jazzyvee Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 (edited) Moderators: Why is a thread with this clearly racially offensive heading allowed on the forum!? Here is what a Japanese culture web site has to say on the matter. [url="http://www.japan-talk.com/jt/new/is-the-word-Jap-derogatory"]http://www.japan-tal...-Jap-derogatory[/url] Wouldn't a more friendly title like "Japanese & Far Eastern Basses" be much more appropriate and have less of a negative overtone? Edited March 23, 2016 by jazzyvee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Jack Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 (edited) You clearly know nothing about the origins of this expression (motorbikes of the 60s and 70s), or the fact that it is deeply ironic and a reflection of the fact the Japanese were making "our" inventions far better than either the Brits or the Yanks ... omigod, more racist epithets. The expression in connection with bass guitars results from the observed fact that Japanese copies of Fenders were better than US-made originals. So much so that Fender actually bought the Japanese factory and had them build the first Japanese Fenders. All of the above was easily researched without tossing the word "racist" around. Get a life. Edited March 23, 2016 by Happy Jack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzyvee Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 If that is indeed the case then wouldn't it be more respectful to praise that by using a more direct and positive title that reflects and respects that view of Japanese quality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Jack Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 Are you actually Japanese? Or are you aware of mortally-offended Japanese bassplayers on whose behalf you are being offended? Or do you just like being offended? There's more than enough stuff going on in this world that is genuinely offensive to keep people busy. If you don't like the topic title, read another topic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzyvee Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 Nothing you have said has any relevence to my initial posting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bassassin Posted March 23, 2016 Author Share Posted March 23, 2016 We've had this discussion. This term appears to be something Americans tend to take offence at - possibly a subconscious manifestation of collective guilt toward the victims of their nuclear war - but in the UK is not an offensive expression, merely an ironic one. Irony being a linguistic device entirely absent from the North American lexicon, as far as I am able to tell. When we had this discussion before it was concluded that the title should stay for the reasons Happy Jack has clearly stated above. Being offended on behalf of somebody else (who almost certainly doesn't feel offended, because they're not actually [i]being[/i] offended) was not considered to be a valid reason to change it. It's a big, ugly world out there Jazzyvee, full of genuinely horrible people doing unspeakably awful and brutally [i]real[/i] things to get all upset about. The title of this topic is not one of them. Jon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzyvee Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 (edited) So, if a group of people are sitting in an apartment and a conversation starts between some of them that includes language that is disrespectful towards another racial group not present. Are you saying no-one has a right to intervene because the racial group they are talking about is not present in the room so can't be offended? Edited March 23, 2016 by jazzyvee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No. 8 Wire Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 [quote name='jazzyvee' timestamp='1458740989' post='3010378'] So, if a group of people are sitting in an apartment and a conversation starts between some of them that includes language that is disrespectful towards another racial group not present. Are you saying no-one has a right to intervene because the racial group they are talking about is not present in the room so can't be offended? [/quote] Anyone has right to intervene, that's the principle of freedom of expression, you don't necessarily have the right to curtail someone else's freedom of expression though. As in this case, where you have intervened, but have no right to actually change the title. It's not about race though is it? I don't know about you but I don't associate my racial group with the products my country makes. Should I be offended if someone says all British cars are unreliable? It's patently absurd. That's even disregarding the positive connotations of 'japcrap' that have been so eloquently explained. PS. Have you spotted any decent vintage Mij gear for us? