Sparky Mark Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 6 hours ago, la bam said: I had the bugera bvv3000 - superb sounding thing. I tried letting everyone know just how good it was.... but I think people where put off by the bugera name for some reason. It sold in the end in really good condition for around £175 I paid about £350 new for my BVV3000I and it's an amazing amp at any price. I think they were discontinued because the market for big heavy valve amps (that aren't Ampeg) just isn't there for a high volume producer like Behringer. It's the best sounding amp that I own and crazy cheap at £175. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparky Mark Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 6 hours ago, Quilly said: I got rid of mine because it was stupid heavy, I was afraid things might go wrong and an amp tech wouldn’t go near it. I’ve heard some issues with them regarding the self bias thing , but in general I think most people were happy with them. I figured that at £350 if mine went wrong I'd just skip it. 5 years on it's still working fine, although it's not been gigged yet. An Ampeg SVT is actually a few pounds heavier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparky Mark Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 (edited) On 16/09/2021 at 20:25, Downunderwonder said: That's not normal. You might have a problem with the cab side of things if you are frying amps. This is a very good observation. Running 4x12 and 1x15 cabs together seems like an uneven system. The 4x12 won't even break into a sweat at the point the 1x15 is hitting its limits if you're playing at high volumes and blowing up amps indicates you are pushing things. (Lemmy used to pair his 4x12 with a 4x15). Edited September 17, 2021 by Sparky Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warwickhunt Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 It's been done to death I know but... it literally isn't worth counting the 'watts' of this or that amp. I presently own (and gig); Handbox WB (all valve - 120w), EBS HD350 (SS - 350w), TC Stacatto (Digital - 350w), Tech Soundsystems Blackcat (valve pre - 1000w), TC Blacksmith (Digital - 1600w). I gig with a VERY loud drummer and louder guitarist and I rarely (twice in 6 years) go through the PA. The Handbox holds its own against any of those other amps. OK the 1000w + amps will go a bit louder but at the point where they are beating the valve amp, your ears would be ringing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveXFR Posted September 18, 2021 Author Share Posted September 18, 2021 7 hours ago, Sparky Mark said: This is a very good observation. Running 4x12 and 1x15 cabs together seems like an uneven system. The 4x12 won't even break into a sweat at the point the 1x15 is hitting its limits if you're playing at high volumes and blowing up amps indicates you are pushing things. (Lemmy used to pair his 4x12 with a 4x15). The 4x12 and 1x15 Trace cabs are a very common combination among Trace Elliot owners but they're old (30 year old, original speakers) and I play loud so maybe that is the problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparky Mark Posted September 18, 2021 Share Posted September 18, 2021 (edited) On 18/09/2021 at 08:30, SteveXFR said: The 4x12 and 1x15 Trace cabs are a very common combination among Trace Elliot owners but they're old (30 year old, original speakers) and I play loud so maybe that is the problem. If you are driving a 500 watt RMS amp hard with distortion into that rig the 1x15 is the weak link. A 4x10 and 1x15 isn't considered a good match nowadays no matter what was common practice back in the 90s. A 4x12 (800W thermal rating) with 1x15 (300W thermal rating) is an even less balanced rig. Of course at reasonable levels you shouldn't have a problem but should have the 1x15 at ear level so you can hear when it gets distressed (although with distortion that could be difficult). Edited September 19, 2021 by Sparky Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveXFR Posted September 18, 2021 Author Share Posted September 18, 2021 So maybe rather than changing the heads, it's the cabs I should replace. Maybe just one modern 4x10 would do the job better Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparky Mark Posted September 18, 2021 Share Posted September 18, 2021 7 hours ago, SteveXFR said: So maybe rather than changing the heads, it's the cabs I should replace. Maybe just one modern 4x10 would do the job better The 4x12 on its own should be quite formidable; I'd try it without the 1x15 and see how it goes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveXFR Posted September 18, 2021 Author Share Posted September 18, 2021 12 minutes ago, Sparky Mark said: The 4x12 on its own should be quite formidable; I'd try it without the 1x15 and see how it goes. It's a 4x10 and it's not exactly thunderous Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
