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29 minutes ago, Stub Mandrel said:

You never know when 'Come into the garden, Maude' and 'Mad Dogs and Englishmen' will come in handy.

 

Well, not quite that, but we started with a quick huddle, during which we nixed the Rage Against The Machine and Muse numbers...oddly, though, Dirty Old Town went down like a French kiss at a family reunion...

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Following on from the bit of a meltdown I had the other week when I was particularly unwell and my band-mates decided to give me a stern and tediously long lecture on my bass volume, causing me to get all worried about the fact that I was struggling to hear my bass, while they weren't....

I have demonstrably rolled the bottom end off and haven't touched it. I think my sound has lost an amount of balls, but tbh, I'd rather have a thinner sound than put up with those two continually getting annoyed. My drummer would like my bass to have a distinct click to it, to go with his bass drum. He's not going to get that. It's not my style.

Anyway, the gigs since then have gone back to us playing properly as a team, with no complaints about my sound. This last weekend, we played in Todmorden at an amusingly named pub, which is the best live venue in the area. We went down really well, as usual. On Saturday, we had taken a gig on at short notice in a brilliant biker's pub in Southport, as the band who had  previously been booked by old management wouldn't confirm their gig. So we were rescued from losing out in a double booking situation. We went down really well and are waiting to hear about next year from them.

Sunday was our regular jam night. we are working up a set with a guy who's been on Stars in their eyes on TV as a well known rock star, doing a set of his songs. It's hard work as the songs are usually played by a fair old pack of musicians and there are three of us to replicate those arrangements the best we can. If it comes together, great, but it feels like we are rushing it to get songs together. We only really try things out when we do our opening spot at the jam night, so we'll have to see how it goes...

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8 hours ago, 12stringbassist said:

My drummer would like my bass to have a distinct click to it, to go with his bass drum. He's not going to get that. It's not my style.

Yeah, with my sound engineer head on I'd emphasise that the kick drum and bass should be a team, either one can provide the bottom end or the click that signifies the beginning of a note, but it is rare that you can get both to work the same way without them competing. So if the drummer likes a strong transient click on his kick, dont worry about that with the bass so much (don't try and dial it out, just dont emphasise it at all). Its about both frequency mixing and time domain, that click will be over in a flash, the bass needs to be there when it is to add the oomph to the sound. Obviously too much bass eq isnt needed (especially live where it will quickly muddy everything up in the average pub) just a good strong tone.

If you both have a strong transient you will tend to sound less tight as well because there will often be a slight 'flam' from the two of you, especially with grooves where the bass and drums are pushing and pulling the time feel in opposite directions. IME...

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Rebel Heroes (Bowie tribute) at the Old Court in Windsor - damn near sold the place out, over 2 hours straight through on stage, with a mini acoustic set in the middle = pure enjoyment.

As well as taking a DI from my Demeter head, the sound guy set up a cab mic. "I like Barefaced cabs" he said.

Other Bowie tributes are available.

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Great duo gig tonight, just acoustic and vocals with lots of banter. Private birthday party we've done for the last three years for a venue owner. Great crowd but absolutely shattered before the start as only flew back to France tonight after a 600 mile drive. Then, a 120km drive to home, loaded up and then off to the gig.  Having a lie in tomorrow. The things we do for a gig😳

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Just back home from depping for my old band, in a large pub in Marlborough.

Great to see the people I played with almost every week for five years, and to play the old familiar songs, but very few people there, no advertising about the gig that I saw. 

Having played only Grateful Dudes gig for the last year, where we always get very enthusiastic and knowledgeable audiences, the contrast was rather sad. We played OK, enjoyed ourselves and will get paid, but it was more like a social evening with music than a gig.

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Just back from a punk festival type gig in Great Portland St, London. Two stages, with bands although not starting at same times, on simultaneously, we were on the smaller of the two.

The event was run very professionally, everything was spot on even to the security team briefing which largely said “they’re gonna look like they’re fighting, they’re not, unless someone goes down and isn’t helped straight back up leave them alone they’re just having fun”.

Sound was good on soundcheck, the soundman clearly a guy who knew his job, which always makes for a good gig.

So we went on at 8pm for a 30min set and it was amazing, the room probably held 250/300 and they had to stop people coming in as it was so rammed. The mosh pit was exactly as the security team discussed, frenzied but friendly and the reception we got was out of this world. We had people come from as far away as Chester just to see us, and the comments from audience members throughout the rest of the evening were nothing short of amazing. Quite humbling really.

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Formed a band from the ashes of a previous project and did our first gig last night. 

A wedding in deepest darkest Zummerzet. Lovely room, good natural acoustic, decent stage, I got to sort the pa for a full band kit, bvs, keys guitar the lot, which was a first for me. 

