lobematt Posted June 6, 2012 Share Posted June 6, 2012 Can someone just check this for me please?? Been trying to spice up a blues with some extra chords, just wondering if I'm on the right track, any errors? Any suggestions? I'm using Equinox - Coltrane Standard Chords are... C-7|%|%|%| F-7|%|C-7|%| Ab7|G9|C-7|%| What I've changed it too isn't massively different... C-7|%|%|C-7 F7| F-7|F-7 Bb7|BbM|C-7 F7| Eb-7 Ab7|D-7 G9|C-7|C-7 F7 Just trying to throw a load of 2-5s in! Over bars 5 - 7 I've been trying to use Bb Dom BeBop scale. Any comments are welcome! Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdbrewst Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 Hey Matt. Hope you're well. Careful in particular with the Ab7 - that's a tritone substitution so does't really work as a V for a ii-V. So, a tritone substitution means Ab7 is replacing D7 - a tritone away. The reason it works is because the 3rds and 7ths are shared, although switched around. So if you wanted a ii-V feel but with this substitution then it would be A-7 followed by Ab7. Jamie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdbrewst Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 Just to add - the other part of the puzzle. The reason it would be a D7 in the first place is a device called secondary dominants, you cool with that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lobematt Posted June 19, 2012 Author Share Posted June 19, 2012 [quote name='jdbrewst' timestamp='1339930284' post='1696323'] Just to add - the other part of the puzzle. The reason it would be a D7 in the first place is a device called secondary dominants, you cool with that? [/quote] Nope! Can't say I am! Cheers for the reply Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lobematt Posted June 19, 2012 Author Share Posted June 19, 2012 By the way... is this the same Jamie Brewster who used to play in Ji?? This is the Matt Lawton formally of Eighth Day Army! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazz bass 2010 Posted June 30, 2012 Share Posted June 30, 2012 Lobematt, Great tune , Coltrane actually plays it, in C# min the sound is much darker. " Your Standard Chords are... C-7|%|%|%| F-7|%|C-7|%| Ab7|G9|C-7|%| What I've changed it too isn't massively different... C-7|%|%|C-7 F7| F-7|F-7 Bb7|BbM|C-7 F7| Eb-7 Ab7|D-7 G9|C-7|C-7 F7 " |C-7 F7| is a II V to Bbmaj not Fmin7 F-7 Bb7 is a II V to Ebmaj My response you might want to check this out also try changing the Min7 chords to Min6 Cmin7/ Cmin7/Cmin7/ // Calt Fmin7/Fmin7/ Cmin7/ // Cmin7/Bb Ab7#11/ G7alt/ Cmin7 / Dmin7b5 Galt The minor II V in C min is Dmin7b5 G7b9 The Ab7 #11 is essentially a substitution for the Dmin7b5. If you wrote out the 2 scales you would see the similarities. To really get the feeling of the minor blues hang on the regular changes , e.g. the b VI 7 going down a half step to the V7 chord e.g. in Cmin Ab7#11 G7b9 and play solid foundational lines with good time, all the cats will want to play with you. Check out Jimmy Garrison or Wilbur Ware playing on a minor tune. you might also want to check out some of the examples shown here from the Constructing walking jazz bass lines series by steven mooney. http://constructingwalkingjazzbasslines.com/jazz-bass-books/the-blues-in-12-keys/ He shows examples of chord substitutions on the blues , rhythm changes and standards and bebop . Secondary dominant chords are covered as well as tritone substitution. you can also download free backing tracks to standards as well as the blues in 12 keys in various tempos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lobematt Posted June 30, 2012 Author Share Posted June 30, 2012 Wow thanks for the detailed response! Will come back and go through this in more detail and let you know how I get on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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