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bassassin Posted March 23, 2016 Author Share Posted March 23, 2016 Just so we don't have to go through this whole thing [i]again[/i], this is the beginning of the discussion last time it came up: [url="http://basschat.co.uk/topic/7473-japcrap-spotting/page__st__3270"]http://basschat.co.u.../page__st__3270[/url] Post 3271, in case the page changes when it updates. The discussion does not, in my opinion, bear being re-heated, as there is nothing new to add. For the record, I pride myself in being an equal-opportunities bigot, and would prefer to offend everybody in equal measure regardless of race or religion. To that end I welcome use of terms such as YankW@nk, BritSh!t and KoreaDiarrhoea. So if any BC members with a more varied and colourful vocabulary than my own could come up with offensive and disparaging descriptors for instruments made in Italy, Taiwan, China, Indonesia, Brazil, Germany or indeed any other country where the bass guitar is manufactured, I would welcome their contributions. That is all. As you were. J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bassassin Posted March 23, 2016 Author Share Posted March 23, 2016 The seller admits the logo's a dodgy sticker, at least. Quite amusing how he's stuck a bit of insulating tape over the MIJ stamp on the neckplate! Grant/Grantsons were mostly pretty low-end stuff, had a few myself (admittedly not an EB-2) and they were nothing special. This will be a plywood Chushin build, same as most Columbus & Avon of the early 70s era. The mudbucker will be a low-output single-coil rattling around in that huge square case. J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chriswareham Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 (edited) I was going to suggest that EB-2 copy was a Shaftesbury until I read the description, since I'm sure I've seen a Rose Morris catalogue with both Gibson and Rick inspired semi-acoustic basses. Could be the output of the same factory I guess. As to the silly claim of some kind of racial slur in this threads name, how long has Jazzyvee been a member of Basschat (a considerable while it seems) so why raise this now? If you've read this thread in any depth, then it's clear we love the "Japcrap" it's named for and it is an ironic, possibly even self-deprecating title. For the record, I work for a Japanese firm and most of my colleagues are either Japanese, Indian or Thai. I've been on the receiving end of racial abuse for my own complicated ethnic background, and I'm pretty sure this thread would not offend a Japanese person. Edited March 23, 2016 by chriswareham Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wotsy Posted April 2, 2016 Share Posted April 2, 2016 Aria pro ii rsb performer for £100 ono, I'm quite tempted by this, not sure. https://www.gumtree.com/p/guitar-instrument/aria-pro-ii-rsb-performer-bass-guitar-active-pickups/1162184356 + an Eros eb2 https://www.gumtree.com/p/guitar-instrument/rare-1970s-mij-eros-eb-2-bass-in-original-hard-case/1162316674 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGreek Posted April 2, 2016 Share Posted April 2, 2016 Though I like the look of the EB2 I wouldn't never buy one...hoping to keep this point of view.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bassassin Posted April 2, 2016 Author Share Posted April 2, 2016 [quote name='wotsy' timestamp='1459630687' post='3018269'] Aria pro ii rsb performer for £100 ono, I'm quite tempted by this, not sure. [url="https://www.gumtree.com/p/guitar-instrument/aria-pro-ii-rsb-performer-bass-guitar-active-pickups/1162184356"]https://www.gumtree....kups/1162184356[/url] + an Eros eb2 [url="https://www.gumtree.com/p/guitar-instrument/rare-1970s-mij-eros-eb-2-bass-in-original-hard-case/1162316674"]https://www.gumtree....case/1162316674[/url] [/quote] Buy the RSB. Just buy it. If it was near me I'd buy it. Twice, if I could. The EB3 copy's nice too, early 70s Matsumoku build - only ever seen one or two of these before. But buy the Aria. J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul S Posted April 5, 2016 Share Posted April 5, 2016 Westone Thunder 3, collection only, low start. Be interesting to see what this makes. [url="http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Westone-Thunder-3-Bass-Guitar-/331823041501?hash=item4d4231cbdd:g:HjkAAOSwSzdXA48P"]http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Westone-Thunder-3-Bass-Guitar-/331823041501?hash=item4d4231cbdd:g:HjkAAOSwSzdXA48P[/url] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tauzero Posted April 6, 2016 Share Posted April 6, 2016 [quote name='Bassassin' timestamp='1458753955' post='3010568'] For the record, I pride myself in being an equal-opportunities bigot, and would prefer to offend everybody in equal measure regardless of race or religion. To that end I welcome use of terms such as YankW@nk, BritSh!t and KoreaDiarrhoea. So if any BC members with a