Trace Elliot GP7 2x10 - pre or post Gibson? what are the giveaways?

a universe of thumbs up on the B-DEC! can't praise it high enuf for all-in-1 value and overall quality.

On 04/07/2018 at 11:21, kodiakblair said:

I'll remember that. Shipping doesn't look too bad, quotes I see are $200 to $250. One TNT quote did say $150 but with the 2 other TNT quotes giving prices then saying "service not available between these addresses", it'll need further investigation.

well... it was a nice thot any way lol too bad you're not on my island!

On 28/06/2018 at 23:39, kodiakblair said:

You'll be the first I'll contact when the clear out starts 🙂

I want on that list too! lol

On 22/06/2018 at 02:02, The59Sound said:

Such a shame they don't do the Zodiac anymore... I'm actually tempted to buy a Milestone 4 (PJ config), change the pups to SDs and restring with D'Addarios. Almost the exact same spec as a DE Scorpio then! 

mine with the EMG-HZs and mystery rounds is so good straight off the truck I'll just get another PZBXP and see what flats, maybe rosewood, and different PUs do.

GC had this lil devil @ $125US earlier today! for me these are the greatest discovery in ages.

the G&L and others are no doubt fine considerations but in my corner stands the lightweight champion with tons of big balls and heavy punch called the Peavey Zodiac BXP which I've posted about somewhere here on BC. the neck is to die for and if a slim taper is your need I think you'll love how it virtually disappears at the nut yet is surprisingly comfortable for myself who enjoys a bit of chunk. among my dozen inexpensive basses and an L2KT this is my favorite along with my old standby P the '80s Matsumoku made Lotus L-750 which is very different in every way from the Zodiac, can be found for pennies, and holds it's own in any town. both have the looks, sound, total comfort, and dirt cheap prices to make them prized pieces. like with any bass an electronic upgrade can elevate them from great to greater.

here's a stock photo, mine is naked (sans scratchplate) and IMO is one of the sexiest basses ever designed. the optional pax are nice but the burst / maple is sweet.

if a straight P is preferable they have this one which is often even less costly, there's a black one online in the States for $99! these foreign Peaveys are not crap.

https://www.ebay.com/i/183206260257?chn=ps

 a nice guy but troubled soul at times who never got due credit being often confused on record with Peter Green's superb vocals and guitar playing.

Just now, dmccombe7 said:

Think its the guitarists wife Brandi that took over playing bass.

rather handy having a big bottom buster in your pocket ready to go as needed! she's incredible, really takes the music to another realm.

11 minutes ago, dmccombe7 said:

Ozric Tentacles are still going. Have a couple of mates that are huge fans of them and never miss a local gig by them in Glasgow.

I can see why many people thought Prog was tedious as it was more about technical ability and long drawn out songs that even myself as a Prog fan would find a bit too much and then along came the punk guys and i loved that change of pace too.

Altho i never regarded myself as a punk fan having hair down to my waist into mid to late 80's i really enjoyed a lot of the punk bands incl Pistols, Clash, Sham 69, Skids and Motors to name some i can remember. 

That was wiped aside by New Romantic movement if memory serves me right and many of those bands started off from punk bands but wanted fashion to play a part in their music. Again some great bands came out of that some of which are still going.

Dave

yeah, I'm listening to some OT from a coupla yrs ago, they got a monster bassist, I think it's ...a ...girl! LOL 

the thing with the punks hating prog was basic immaturity combined with natural rebellion, and bands like ELP were easy targets post '75 for boneheads who barely cared about their instruments or much of anything, and I can appreciate the whole ethos, yet anyone going to slag Greg Lake is beyond foolish and ELP's early stuff still slays. I mean Punk started in London and did so from 1 lone Stooges show, where would these kids have been had The Stooges not ventured to London for one last gasp? legend sez the few who went to that show came out and started a band or were involved with the new movement, everybody took from a Detroit / LA hard rock gutter band and started something which had died in LA and was buried in London and out of that came a new genre which lasts today. that's pretty damn cool.

I missed the whole Punk genesis in LA by moving to Honolulu in mid '75 so I had to play catch up from afar and instantly became a Pistols fanatic with their demo LP for Bullocks, to me they were street geniuses once they became a band and I really never cared for the rest of the UK output. I still preferred the US scene and then Iggy hit again with Bowie in '77 and off it went into a whole other realm of attitude rock which petered out in a decade as the '80s changed the face of rock and pretty much sucked the life out of real Rock n Roll. but it's like Gene Simmons sez, it's all about when you got on the train. in relation to KISS, if you were young and just getting into rock music and they were a big impression on you then you went nuts for KISS, but if you were merely 2 years ahead of that then you probably thot they were a joke. it's all relative but I learned early to have an open mind and ear after being stupid about bands I dismissed and then wised up on. it's been a fun journey and you bet I'm 'old' and happy that I got to see most all the good vintage bands in their prime! now... thank god for the internet! LOL

49 minutes ago, dmccombe7 said:

I'm a fan of Prog and used to think Prog peaked in 70's with Genesis & Floyd but over last 10 years i started reading the Prog mag and the free CD's gave me an insight into some fantastic bands i thought had retired many years before and some other "new" Prog bands i'd simply never heard off. 