funkydoug Posted September 18, 2021 Share Posted September 18, 2021 (edited) The OP wants a very reliable and extremely loud amp for about £600 (and already has a preamp? I know it’s not all valve but you could consider a new ABM600, it will last more or less forever and will come with a 5yr guarantee with UK tech support. It is also lighter than most valve gear. Is also notoriously powerful. Edited September 18, 2021 by funkydoug 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quilly Posted September 18, 2021 Share Posted September 18, 2021 2 hours ago, SteveXFR said: It's a 4x10 and it's not exactly thunderous A terror bass and a barefaced cab would tear the paint off the ceiling . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Downunderwonder Posted September 18, 2021 Share Posted September 18, 2021 2 hours ago, SteveXFR said: It's a 4x10 and it's not exactly thunderous If it isn't pretty damn loud all by itself it's either worn out ( is that even possible???) or you have blown a driver open circuit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparky Mark Posted September 18, 2021 Share Posted September 18, 2021 2 hours ago, SteveXFR said: It's a 4x10 and it's not exactly thunderous Oh, twice above you'd said it was a 4x12 which was a great Trace Elliot cab. A modern 4x10 such as a Bergantino would outperform an old Trace Elliot 4x10 for sure. Or if you're happy to carry heavy cabs another TE 4x10 would make a significant difference to your volume. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave74200 Posted October 4, 2021 Share Posted October 4, 2021 You can get a good used valve head for that price if you look hard enough. I got my 2 Pro for around that price point and it's perfect! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveXFR Posted October 4, 2021 Author Share Posted October 4, 2021 I have been looking at SVT's and in my price range it seems to be mk3 and mk7 which just have a single valve in the preamp and a solid state power amp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onehandclapping Posted October 4, 2021 Share Posted October 4, 2021 For many years I used a Trace V4 (all valve) through the matching Trace 4x12 +horn cab ,it was thunderous,loved it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quilly Posted October 5, 2021 Share Posted October 5, 2021 (edited) Played my Ashdown ctm100 through a 2x15 at rehearsal on Sunday. It was VERY loud with just a smattering of tube breakup when chords were played , very nice . I don’t think the VU meter ever hit the red but the needle was busy. Edited October 5, 2021 by Quilly 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigjimmyc Posted October 6, 2021 Share Posted October 6, 2021 For great value all-valve take a look at Traynor. I’m really pleased with the YBA-200. It goes damn loud but has great depth and growl. I have a similar cab configuration as yours, and also a modern 4x10 (barefaced). For volume the barefaced is the absolute best. Vintage cabs can’t do the same. Come over and try my rig. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveXFR Posted October 6, 2021 Author Share Posted October 6, 2021 @bigjimmyc Traynor look pretty apealing. I guess it's the YBA100 or YBA300 that would suit me best. it looks like they don't have a UK seller buy it looks like they come up used occasionally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Downunderwonder Posted October 7, 2021 Share Posted October 7, 2021 Thomann used to do Traynor. I expect they should have UK based warranty support by now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveXFR Posted October 7, 2021 Author Share Posted October 7, 2021 Just checked Thoman. They don't sell Traynor any more. The cheapest all valve head they sell is an SVT at £1200 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quilly Posted October 7, 2021 Share Posted October 7, 2021 (edited) 5 hours ago, SteveXFR said: Just checked Thoman. They don't sell Traynor any more. The cheapest all valve head they sell is an SVT at £1200 I saw one in Italy on reverb Edited October 7, 2021 by Quilly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigjimmyc Posted October 7, 2021 Share Posted October 7, 2021 On 06/10/2021 at 15:50, SteveXFR said: @bigjimmyc Traynor look pretty apealing. I guess it's the YBA100 or YBA300 that would suit me best. it looks like they don't have a UK seller buy it looks like they come up used occasionally. That’s too bad. I think the chap I got mine from bought it new shipped from factory. I’m guessing but they might be in budget. Or you could twist my arm and I might part with mine! Going back to to your original post and reading all the replies, I would consider trying your head with a modern cab. You might be surprised how efficient they are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveXFR Posted October 7, 2021 Author Share Posted October 7, 2021 2 minutes ago, bigjimmyc said: That’s too bad. I think the chap I got mine from bought it new shipped from factory. I’m guessing but they might be in budget. Or you could twist my arm and I might part with mine! Going back to to your original post and reading all the replies, I would consider trying your head with a modern cab. You might be surprised how efficient they are. I have recently picked up an Orange 4x10. Its monstrously loud! It sounds really good as well. I just sold the Trace head and cabs. I'm now bandless so might just stick with the Orange head for now but I probably will look out for a Traynor head. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bunion Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 🤔 I have 2 Mesa Boogie PH 4x10’s that I’m thinking of selling, now 1 4x10 is great, But TWO!! 😂🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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