The Badderer

yep. agree with that!!

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[color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]I didn't know there was a rule or aspersions would be cast for opening a post "[/font][/color][b][i]just after midnight, on a Saturday morning[/i][/b][color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]."[/font][/color]

[color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Of course, that's my mistake, I should have realized that the time the post was made was really the time the giant metal Donkey Harness over the Ric's bridge pickup is supposed to be praised as a work of art worthy of being exhibited in the Louvre.[/font][/color]
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My, my! It's not even worth wasting my time trying to communicate further with you. Just for clarity to attempt to help you... in the 11-12 hours from you opening the post, there were 3 pages of posts that occurred. How likely is it that Rickenbacker have people who have nothing better to do than trawl the web trying to shut down any thread that is anti-Rickenbacker?? Unfortunately i can only state it this simply and politely as possible, but you have some personal issues or mental health issues, and that's about as kind and helpful as I can be for you. Take a look in the mirror and have a think about yourself!

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[color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Or maybe it's xilldx seeking his revenge![/font][/color]
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Why?? Let's not become puppets of the troll please

It is sad to see more angry / opinionated posts on BC recently. The quote that jumped out to me that shows that this isn't a healthy topic for you is this...


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[color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]What I really believe is happening is that the Rickenbacker brand is in trouble and they have a negative history with this site, and either someone with the company, the dealers that depend Rick sales in the UK, or perhaps just some overzealous fans of the brand are trying to shut down criticism of the product. [/font][/color]


[color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]If you really felt strongly about someone giving their opinion about a brand, you would feel equally strongly about people saying good things about the brand. Why isn't that offensive to you? Everyone knows it's common to share experiences about a product on a forum. Look at some independent bass makers on this site; they handle themselves professionally, and don't engage in dubious arguments to try and shut down criticism.[/font][/color]
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You opened this post at just after midnight, on a Saturday morning.... and assume that there is some "Cult of Rickenbacker" made up of distributors / dealers / owners who have by 11-12 on that Saturday morning become aware of some Anti-Rickenbacker thread and moved to shut it down and defend their product. Does this sound at all strange to you? I'm sorry if someone from Rickenbacker has done something to hurt you but let it go man.

Many people have posted calm / reasoned and objective comments and yet you just want to drive this thread into a fairly angry vent against Rickenbacker. I've never owned one and only ever played one for 5 mins in my life. I think you can get a lot better bass for your money than owning a Rick / Fender, but there are also many people who like those basses and that's their call. Please think a bit more reasonably about your comments as it just takes the general tone on here downhill and that it's ok to post such poorly thought out negative comments.

well, you could see if a pedal modder would be happy to mod the pedal and add a volume knob. the only way around a volume change mid set is you either get a 2nd pedal and mod that one too, or you get pre-agreed settings for that song and in-between the songs the guitarist and singer make sure their pedals are in pre-agreed positions and you agree these with the sound engineer. if you can't get them to sort that then i'd be a bit dubious on the whole idea as you are going to have a really poor sound / volume experience for the audience. you could just heavily compress / limit the vocals through the desk assuming there is a compressor/limiter on the desk. But you need to think about it from the audience / sound engineers point of view. you're probably best of giving up on the dynamic range issues or be prepared to throw a bit more money at it and get some extra pedals to make the idea work properly. you won't just be able to make this work properly on the cheap (unless you're already using a Laptop / DAW / Audio Interface set up for part of your band set up, in which case just run the vocals through your DAW).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VW27kyh7PVM

i think that's where a lot of people start from until they start realising what pedals can do for the band / their sound..... you will then buy far too many pedals, then you will sell some, then you will have a smaller mini board, then a modular board, and at some point you might settle on a general set up..... but i think it's better to have started using them than just ignoring them because it's all a bit too much effort. I don't think pedals are for everyone, but it's good to have a play and see what happens enjoy!!

perhaps i have missed something, is there a reason you cannot just turn down the volume level of the vocoder to make sure it is at a level that matches you're singer when not using it? sure a bit of compression/limiting afterwards would help to control it, but can't you just turn the vocoder volume down?

Yeah.... limelight will do that to you..... sorry

Enthusiastic Amateur. Have been in a couple of bands for fun. Just started doing my own home studio recording. I help to run a youth music project at my church, helping to run the youth band and we've just started hosting gig nights. I play bass at church fairly regularly however the young lad i taught the basics to has taken over from me, so i'm now playing drums and electric guitar. I also help to do sound, and play bass at a bigger less frequent region youth service. I have a music degree and am just about to take 2-4 months out from my job to have a rest and spend a lot of time practicing all my instruments to a LOT higher standard as i may be doing a music performance course. I also want to spend time writing and recording my own music.

Left Foot, far better to be that way round than owning 3 different preamp pedals wondering what they do and why the hell can't you get "that sound"!!

you can just stick your bass into a DI box and send it to the PA, but what happens if you / your band ask you to tweak your sound so that it's how you like it. Or the sound man wants to make your bass sound the way he wants it to sound. If you're happy to not have that option, then a DI box is all you need, especially if you like the clean sound of your bass and happy to trust the sound engineer.

