monitor not the PA speakers

18 minutes ago, BassBunny said:

Assuming the leads have decent cable you should be ok as they at least have decent plugs.

The problem is the longer the lead gets, the more resistance it puts up, so I don't know if 10 meter is to long and I should just go for the 5

This is just what I purchased
Its a 10 meter 3.5mm jack extension cable that I will use on my monitor
I made sure I got a good quality one as its a little amount of signal going down the cable for a lot of length! They say its oxygen free copper so conducts electricity better
I plan to tape it to my microphone cable with insulation tape about every meter apart so to keep the wires tidy
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/10M-Metre-3-5mm-Stereo-Jack-Headphone-Extension-Cable-Aux-Audio-Lead-OFC-GOLD/291289861099?epid=1662370259&hash=item43d23a8beb:g:j4YAAOSwE1tcboRN

12 hours ago, yorks5stringer said:

Re the cable , you have 2 inputs on the back which as I said are dual (will take either xlr or jack), the other is an output which is just male xlr.

Before I go and order all of this, including the cables
Are you 100% they are a 1/4" plug input on the back of the speaker as it is very hard to see from the photo

Anyway, 2 of these cable for bough speakers
https://www.thomann.de/gb/fun_generation_ins_10.htm

And again the speakers itself (4th photo)
https://www.thomann.de/gb/the_box_pa_12_dsp.htm

And I'll get myself a pair of speaker stands as well https://www.thomann.de/gb/fun_generation_speaker_stand_pair.htm

Thanks

Yer thats the beter type of the 2 types of cables, I have 2 myself

11 minutes ago, Stub Mandrel said:

On the cables, the 'snake' ones get pretty poor reviews as being noisy.

The 'fun' ones are probably OK.

My most recent ones are Stagg from Normans and they are cheap but good, no nasty noises.

 

When I was last in Dawsons I noticed they had 2 brands of stagg, the cheaper one was in a red packet and coiled up tight. The more expensive one was in a yellow packet and was wrapped up properly in its natural coil.

I imagine they coil them tight to save on shipping costs, but wires, cables and hose pipes have a natural coil and weaken/ break/ kink if you coil them tight and are permanently like that forever.

Needless to say if you want good quality cables, never buy the ones tightly packed

24 minutes ago, paul_c2 said:

Its a rough guide. What's the guideline with decibels?

 

I don't know, I wish there was some kind of buyers guide out there with mathematical equations. But from what I have researched I'm going to aim for 125 decibels and have 2 speakers

27 minutes ago, paul_c2 said:

Regarding what power you need for a venue, as a rough guide, and it depends on genre:

Jazz 1-2W/seat
Rock 5-10W/seat

Where 'seat' is the number of seats in venue. Eg for a 400 seater venue, plan for 2000-4000W of amplification for a rock band.

Is that wattage per speaker or total wattage? I don't think wattage is a good guide because brands like Yamaha are much more efficient then there budget cheaper brands like "the box" brand we are talking about. Always go on decibels

40 minutes ago, Stub Mandrel said:

Your best using a connector that's the same at each end. For low impedance, buffered signals from mixer to active speaker what matters most if the quality of the cable, so buy low noise ones that won't clack every time you stand on one..

I had a look at all the brands Thomman sell for cables, quite a few and differ in price. I think the first one "fun gereration" is what they use on there bundle packages

https://www.thomann.de/gb/fun_generation_ins_10.htm

https://www.thomann.de/gb/the_sssnake_sk3613_kabel.htm

https://www.thomann.de/gb/instrument_cables.html?pg=3&ls=25

https://www.thomann.de/gb/pro_snake_tpi_6.htm

https://www.thomann.de/gb/sommer_cable_the_spirit_xxl_instr_30.htm

https://www.thomann.de/gb/cordial_cai5bk_instrumentenkabel.htm

https://www.thomann.de/gb/fender_prof._cable_tweed_red_45m.htm

https://www.thomann.de/gb/monster_cable_classic_instrument_6_ww.htm

I was told if its unbalanced to unbalanced it should be OK but not unbalanced to balanced

Do you think I would get a better signal if I went from my mixer from 1/4" TRS to XLR to the speaker rather then 1/4" TRS from my mixer to 1/4" TRS to the speakers?