Sound was great B&G were lovely people dancing from the off. A great debut. 

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Had a great gig last night at a venue that we were last at back in May, with an audience who were really up for it, with people dancing from the third song in the first set! This makes a nice change to the lacklustre audience last week. As I was setting up, I was initially worried that my new wireless kit was dodgy, as I was getting a huge amount of white noise coming through it. Eventually I figured out that I just hadn't plugged the patch cable in all the way! Doh!

We had some technical issues during the first set, with sudden and terrifying feedback. I'm quite disappointed by my keyboard player, who was stood closest to the mixer, but seemed in no hurry to pull the faders down, rather standing there like some sort of dazed aquatic animal. The rest of us scrambled to diagnose it - I gave the lead singer my spare mic, as the feedback seemed to be being triggered when he spoke into his. Problem continued. I then gave him my spare mic lead - same. Tried a different channel on the PA - same. Eventually turning down the monitor volume fixed it. My suspicion is that the volume knob on his floor monitor got bumped and turned up a bit. The numbers in the room had (unsurprisingly) dwindled somewhat during the feedback incident, but we won them back in over the course of the next half hour.

It was quite difficult to get a satisfactory sound in that venue. It's a fairly large room, and there's no PA support for the bass. I did what I always do, which is to go out during the room during the soundcheck (hooray for wireless) and dial in a decent tone for the audience. When I got back to the stage, it suddenly felt overly trebly, with every little string noise unbearable. I turned down the treble a bit for my own (and my bandmates') sanity, and had to accept that the bass sound would be a little suboptimal in the room. Interestingly, during the soundcheck, I also observed that the vocals initially sounded a bit muddy out front, but fine on stage, so I guess that there is something about that room that means that all the high end gets gathered on the stage and doesn't radiate well into the room. Meh.

Our rehearsal on Tuesday was clearly very productive, as a lot of the songs that previously sounded a little concerning are now much tighter. I'm still greatly worried about our performance of Don't Stop Me Now though - it's lacking some crucial energy, and I can't for the life of me put my finger on what's to blame.

S.P.

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Clutter free set up thanks to the pedal snake I bought from @Stealth

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It's a Sunday afternoon pub gig in Swindon. Quiet in terms of numbers and a subdued audience obviously nursing hangovers, but we're winning them over. 

Football season is back so TVs on throughout which is a modern phenomenon to which I am slowly becoming used. 

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Well, I'm back depping with the Stones trib band because their main bass player has developed carpal tunnel syndrome. So I'll be keeping his seat warm until he gets that sorted out. Hope it doesn't take too long, poor guy. 

Anyway, last night's gig wasn't too bad considering I hadn't played with them for 6 months and they did a couple that I've never played live before.  I did the usual array of bum notes, but I think I think I got away with it. My good friend from my other band was depping on drums, so that made it more enjoyable because he really gets the Charlie Watts feel.  

We'd been warned in advance that the pub could be really rough, but it actual fact it was fine.  It's recently had a name change and is under new management which might account for it.  So that was good!  Not packed out, but enough in to create an atmosphere and a few up and dancing. Including a couple of blokes who were doing a sort of 'knees up Mother Brown' to 'It's Only Rock n Roll'. That really made me smile 🙂 

So not too bad all in all, and cash in hand at the end of the night. I'm looking forward to the next one - I think I'll play better having done last night's gig to get back in the groove so to speak.  

 

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To correct the spelling of 'bass' :-D
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6 minutes ago, Bluewine said:

The Harley Davidson Motor gig seemed cool until this morning. The whole thing was lame.

Blue

Tell us more, Blue!

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2 minutes ago, JapanAxe said:

Tell us more, Blue!

We played well enough, but the crowd got weak after the furst set. Plus we had a rehearsal the same morning from 11:00 -3:00.  Went home, closed my eyes for 30 minutes then took of for a 5:30-8-30.

Maybe I was just tired. And I have a 4:00- 7:00 today.

Maybe being 66 is catching up with me.

Blue

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1 hour ago, Bluewine said:

We played well enough, but the crowd got weak after the furst set. Plus we had a rehearsal the same morning from 11:00 -3:00.  Went home, closed my eyes for 30 minutes then took of for a 5:30-8-30.

Maybe I was just tired. And I have a 4:00- 7:00 today.

Maybe being 66 is catching up with me.

Blue

You're an inspiration to me to keep at it, I know I could have another 10 years at least in me if I look after myself 

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Saturday’s gig was one of those that make it all worthwhile. We played a 40th birthday party in a marquee at a local golf club. 