 

 

I often have issues with modern proggers much like I did back in the '60s and '70s, such as most of the Italian bands were too operatic, but when it's good it's great. France, Poland, the Czechs, the Dutch etc. had incredible stuff going and actually got recorded to insane degrees, tons of output but mostly unknown. I've always been huge on (forgive the term) Krautrock with Amon Duul II and CAN being top shelf but two of my Euro faves whom I believe are still going strong are Agitation Free and Ozric Tentacles, I could live on those two alone. Ax Gengrich, guitarist formerly of Agitation Free is rather special as are his old cohorts, in particular percussionist Mani Neumeier from Guru Guru, these guys are all ancient yet still killing it. I've never heard what the punkers thot of Euro prog / Krautrock but I always considered those bands to be more Punk than most Punk bands, those guys just didn't give a damn about much of anything except the music! today, I can't sit thru much of the current fare and still look for what's cool but I like the old school vibe.

https://www.facebook.com/ax.genrich

http://www.psychedelicbabymag.com/2012/09/guru-guru-interview-with-ax-genrich.html

https://www.facebook.com/Mani.Neumeier1/

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Ozric+Tentacles

at least you caught the last gasp hurrah w/ Janes / Porno, Nirvana etc., that was as close to the vintage days as you'll see, it was really good. enjoy what you got.

37 minutes ago, skankdelvar said:

1930-1977

I'm on board with that! the greatest 50 years in all history and future.

1 hour ago, dmccombe7 said:

See where you're coming from now. In a way i agree. When popular music gets bland something powerful and refreshing comes along to sweep all the drivel away. I guess that's happened quite a few times over past 50 yrs.

but can that really happen again? not to repeat the old Patent Office fallacy of nothing new to be invented but re Rock what could possibly be new AND great?

'50s, '60s, and early '70s RnR was mostly pretty dumb but certainly had it's immense charms to our parent's chagrin LOL as did the smatypants proggers, then glam and Punk took it to the bottom of the barrel but still retaining cred, after that was the 'grunge' Renaissance which gloriously hit but of course eventually stagnated and we've been left with a weak amalgam of all those bright spots with a few exceptions. is there really any high octane left in the tank or are we just running on fumes?

55 minutes ago, ricksterphil said:

Quadraphenia is a work of genius imo...........discuss!

Q is still my fave Who stuff along with Next and got lucky to see the 2nd show of the '73 North American Quadrophenia Tour right after Keith's infamous crash and burn in Frisco. 1st of 2 nites @ The Fab Forum in LA and got a rare encore, Pete smashing his Les Paul, and two My Generations in one show! can't stand much of Tommy.

2 hours ago, yorks5stringer said:

Won't the 3 existing screws ( assuming the worst happens) be able to stop the neck flying over my shoulder and taking out the drummer?

I'd put up one of those full plexi sound screens around the kit if you're risking it that far! LOL

2 hours ago, mcnach said:

 

well... I'm going to be using a bass just like the one in the OP at one of my next gigs (my girlfriend's bass, she wants me to use it live)... I bet that because of this thread NOW it'll fail

(don't think so   I'll report back)

LOL nah, just keep at a Flea level or less and you'll be back for more! but a clip of the gig would be cool 😎

31 minutes ago, mcnach said:

 

I can't imagine it's that big of a deal... they sell Squier instruments by the thousands, and how many had their neck come off?

we don't know and it may be 0 but I'd rather be safe than sorry, especially on stage. in the grand scheme most will never notice... until that moment! LOL

3 minutes ago, yorks5stringer said:

Looks like I'm screwed then?

LOL your choice, screwed or unscrewed, I haven't bothered yet to change mine!

au contraire, others have mentioned the same issues I encountered once the the concerns were brought up, it's just not talked about much.

I guess we can add expensive basses too, that's rather shocking!

4 hours ago, yorks5stringer said:

So I either leave the' cast and skinny' screws alone, or try and remove them and risk a head breaking off....sleepless nights ahead😨

LOL yes! if you're out gigging hard do so at your own risk cos I can see a neck coming off in a moment of high expression. I doubt you'll have one pop off like mine, but this is a real thing and I was pretty shocked at the inexcusable cheapness at a high stress point. this is my standard PSA on the issue cos I care LOL good luck!

1 hour ago, dmccombe7 said:

There was also a more limited style or "labelling" of Rock before 71 compared to what is classed as Rock today therefore more bands were playing similar styles of Rock.

Prog was going in late 60's but recognized as peaking in mid to late 70's.

Today we have Rock, Classic Rock, Prog Rock, Heavy Rock, Indie, Metal, Thrash, even Folk rock and probably more that i can't think off at the moment. 

My point being that back in 71 it was all more or less classed as simply Rock and may have seemed like there were more "Rock" bands about

What do fellow BC'ers class as Rock music ?

Dave

that's one of the problems LOL the huge tent coined Rock includes virtually anything BUT actual ROCK! ever since the internet gave us tons of great stuff we might have missed back in the day I've become an even bigger fan of Mountain, when Leslie was up for it they were as good as anyone on stage, our boy Felix was the brains behind all that and his voice and bass remain monstrous examples of good ol' hard rock while Corky's simplistic pounding was perfect. for it to be great it's got to, as Little Richard says, make your big toe shoot up in your boot! other wise as Malcolm Young said, it's stinky poo! LOL

8 minutes ago, mcnach said:

 

It's not a VM.

I'd bet most Squiers are similarly outfitted with insufficient hardware 

35 minutes ago, yorks5stringer said:

Cool, looks like they swapped basses for the night?

I'm guessing no, and that leads to more intrigue!

25 minutes ago, knirirr said:

If this is it, looks quite nice:

http://www.vintageguitar.com/3203/peavey-t-20/

Does yours have markings on the neck like that?

they're all exactly like that, no options for the FL, and over-engineered as are the T series basses yet not heavy like the T-40. just great axes.

nifty streamlined version of a classic, lightweight indeed and not shy of tone, maybe the most friendly neck / fretboard out of my dozen. BUT, I strongly suggest you carefully remove the garbage cast and skinny neck plate screws then replace with real steel. I had a screw head come off with no effort at the most critical point on a bass! but these are fun sticks and great mod platforms, flatwounds should suit these VMs even better.