Grimalkin Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 "Debord traces the development of a modern society in which authentic social life has been replaced with its representation: "All that once was directly lived has become mere representation." Debord argues that the history of social life can be understood as "the decline of being into having, and having into merely appearing." This condition, according to Debord, is the "historical moment at which the commodity completes its colonization of social life." Guy Debord - The Society of the Spectacle. People put too much store in the instruments... It's the playing that counts. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimalkin Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 9 minutes ago, BigRedX said: I suppose that if people were prepared to pay me enough money to live on for playing in their band(s) I'd be prepared to play any old shït too. Pino's a weird one for me in that I really like his fretless bass playing, but think that in a the context of the whole music he plays on that's the only musical bit of merit. He's the only only redeeming thing about the Paul Young records (apart from the truly awful version of Love Will Tear Us Apart which even he can't salvage). Go West was just fake 80s pop for people who don't really like music. Unfortunately in The Who he's not a patch on Entwhistle to the point that the band had to have a second guitarist to fill out the sound. He's done quite a bit more than Paul Young or Go West.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigRedX Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 15 minutes ago, Grimalkin said: He's done quite a bit more than Paul Young or Go West.. OK recommend me something with Pino on that you think I will like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doddy Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 9 minutes ago, BigRedX said: OK recommend me something with Pino on that you think I will like. Take your pick..... https://www.allmusic.com/artist/pino-palladino-mn0000292499/credits And that doesn't include live work. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noisyjon Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 3 minutes ago, Doddy said: Take your pick..... https://www.allmusic.com/artist/pino-palladino-mn0000292499/credits And that doesn't include live work. 'kin 'ell that's a CV! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimalkin Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 He's not one for woofing off, he doesn't have to. Another reason people like using him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodinblack Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 8 minutes ago, Grimalkin said: He's not one for woofing off, he doesn't have to. Another reason people like using him. And lets face it, if you want to get something off a high shelf, he is going to be invaluable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimalkin Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 10 minutes ago, Woodinblack said: And lets face it, if you want to get something off a high shelf, he is going to be invaluable. Apparently, his Piño Coladas are the business. Perfectly blended by all accounts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigRedX Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 20 hours ago, martthebass said: He doesn't seem to have done badly out of it.......I haven't seen any 'BigRedX' signature basses knocking about 😝 If I did it would be something a bit more innovative and interesting than a Fender Precision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimalkin Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 10 minutes ago, BigRedX said: If I did it would be something a bit more innovative and interesting than a Fender Precision. It doesn't matter so much if your playing is innovative and interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martthebass Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 38 minutes ago, BigRedX said: If I did it would be something a bit more innovative and interesting than a Fender Precision. Arguably the Precision was one of the most innovative electric bass developments in bass guitar history..... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boodang Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 2 hours ago, Grimalkin said: "Debord traces the development of a modern society in which authentic social life has been replaced with its representation: "All that once was directly lived has become mere representation." Debord argues that the history of social life can be understood as "the decline of being into having, and having into merely appearing." This condition, according to Debord, is the "historical moment at which the commodity completes its colonization of social life." Guy Debord - The Society of the Spectacle. People put too much store in the instruments... It's the playing that counts. It's always the playing that counts but we have a choice of what to play it on and thus interesting side debates like this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul S Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 3 hours ago, BigRedX said: I suppose that if people were prepared to pay me enough money to live on for playing in their band(s) I'd be prepared to play any old shït too. Pino's a weird one for me in that I really like his fretless bass playing, but think that in a the context of the whole music he plays on that's the only musical bit of merit. He's the only only redeeming thing about the Paul Young records (apart from the truly awful version of Love Will Tear Us Apart which even he can't salvage). Go West was just fake 80s pop for people who don't really like music. Unfortunately in The Who he's not a patch on Entwhistle to the point that the band had to have a second guitarist to fill out the sound. I quite like your posts. Gives me a direction - when you write your usual disparaging ranty diatribe about something it means I should check it out as I will probably like it 😂 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimR Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 4 hours ago, BigRedX said: Unfortunately in The Who he's not a patch on Entwhistle to the point that the band had to have a second guitarist to fill out the sound. Wasn't this a deliberate act from Townsend who had been trying for years to get Entwistle to calm down so he could play lead guitar? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimR Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 "John's bass sound was like a Messiaen organ. Every note, every harmonic in the sky. When he passed away and I did the first few shows without him, with Pino [Palladino] on bass, he was playing without all that stuff... I said, ‘Wow, I have a job.' "With Keith, my job was keeping time, because he didn't do that. So when he passed away, it was like, ‘Oh, I don't have to keep time anymore.'" https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/pete_townshend_says_thank_god_entwistle__moon_are_gone_talks_what_was_wrong_with_their_playing.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigRedX Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 But it's all those original idiosyncrasies that made the Who (up to Moon's death) musically interesting. The fact that none of the instruments (apart from the vocals) are playing their traditional roles. Without that they are just another average rock band. It's more than obvious from the dullness of Townshend's solo stuff - same song writer, far less interesting music. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimR Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 Tell that to Townsend. 😆 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikel Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 1 hour ago, BigRedX said: But it's all those original idiosyncrasies that made the Who (up to Moon's death) musically interesting. The fact that none of the instruments (apart from the vocals) are playing their traditional roles. Without that they are just another average rock band. It's more than obvious from the dullness of Townshend's solo stuff - same song writer, far less interesting music. Agree 100%. The Who were exciting because of the styles of the individuals involved. Much like any other real "Band". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tegs07 Posted January 25, 2022 Author Share Posted January 25, 2022 1 hour ago, BigRedX said: But it's all those original idiosyncrasies that made the Who (up to Moon's death) musically interesting. The fact that none of the instruments (apart from the vocals) are playing their traditional roles. Without that they are just another average rock band. It's more than obvious from the dullness of Townshend's solo stuff - same song writer, far less interesting music. Whilst I basically agree with all this I don’t know what it’s got to do with Pino’s ability as a bass player. As he is not a founder member of The Who I doubt he got that much free reign in what to play or how to play it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodinblack Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 1 hour ago, tegs07 said: Whilst I basically agree with all this I don’t know what it’s got to do with Pino’s ability as a bass player. As he is not a founder member of The Who I doubt he got that much free reign in what to play or how to play it. Depends how much free reign he gets, or whether people just employ him for what he does. I must admit I hated the stuff he did with NiN, but obviously trent reznor didn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimalkin Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 "They had just wrapped up a session with Common when Palladino learned that the Who’s bassist, John Entwistle, had died – and that the band had declined to cancel their forthcoming tour and wanted Palladino to replace him … on stage at the Hollywood Bowl, in two days." No pressure then... https://www.theguardian.com/music/2021/apr/06/pino-palladino-pop-greatest-bassist-adele-elton-the-who Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neepheid Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 (edited) You could probably make up some kind of bingo/drinking game for all the same old arguments/jibes/tropes that inevitably pepper threads like these. Bonus double gulp for personal attacks! Hic! Edited January 25, 2022 by neepheid 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boodang Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 Just now, neepheid said: You could probably make up some kind of bingo/drinking game for all the same old arguments/jibes/tropes that inevitably pepper threads like these. Hic! Yeah, Basschat the board game! With questions like 'what's the best bass guitar' and 'who's the best bass player of all time'!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peteb Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 23 minutes ago, neepheid said: You could probably make up some kind of bingo/drinking game for all the same old arguments/jibes/tropes that inevitably pepper threads like these. Bonus double gulp for personal attacks! Hic! 16 minutes ago, Boodang said: Yeah, Basschat the board game! With questions like 'what's the best bass guitar' and 'who's the best bass player of all time'!! Compressors, hi-mass bridges and why Jaco is the worst bass player ever...! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martthebass Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 7 minutes ago, peteb said: Compressors, hi-mass bridges and why Jaco is the worst bass player ever...! Don’t forget maple vs rosewood boards and lemon oil or not to lemon oil .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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