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God can forgive, but Clapton can't


Steve Browning

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If I had to take a moral stance and ensure musicians I admired lived up to a ethical or even expected standards of social norms I would be stuffed. Just imagine the metaphorical Christmas party. James Brown, Miles Davis and John Lennon in fine fettle. Shane MacGowan, Jim Morrison and Mark E Smith having a festive tipple and sing song joined by Nick Cave on piano with little Richard entertaining the youngsters. Fitting new locks on the bathroom before Chuck Berry rolls in and please nobody ask Mr Hendrix to keep an eye on the Turkey. The man’s a total space cadet.

Edit: And I haven’t even mentioned Keith Moon ..

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I'm  not worried about their morals. So long as I'm not a drug taking alcoholic adulterer who stole just brest friends wife then I'm quite able to criticise him with some moral authority.

 

If I become some or all of those things then I shall remain silent, but until that time I'm happy to tell folk what I think.

 

None of that detracts from his talent, which is a different matter altogether.

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4 minutes ago, Bassfinger said:

I'm  not worried about their morals. So long as I'm not a drug taking alcoholic adulterer who stole just brest friends wife then I'm quite able to criticise him with some moral authority

This is true but off the top of my head: ABBA , The Grateful Dead, Fleetwood Mac, The Mamas and the Papas. I think they all would qualify.

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On 17/12/2021 at 11:36, chris_b said:

If you read his autobiography. . . . sadly. . . .  it's all 3 and a few more to boot. It's a shame because I've been going to Clapton gigs since 1965 and am a fan of (most) of his music!!

I read it too, and while it was a great in depth account into all that was going on around him, and to be fair a very good read

with loads of very interesting facts, but what you get from the theme of the book right through is that he is a cun! and always was and always will be, to the point that even his own autobiography could not hide that, yes he has a right to protect his music no matter how much money he has, i would do the same, but to say common eric... just send her a message to remove it, the answer to that im guessing is prob he has not the time to spend on sending thousands of messages trying to police this all day, so then its down to paying someone to do it as a job because that's what it would take, and not just one person... so by doing this im thinking he will get the coverage he wants in a bid to discourage future attempts.

so my message to eric... ok you got the coverage you wanted, now be kind and let it go, but, we will still think your a cun!

 

 

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5 hours ago, Bassfinger said:

I'm  not worried about their morals. So long as I'm not a drug taking alcoholic adulterer who stole just brest friends wife then I'm quite able to criticise him with some moral authority.

 

I reflected on that list and on my own history and thought, well, I've no moral authority at all except it wasn't a friend, more a colleague I occasionally had drinks with.

 

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6 hours ago, Bassfinger said:

 So long as I'm not a drug taking alcoholic adulterer who stole just brest friends wife then I'm quite able to criticise him with some moral authority.

That's me out then. Actually it was my best friend's Uncle's wife, to be clear.

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1 hour ago, skankdelvar said:

 

I reflected on that list and on my own history and thought, well, I've no moral authority at all except it wasn't a friend, more a colleague I occasionally had drinks with.

 

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51 minutes ago, Skin Lewis said:

That's me out then. Actually it was my best friend's Uncle's wife, to be clear.

As a serial offender, I’d best shut up as well

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On 17/12/2021 at 22:40, mep said:

https://www.theguardian.com/music/2021/dec/17/eric-clapton-wins-legal-case-against-woman-selling-bootleg-live-cd-for-845

Another article. She instructed her lawyers to refute the case which is why the costs escalated.  Interesting to see what the law is in Germany too.

Ye, she could have stopped at the 'Quit harrassing me!'

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On 17/12/2021 at 21:51, Dan Dare said:

 

Good summary and certainly sounds plausible. I couldn't care one way or the other about EC, but I don't see anything terrible in what is ascribed to him here. I'd be surprised if he even knew his lawyers/management/record company approached the woman, certainly initially. He won't be wasting his life scouring the 'net for every possible copyright infringement. He pays people to do that for him. Had she said fair enough and withdrawn the CD, I'm sure that would have been the end of it. However, it seems she (or, as Al points out, lawyers acting on her behalf) decided to pick a fight. More fool them.

 

John Hall of RIC does exactly that, and has a legion of fanbois who gleefully report fakes/infringements without pay!

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Recent statement from the EC camp updating stuff, just for anyone who may be interested.

 

GERMAN BOOTLEG CASE: STATEMENT

Published // 22.DEC.21

Given the widespread and often misleading press reports about a recent bootleg case involving a woman in Germany, the following provides clarification to set the record straight.

Germany is one of several countries where sales of unauthorized and usually poor-quality illegal bootleg CDs are rife, which harms both the industry and purchasers of inferior product.  Over a period of more than 10 years the German lawyers appointed by Eric Clapton, and a significant number of other well-known artists and record companies, have successfully pursued thousands of bootleg cases under routine copyright procedures.

It is not the intention to target individuals selling isolated CDs from their own collection, but rather the active bootleggers manufacturing unauthorised copies for sale.  In the case of an individual selling unauthorised items from a personal collection, if following receipt of a “cease and desist” letter the offending items are withdrawn, any costs would be minimal, or might be waived. 

Eric Clapton’s lawyers and management team (rather than Eric personally) identifies if an item offered for sale is illegal, and a declaration confirming that is signed, but thereafter Eric Clapton is not involved in any individual cases, and 95% of the cases are resolved before going to Court. 

This case could have been disposed of quickly at minimal cost, but unfortunately in response to the German lawyers’ first standard letter, the individual’s reply included the line (translation): “feel free to file a lawsuit if you insist on the demands”. This triggered the next step in the standard legal procedures, and the Court then made the initial injunction order.

If the individual had complied with the initial letter the costs would have been minimal. Had she explained at the outset the full facts in a simple phone call or letter to the lawyers, any claim might, have been waived, and costs avoided.

However, the individual appointed a lawyer who appealed the injunction decision. The Judge encouraged the individual to withdraw the appeal to save costs, but she proceeded. The appeal failed and she was ordered to pay the costs of the Court and all of the parties. 

However, when the full facts of this particular case came to light and it was clear the individual is not the type of person Eric Clapton, or his record company, wish to target, Eric Clapton decided not to take any further action and does not intend to collect the costs awarded to him by the Court. Also, he hopes the individual will not herself incur any further costs. 

Eric Clapton Management
22nd December 2021

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48 minutes ago, casapete said:

However, the individual appointed a lawyer who appealed the injunction decision. The Judge encouraged the individual to withdraw the appeal to save costs, but she proceeded.

 

5 minutes ago, peteb said:

To be fair, there are also some people (like the defendant) who you just can't help.

 

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