The first set went well, probably about a hundred people there and six-eight girls dancing from the word go. We had a hour break before going back on again at 11 for the final hour. By this point the crowd had doubled I’d guess, and everything was going really well. Like everyone else we build our second set up to a peak, with all the ‘bangers’ (as our singer likes to call them) one after the other. By this point nearby everyone was up and dancing and we were really cooking, the best we’d played in ages. We had a great night, made some new friends and were paid handsomely. As we were packing up one of the barmaids came over and said that they had a load of unsold bottles of beer. She couldn’t be bothered to carry them back to the main bar inside and asked if we’d like to split them. Nice bonus!

I played my RMI Boomslang Jive through my Genz Benz rig. I like a lighter bass for these longer gigs, especially as my dodgy shoulder gets ever dodgier. It sounded great, the whole room sounded great actually, with the solid floor, textile walls and ceiling, and a wall of bodies. Very happy, and a great way to finish off the festival / party season for us before we get back to the pub gigs.

Drummer’s eye view below ⬇️

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On 22/09/2019 at 02:46, Lozz196 said:

Just back from a punk festival type gig in Great Portland St, London. Two stages, with bands although not starting at same times, on simultaneously, we were on the smaller of the two.

The event was run very professionally, everything was spot on even to the security team briefing which largely said “they’re gonna look like they’re fighting, they’re not, unless someone goes down and isn’t helped straight back up leave them alone they’re just having fun”.

Sound was good on soundcheck, the soundman clearly a guy who knew his job, which always makes for a good gig.

So we went on at 8pm for a 30min set and it was amazing, the room probably held 250/300 and they had to stop people coming in as it was so rammed. The mosh pit was exactly as the security team discussed, frenzied but friendly and the reception we got was out of this world. We had people come from as far away as Chester just to see us, and the comments from audience members throughout the rest of the evening were nothing short of amazing. Quite humbling really.

Sounds like a great night! 

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Esquires in Bedford last night, I was on drums, 3rd act on a 4 band bill. Watching the first two bands it sounded to me like the drum mics were barely on. You couldn't hear the bass drum and there was no clarity to the cymbals or snare. The guitars were very loud so the drums did need reinforcement. When I finally got behind the kit it sounded just as terrible up there. I was having to use the headliner's gear and the bass drum was very quiet indeed, meaning it definitely need a lot of help from the PA, and it got none at all. It's not a big place so I could really tell there were no drums in the FOH

We played really well and went down well, so I'd normally just shrug it off, but as soon as the headline band came on there were the drums, booming out of the PA. Same sound man, same drum kit, WTF?!?

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Many years ago I dig a regular gig with half my amp stack on standby until I actually walked on to work - at that point the sound went from moderately loud to full chat.............my stage guy just threw the switches.........

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18 hours ago, Bluewine said:

We played well enough, but the crowd got weak after the furst set. Plus we had a rehearsal the same morning from 11:00 -3:00.  Went home, closed my eyes for 30 minutes then took of for a 5:30-8-30.

Maybe I was just tired. And I have a 4:00- 7:00 today.

Maybe being 66 is catching up with me.

Blue

I'd point blank refuse to do a rehearsal session on the same day as a gig, especially a 3 hour one. Band leader needs to look at themselves on this.

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2 hours ago, BrunoBass said:

Sounds like a great night! 

It was, and all bands on the bill that I saw had a great gig as well which made it even better.

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2 hours ago, cheddatom said:

Esquires in Bedford last night, I was on drums, 3rd act on a 4 band bill. Watching the first two bands it sounded to me like the drum mics were barely on. You couldn't hear the bass drum and there was no clarity to the cymbals or snare. The guitars were very loud so the drums did need reinforcement. When I finally got behind the kit it sounded just as terrible up there. I was having to use the headliner's gear and the bass drum was very quiet indeed, meaning it definitely need a lot of help from the PA, and it got none at all. It's not a big place so I could really tell there were no drums in the FOH

We played really well and went down well, so I'd normally just shrug it off, but as soon as the headline band came on there were the drums, booming out of the PA. Same sound man, same drum kit, WTF?!?

See that’s wrong isn’t it, I know some may say the night is all about the headliner but I don’t get that, the soundman is being paid for a whole evening, he should therefore work for the whole evening and apply the best sound possible to all the bands. Glad you went down well despite that.

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30 minutes ago, Lozz196 said:

See that’s wrong isn’t it, I know some may say the night is all about the headliner but I don’t get that, the soundman is being paid for a whole evening, he should therefore work for the whole evening and apply the best sound possible to all the bands. Glad you went down well despite that.

I suspect @cheddatom can guess exactly why the sound improved for the headliners...

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