3 hours ago, Stub Mandrel said:

May I assist? 🙂

OK forund it thanks

5 hours ago, BassBunny said:

Assuming your mixer has XLR outs, I would just use XLR-XLR cables every day. Much better than jacks.

unfortunately its a budget mixer
https://www.gear4music.com/PA-DJ-and-Lighting/Behringer-XENYX-1002FX-Mixer/2A7

Do you think XLR is better then 1/4" for audio quality or are the fitting just much stronger and will last longer?

5 hours ago, yorks5stringer said:

Re the cable , you have 2 inputs on the back which as I said are dual (will take either xlr or jack), the other is an output which is just male xlr.

What is jack?

phono/ RCA or 1/4" phone?

1 hour ago, yorks5stringer said:

It's below all that you quote alongside the reviews (unless you have not got a full page optimised)? 

Re the XLR/ Jacks issue they are a dual socket, so you can use either in them, a jack to xlr or jack-jack, just not xlr-xlr if your mixer has not got xlr's, which is unusual?

my browser must not be displaying what your browser displays then, but if you say you can see a 3 year warranty written on the page then I will take your word for it

Regarding the cable for it, from the photo it looks like one male XLR and 2 female XLR ports
Im I right in thinking that if I got myself 1 male or female XLR to 1/4" male cable then it should do the job?

41 minutes ago, jrixn1 said:

I'm not 100% of your intention, but since you've posted in the "Amps and Cabs" forum - are going to play a bass guitar through them? I don't think it will sound very good.

Since there was no forum for speakers though this one was the best for it

I am a solo singer to backing tracks only. The cones of the speakers are 12" and I was told that 12" was best for vocals and 15" was best for bass

Another question I have about these speaker, if anyone can help me out please

Is what cable do I need to purchase so I can go from my mixer to the speakers?
As it is very difficult to see from the photos and make out from the description
I see an XLR port in photo 4, and 2 other ports, in the description is says 2 XLR/Jack Inputs. Can't see why it would need 2 input cables.

But my mixer main out ports are 1/4"
Thanks

PS also. The speakers are rated at Maximum SPL: 128 dB. With a pair of them how big of a venue do you think I could work/ cover?

All I see below the price is the following

(copy and pasted from the page)

1 hour ago, BassBunny said:

As far as warranty, it's in the product description that it's covered for 3 years.

Can't see that in the description

51 minutes ago, yorks5stringer said:

If the OP reads the reviews (below the item description, just keep scrolling down) they should get some idea how the speakers perform.

I don't read reviews because a lot of the time the companies selling/ making it write the reviews them selfs

So if I bough a pair of these then, do you think it would be OK for a smallish gig?
https://www.thomann.de/gb/the_box_pa_12_dsp.htm

Hopefully someone will call on hear later that has had personal experiences with "The box speakers"
Wondering what they will sound like

6 hours ago, BassBunny said:

DD is correct, you get what you pay for. They are Thomman's House Brand for PA Gear, (speakers and power amps),

They sell a lot of these bundle kits with these speakers included

6 hours ago, BassBunny said:

Regarding warranty, they should have 3 years the same as most products supplied by Thomman

This is the speaker I had in mind
https://www.thomann.de/gb/the_box_pa_12_dsp.htm
But I see nothing about warranty on the description!

6 hours ago, BassBunny said:

 and in my experience with them, they are great at handling warranty claims. Anything i have had an issue with they have paid the return postage.

So you have had issues with there gear in the past and they sorted it for you no problem?

Hi all

Has anyone heard of "the box speakers"?
I have googled it and all there is, is a company based in Germany selling them called Thomman. There is no mention of "the Boxes" web site.

They are quite cheap in price for the sound they produce so trying to work out if they are some domestic rubbish made somewhere in China that are masses produced and a different badge/ sticker is put on them for each customer. Or are they proper speaker for professionals using them to gig with every weekend

Looked at them for sale on the Thomman web site and there is no mention of manufactures warranty and since the company is based in Germany it would seam to be very difficult to sort out if they went wrong somewhere later on