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Best value dedicated stage monitor around for £400 is the Turbosound TFX112M-AN

Active, built in feedback control.  Can be used as a FOH speaker if needed.... and has a 10 year warranty.

Yes the Pre's are different in the Behringer units... There's the designed by Midas pre's and the Midas pre's they use in the M series...  TBH you wouldn't notice it on the MR18..... 

 

On 15/10/2018 at 22:05, Phil Starr said:

This is kind of interesting, Music Group (Behringer) are gradually accumulating a lot of other companies. Bugera, Turbosound, TC, Tannoy, Klark Technic, Midas and so on. A lot of these companies have good reputations for quality products and Behringer basically don't. In practice the reliability of Behringer has been improving and was always patchy, some of their stuff has always been reliable. For me the big downfall has been in after sales, I recently had to repair a Behringer stage monitor which failed just out of warranty, it was the devil's own job to track down spares. 

It isn't a 1000W amp. The 2000W Bugera Veyron https://www.basschat.co.uk/topic/331141-nad-bugera-veyron-bv1001m/ turns out to be a 500W amp so expect this to be a 250W amp. The Turbosound speaker may be a Turbosound but as this is also owned by Behringer it is their right to call any speaker a 'Turbosound' though they may be using the Turbosound technology. In any case 12" speakers are limited by their nature to around 300W maximum so you know the amp won't be more powerful than that. The controls look like the Veyron BV100 so they've used the front end of that amp. Maybe they've just used the same board but tweaked the DSP to make sure the power doesn't blow the speaker.

So this is probably a 250W 1x12, music group have no technical details on the Bugera website other than the bonkers advertising claims. This is an incredibly cheap combo, you've effectively got the speaker thrown in for nothing. The Behringer I repaired was really well put together for the price though the cab was a bit heavy, made of MDF. I'd hazard a guess that this is the same. Reliability for Behringer is getting better. I've no idea if they use the same after sales for Bugera as for Behringer if so you'd better hope it's one of the good ones. 

It's going to be interesting which way Music Group go in the next couple of years. According to Wikipedia they are retaining the European staff at most of the companies they are taking over and they may give them some independence in design and development, but I've noticed the Midas 18 digital mixer comes in an identical case to the Behringer XR18 with the same specifications at a roughly £100 premium. It may have detailed improvements but nothing in their literature details any.

It's great value for money, it'd be really interesting to get it next to the Fender Rumble 100 or one of the other 12" combos like the Hartke KB12 both of which are more expensive. If it is basically the Veyron with a Turbosound speaker it could be a real bargain but if it sounds too good to be true then it probably is.

Re the MR18.... there are better pre's in the Midas version to the Behri.... plus you now get a 10 year warranty on Midas products.  Behri dropped prices earlier in the month accross most of their CREA range so there is a bigger price difference now.

The BV amps are actually designs taken from the TC RH range.... obviously not the same specs but the tech is from TC. ;o)

 

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I'm still waiting to put together my disco/funk band Ars e Wind & Fire

If you have the budget... get one of these.  Plays regular compact cassettes to digital output. 

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Philips-900-Series-Digital-Compact-Cassette-Recorder-DCC-900/182916311557?hash=item2a96a96a05:g:uKAAAOSwiBJaFFPn

You can also use the Midi function to link a physical control surface if you want such as the X-Touch. Obviously that increases the cost though

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...assuming one has the budget for such things.
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Not expensive these days though

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It seems stupid, when the cost of a better router is insignificant compared with what it costs to build the mixer in the first place. That's Behringer for you. And why would you want to test with a set up you aren't going to use live? If the inbuilt router is so rubbish then it would make more sense to replace it with a RJ45 socket and for users to supply their own. That way Behringer could save even more money. Although IMO RJ45 connectors and Cat5 cables on the whole aren't sufficiently gig proof either.
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Actually the issues generally arise because of placement by the users and other wi-fi frequencies . a lot of bands tend to place the box at the back of the stage which is usually cluttered with cabs, cables and other stuff.... place in line of sight as you would with most RF equipment and you will have much better results.

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That Midas looks identical to the behringer!!!!
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It is apart from the Pre-amps, busses .... and the 10 year warranty

Have a look at the Midas MR18 or MR12 if you dont want bells and whistles.... very similar to the Behringer model (has better pre's) but has a 10 year warranty

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2x 16 Ohm loads create an 8 Ohm load.
2x 8 Ohm loads create a 4 Ohm load.
Etc.

You can't mix 'n' match cab impedance loads, ie, a 16 Ohm cab and a 8 Ohm cab together.
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Not strictly true... you can but you get missmatched loads

Thought that Jessie Ware was her usual outstanding self last week.....

[url="https://youtu.be/b3kTN4Sde1w"]https://youtu.be/b3kTN4Sde1w[/url]

Great Video... love the tune too

Websites are becoming secondary for our use though we are still using it for our ticket sales mostly. Social Media is the best platform we find though you have to invest a fair bit of time into getting it right.

WWW - http://thesignatures.co.uk/

FB - https://www.facebook.com/TheSignaturesNorthernSoulBand/

I've used the Voice Live which does a stirling job..... as with any unit that changes the original signal, its in how you set it that gets the best from the unit.

http://www.tc-helicon.com/en/products/voicelive-touch-2/

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Thank you all responders. What I have not made clear by some of the responses is that size is crucial for me. A 19" rackmount will not do the job.
The cab is 4 ohms, 2 x Eminence LA8-CNMB neos'.
The Labgruppen looks good but I haven't checked out the price yet.
Any more suggestions gratefully received.


Brian
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Hi Brian

If you need pricing drop me a line and I can put you in touch with a dealer who will sort you out.

How about a Lucia 240?

[url="http://labgruppen.com/view-model/lucia/lucia-240-2m"]http://labgruppen.com/view-model/lucia/lucia-240-2m[/url]

Is this still for sale?

Hmmmm..... Having had to put up with these sort of comments for some years due to the type of band I play with, I thought the production was pretty good.

Good to see some original artistes and for me Beverley Knight is probably the best female Soul singer the UK has produced for quite some time.

Any way... I had a T-shirt printed so I could make my view visible without having to enter into conversation with certain voices..... Apt here!

Just depends on if you want the lates gizmo's that go with it... I have a mac for tracking on OS9 still running logic 8 which works perfectly fine. I also have Macbook with Logic X but I'm happy to buy the new one when it comes out for the latest toys....

£140??? not a lot of money.... I remember paying £800 for Motu Digital Performer....

They can have my money as soon as they bring the 5 string version out

Interesting... I have one of these but mine doesnt have the switch that yours does on top. What does that do?

You could always use one at each end ;o)

The various Facebook groups Ive found to be very useful....

Maybe people are put off after the Superfly issues