wishface Posted July 29, 2022 Share Posted July 29, 2022 Using my new laptop (RIP my old one, it just died) and I'm trying to set up my midi controller, I seem to have it installed but there's considerable latency when I play it. I use softsynths (arturia and uhe stuff). Some of them can be used in standalone mode, outside of the daw (reaper), and I don't notice any issues there so hopefully its not my computer. Can any Reaper experts help me out here? This wasn't a problem on my old computer, but it is here and I don't know what to do. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dad3353 Posted July 29, 2022 Share Posted July 29, 2022 1 minute ago, wishface said: Using my new laptop (RIP my old one, it just died) and I'm trying to set up my midi controller, I seem to have it installed but there's considerable latency when I play it. I use softsynths (arturia and uhe stuff). Some of them can be used in standalone mode, outside of the daw (reaper), and I don't notice any issues there so hopefully its not my computer. Can any Reaper experts help me out here? This wasn't a problem on my old computer, but it is here and I don't know what to do. Thanks 'Expert'..? Perhaps not, but we'll see what we can suggest... A new laptop..? Therefore new installation of Reaper..? Maybe the default settings need tweaking..? Latency usually comes from the set-up between the PC and the interface. What interface are you using..? What Audio Device is Reaper configured for..? Here's a screenshot of mine (old Tascam US144, but many will have similar settings, so it might be close...)... How does yours compare..? (Right-click and open in New Tab to see this image more clearly...). Over to you... Douglas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wishface Posted July 29, 2022 Author Share Posted July 29, 2022 (edited) I'm using a Nektar g49 (iirc). connected directly, no interface. I'm only using softsynths anyway. I get an error message now when i boot up telling me it can't open midi devices even though pressing a key on the controller produces a sound. Not sure why that is. I had it all working before, this is most frustrating. I don't know what i've done wrong. EDIT: ok i'm looking at thee pic and my drivers weren't set to ASIO. But when I try it tells me no ASIO drivers are available. Is this something I need to download? Edited July 29, 2022 by wishface Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lowdown Posted July 29, 2022 Share Posted July 29, 2022 You will need an interface for ASIO drivers. Although, I think Asio4ALL (drivers) might do the job in your case. Try this link: ASIO4ALL - Free download and software reviews - CNET Download 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lowdown Posted July 29, 2022 Share Posted July 29, 2022 (edited) Double post removed. Edited July 31, 2022 by lowdown Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lowdown Posted July 29, 2022 Share Posted July 29, 2022 12 minutes ago, wishface said: I'm using a Nektar g49 (iirc). connected directly, no interface. I'm only using softsynths anyway. I get an error message now when i boot up telling me it can't open midi devices even though pressing a key on the controller produces a sound. Not sure why that is. I had it all working before, this is most frustrating. I don't know what i've done wrong. EDIT: ok i'm looking at thee pic and my drivers weren't set to ASIO. But when I try it tells me no ASIO drivers are available. Is this something I need to download? @wishface Try my link above. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wishface Posted July 29, 2022 Author Share Posted July 29, 2022 Thanks, I 've set it to WASAPI and it seems to work except....even though i can use my controller and the latency is no longer an issue it keeps telling me it can't open my midi device. Does anyone know why this is? It's actually working (or seems to be) Thanks for the replies Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingBollock Posted July 30, 2022 Share Posted July 30, 2022 17 hours ago, wishface said: Thanks, I 've set it to WASAPI and it seems to work except....even though i can use my controller and the latency is no longer an issue it keeps telling me it can't open my midi device. Does anyone know why this is? It's actually working (or seems to be) Thanks for the replies Interesting. It had been a while since I last opened Reaper and I had to restart my PC a couple, or so, times to get it to run properly and recognise my midi keyboards. I managed to get it all working, but I still keep getting a pop up telling me that it can’t open the midi devices, despite me using them perfectly well while it tells me I can’t be. I wonder if there’s been a Windows update that’s fiddled with it, maybe? I don’t know. I was having a really bad day and this was making it worse, so I had to step away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dad3353 Posted July 30, 2022 Share Posted July 30, 2022 2 hours ago, KingBollock said: ...I wonder if there’s been a Windows update that’s fiddled with it, maybe? ... I've told my PC (Windows 10 Pro, 64-bit...) that the 2016 version running on it is not to be updated, save for the anti-virus definitions. I had to roll it back a couple of times before 'freezing' it in time, as the updates were walking all over my Reaper stuff. The 'freezing' itself was not a simple job, involving numerous edits of the registers and services, but it's been stable now for several years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wishface Posted July 31, 2022 Author Share Posted July 31, 2022 I don't want to start another Reaper thread, but I've been installing my MIDI controller and even though it appears to work. I still get an error message saying Reaper canot open the device everytime I boot up Reaper. I dont' know what to do about this or whether this is even a problem, it is annoying though. I don't recall this being a problem before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wishface Posted July 31, 2022 Author Share Posted July 31, 2022 I also can't run ASIO. Nothing comes out when i press play. under enable inputs it just says 1:1 and 2:2 under output range it says Not Connected 1 and 2 respectively. There are no other options for either. I can only get this work under WASAPI, but I cannot get my midid controller to work at all. It doesn't even play now. What do i do? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lowdown Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 20 minutes ago, wishface said: I also can't run ASIO. Nothing comes out when i press play. under enable inputs it just says 1:1 and 2:2 under output range it says Not Connected 1 and 2 respectively. There are no other options for either. I can only get this work under WASAPI, but I cannot get my midid controller to work at all. It doesn't even play now. What do i do? I know nothing about Reaper....But, what are you using for an Audio out (output range)? Is it an onboard soundcard? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wishface Posted July 31, 2022 Author Share Posted July 31, 2022 it's whatever came in the laptop. I asked about soundcards when i discussed buying laptops in my other thread and was told it shouldn't matter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lowdown Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 26 minutes ago, wishface said: it's whatever came in the laptop. I asked about soundcards when i discussed buying laptops in my other thread and was told it shouldn't matter Regardless of what you use for an Audio output (onboard or external), it should show up in 'Output Range' (In Dads screenshot above). For some reason, your onboard audio output device is not showing. I might be going too deep here but, first port of call should be to see if you onboard audio device is enabled. Go to device manager - 'Sound, Game and Video controllers' - right click to enable/disable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wishface Posted July 31, 2022 Author Share Posted July 31, 2022 I'm about to lose my mind doing all this. You get one thing working and then something else doesn't. Ok, under sound devices i have SE49 (my keyboard) and "high definition audio device". It tells me the latter is working properly. I can hear stuff when i run audio anyway, it just seems that Reaper wants to play silly buggers. I had it set to use the WASAPI audio driver which was producing low latency results and was fine. But I couldn't get my keyboard to work. However that now seems to be (for now) solved after I deleted the driver i'd installed to get it to work. It should be able to run just as plug and play anyway. Unfortuantely WASAPI stopped working from an input perspective. I got an error message saying 'can't find input device' with only the 'default input device' to use which wasn't getting any sound. Although I have headphones plugged in the laptop seems to have two separate settings regardless so having them plugged in doesn't override the output, you have to, if possible, choose headphones. That would be fine if it didn't keep flipping between those two choices on its own. So now I've chosen DirectSound as my audio device and i'm back to having latency. I don't really understand ASIO as it doesn't seem to work at all. I don't know what input/ouput option I should choose and messing around with all these options seems to affect other options. I can't just go back to WASAPI either, because it doesn't seem to work. I've no idea how any of this works or why it's happening. It makes no sense and to the best of my knowledge i have not uninstalled or deleted anything Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dad3353 Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 4 minutes ago, wishface said: ... However that now seems to be (for now) solved after I deleted the driver i'd installed to get it to work. It should be able to run just as plug and play anyway. ... ... to the best of my knowledge i have not uninstalled or deleted anything Hmm... A contradiction here, it seems. However... Have you registered your SE49 with Nektar..? They should be able to help; see here ... Nektar ... Are you using the Usb cable that came with the keyboard..? Is the laptop Usb port able to correctly power the keyboard..? Have you tried a reset of the keyboard..? For GX series, GXP series and SE series: Turn the Impact off. Hold both Octave buttons while turning the Impact back on. The LEDs will flash. Release the Octave buttons. Have you turned the laptop off, then on again (not 'sleep' or 'hibernation'; really 'off'...? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wishface Posted July 31, 2022 Author Share Posted July 31, 2022 Thanks, I seem to have the midi controller working now. Onlya fter removing the drivers from the OSC list. I've no idea if that will permanently fix things, but now it's working. However, the latest problem is getting the correct audio driver. Something has changed in the WASAPI settings because i just get an error message telling me "wasapi error: could not open input device". I don't know what that means or what it's referring to. I haven't changed anything in windows at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wishface Posted July 31, 2022 Author Share Posted July 31, 2022 I just tried ASIO again, and it works. No latency everything sounds great. Except audio doesn't work outside of Reaper! I can't play yt clips for example without an error message. What in god's name is going on with all this. It's like Chinese water torture Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lowdown Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 I believe Asio4ALL don't like sharing Apps. This below may help. Some folks seem to have similar problems. Playback of Reaper and other applications simultaneously External Audio devices (PC's, using ASIO drivers) are always worth investigating, especially for the price you can get them at these days. In the end, they save you a lot of grief. Sorry, I know it's not what you want to hear at the moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wishface Posted July 31, 2022 Author Share Posted July 31, 2022 what do you mean external audio pcs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lowdown Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 8 minutes ago, wishface said: what do you mean external audio pcs? Sorry... I meant Audio devices for PC, as in Windows machines (as opposed to Macs). Macs use Core Audio. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wishface Posted July 31, 2022 Author Share Posted July 31, 2022 Well this has been an exhausting ride. I seem to have Wasapi working again. So everything seems to be running fine. I'm sure some new weird thing will crop up, technology after all is confusing and strange Thanks for the help 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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