more varied and colourful vocabulary than my own could come up with offensive and disparaging descriptors for instruments made in Italy, Taiwan, China, Indonesia, Brazil, Germany or indeed any other country where the bass guitar is manufactured, I would welcome their contributions. [/quote] Is it OK to call nice Vigiers Frogsporn? Presumably Warwicks, Marleaux, etc could be Bochebosh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ead Posted April 7, 2016 Share Posted April 7, 2016 Is this worth a punt? Not enough knowledge to know if it's a real thing or something I should avoid like the plague (or man flu, another known killer) http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Fender-Squier-Series-Precision-Bass-Japan-1994-5-/301920449448?hash=item464bdc73a8:g:EjAAAOSwtUtXA~T- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGreek Posted April 7, 2016 Share Posted April 7, 2016 (edited) [quote name='ead' timestamp='1460056067' post='3022240'] Is this worth a punt? Not enough knowledge to know if it's a real thing or something I should avoid like the plague (or man flu, another known killer) [url="http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Fender-Squier-Series-Precision-Bass-Japan-1994-5-/301920449448?hash=item464bdc73a8:g:EjAAAOSwtUtXA~T-"]http://www.ebay.co.u...jAAAOSwtUtXA~T-[/url] [/quote] Collection only in London - how much is your bus fare?? I bought a TE guitar amp recently for £30 - it cost more in petrol to collect it... Edited April 7, 2016 by TheGreek Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ead Posted April 7, 2016 Share Posted April 7, 2016 (edited) My daughter works down in the smoke so not an issue. Just curious as to what it is as my efforts to find out via Google have left me confused.com Edited April 7, 2016 by ead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No. 8 Wire Posted April 7, 2016 Share Posted April 7, 2016 [quote name='ead' timestamp='1460061664' post='3022334'] My daughter works down in the smoke so not an issue. Just curious as to what it is as my efforts to find out via Google have left me confused.com [/quote] Something is amiss with this one. The 'fender' decal was only used on the much earlier Squier line, and it looks a lot different than that. It looks like a fake decal of the 'fender' part at least. Also, Squier MIJ headstocks look a lot different on this period - check out my MIJ P bass I sold a while back to see how it should look: http://basschat.co.uk/topic/272706-sold-mij-squier-p-bass-olympic-white-sd-pu-schaller-bridge-l250-inc-uk-shipping/page__fromsearch__1 so, its not a JV/SQ with a replacement decal as the serial wouldn't match that, and I doubt its a 90's MIJ as the serial is in the wrong place - or maybe its one that has been modded to look like a JV? Just all looks dodgy to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ead Posted April 7, 2016 Share Posted April 7, 2016 Does the wood colour look not quite light for something of that age too? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bassassin Posted April 7, 2016 Author Share Posted April 7, 2016 50 shades of shonky, that is. Seller has no idea what he's [s]talking[/s] lying about, this looks like cheap tat & if this was ever a Squier in the first place, I expect it said "Affinity" on the pointy end! He reckons it's '94-5, do I have to remind you that Fender-logo'd MIJ Squiers - early JVs - were all 1982? And does this look replica quality to you? J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ead Posted April 8, 2016 Share Posted April 8, 2016 Thanks Jon, I thought it looked a bit odd and the stuff on t'interweb didn't stack up in the same way you describe above. I don't know enough about these things myself though, so the guidance of the BC cognoscenti is always much appreciated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul S Posted April 8, 2016 Share Posted April 8, 2016 One of these popped up recently and apparently they are legit. It was news to me at the time as I thought any Fender 'Squier Series' were early JVs with the spaghetti logo, but it seems not... [url="http://basschat.co.uk/topic/280443-fender-squier-series-precision-i-dont-think-so/"]http://basschat.co.uk/topic/280443-fender-squier-series-precision-i-dont-think-so/[/url] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wotsy Posted April 9, 2016 Share Posted April 9, 2016 [quote name='Bassassin' timestamp='1459640066' post='3018367'] Buy the RSB. Just buy it. If it was near me I'd buy it. Twice, if I could. The EB3 copy's nice too, early 70s Matsumoku build - only ever seen one or two of these before. But buy the Aria. J. [/quote] I've let him know if it's not sold by the end of the month I shall be on the phone, so I've got everything crossed for the next couple of week Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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