People who opt for Preamp type pedals are the type of people who want to be able to get "their" sound and then send that to the desk. Hope that's not too generalised. there are many more reasons for these pedals, but that seemed the best basic description.

Also you have assumed that people are going to use these pedals as a way of saving money through not having to buy a valve head and cab, and will run it through a cheap solid state amp which will sound pants. People who choose to use a preamp -> power amp -> nice cab set up are people who want to have more specific control over their tone and the sound that comes out the end. An Ampeg valve head will always sound like an Ampeg valve head and you can control it as such, and a lot of bass players on here want Fender Precision -> Ampeg Valve Head -> Cab and that is all they will ever want..... but what if you want several different options over the course of an evening or a week because you're in different bands or have different playing styles. There is a lot of flexibility to using a preamp pedal combined with a decent amp, or a power amp and cab.

Hope i've put this the right way, i mean it in no way to be confrontational.

bass 2 has more presence and clearer treble definition.... which on other comparisons between Fender CS and Squire basses has been the only way to distinguish them. With regard to recording and live performance, i tend to find the actual bass has a much smaller impact than the, gear it is run / recorded through. put a fairly rubbish bass through a decent pre-amp / amp / pedalboard, and you'll get a decent sound out the other end. the bigger plus points of a decent bass are, the build quality, holding its tuning, ease of playing/quality of the neck. this is where for me a quality bass starts to pull ahead, as you can play a really basic quality bass well for a certain length of time, but then it can start to become annoying when certain things start to niggle. I prefer to have a bass that i know i can pull out and know exactly how well it's going to play.

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[color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]a quick scan of the fender website and a google search and i can't find anything remotely similar except for a proper vintage one (i think this is modelled on a 64 Jazz)[/font][/color]
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you could just ask limelight to build you one that is probably better to play for about £800-£1000 and then not lose £6-700 in devaluation after buying a new fender.....

or you could probably specify a Custom Shop build for a few hundred quid more and it'll probably hold value far better because it is then a Custom Shop

beat me to it by 3 mins!!!

i'll just leave this here

http://www.thomann.de/gb/marcus_miller.html

you are mad.... £1400 for a Fender Jazz bass that isn't a Custom Shop is mental. just get one in the same colour on here 2nd hand for about £6-800 depending on the market and if you're desperate for that neck then just get a neck and pup's that you like afterwards and you'll have still spent £400 less. It's only a Jazz bass that has been mass produced slightly differently. I'd understand if it was a CS, but it isn't.

here's one from Darkglass in a Dingwall already

http://www.darkglass.com/creations/tone-capsule/

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[color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]I didn't really look too hard at NWR's bass rig (other than clocking it was a 2 x 12 on top of a 1x15)[/font][/color]
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Bloody hell!! Silly bollocks is doing it all wrong! Hope you got his number so you can send him a few corrective text messages to warn him about mixing speaker sizes!!



I am of course joking for those on this forum without a sense of humour!!

congrats man. I missed it by.... 2 hrs!

ah maaaan a SA PROG EQ is the only pedal i'm interesting in at the mo. if it falls through let me know

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[color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]This guy tried to tell me today that it made life easy for the singer - really? In Phil Lynott's range?[/font][/color]
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The guy's talking total bullcrap. 1 semitone makes no difference to a singer as if 1 semitone is the difference between them being able to sing it or not, it still means the top note is absolutely at the top end of their range, so they're still going to be caning their voice to get through the song. 1 entire tone does make a difference as there's a big difference between a top F and a top G. Sounds to me like the guitarist controls the band and is trying to use the singers vocal range to control you. the person who decides the key based on vocal range is the vocalist... if the vocalist is insisting on Db then you should ask for the song to be done in C as it makes the song even more manageable and you're not buggering around playing in semitones. If the guitarist insists on staying in normal tuning then ask to drop the song to C not Db.

My opinion would be. If they are desperate to do the Detuned instruments thing, then you all detune your instruments and play in the easier to play keys, i.e. playing in D but tuned down half a step. If they don't want to do that and insist on swapping between detuned keys and non detuned keys, the set is not going to work as you'll all be constantly changing instruments. you could do one set with detuned instruments and keys then retuned your instruments between sets and play the rest in normal keys. Seems stupid.

If the guitarist is insisting on doing stuff in Db when the song will obviously work better in D then i would have a chat about that because it will effect the whole band because if one band member is calling the shots on tunings (who is not the singer) then the band won't work because the instrumentalists have to work together to make the best possible performance.

My position would be, we either decide on standard tunings and play in simpler keys so the performance is better, or we downtune for everything and come to a sensible agreement.

it was originally written in D if these chords are correct , and with those type of bands it's been fairly standard procedure to tune your instruments down half a step to get a heavier sound. So all they're doing is tuning instruments down 1 semi-tone then play the D chords.... sounds fairly normal? is it that they are mixing detuned songs with Non detuned songs and that is making it complicated?

http://tabs.ultimate-guitar.com/g/guns_n_roses/sweet_child_o_mine_acoustic_crd.htm

well if it's the key that works for the band and that's the original key and it sounds good in it then does it matter what key it's normally played in?