Waddo Soqable Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 Maybe should just mention this on my little "build" thread but may be of interest to others so... What does everyone think of Six screws on a P bass build, like they have on a MusicMan ? The Sheehan style 45° extra screws thing was punted.. but having just lengthened the neck pocket a tad, It occurred to me that if the back pair was shunted forward a bit, there would be room for six as opposed to four. Clearly one would need to avoid the rear pair being too close to the back edge of the neck. Obviously I'd have to make a six hole back plate, (which wouldn't be an issue for me as I do a bit of metal butchery in life!) So what's everyone think ? ....Good plan, or not worth the bother and stick with the usual 4 ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reggaebass Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 It wouldn’t do any harm but If the four screws are good fixings, I don’t see much point 🙂 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waddo Soqable Posted May 10, 2021 Author Share Posted May 10, 2021 The existing ones are prob ok, the neck hasn't been drilled at all yet so going into untouched wood. I just thought of it as there seems to be lots of room at the butt end for an extra pair of screws, and it'd be more straight forward than the 45° screws a'la Mr Sheehan ! No doubt I'll be stuffing some card from a pack of 20 Rothmans in there too ! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reggaebass Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 1 minute ago, Waddo Soqable said: a pack of 20 Rothmans in there too Benson & Hedges is better quality 😁 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waddo Soqable Posted May 10, 2021 Author Share Posted May 10, 2021 Hence "special filter"...It's the superior tone and sustain from the Gold finish .... 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killed_by_Death Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 G&L uses 6: 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waddo Soqable Posted May 10, 2021 Author Share Posted May 10, 2021 (edited) I expect there's a few makers that use more than 4..... don't Ritter have loads of allen headed things here, like 9 or something? I've lengthened the pocket to 106 mm ( don't ask!) and it just looks to me like it could use the screws being rearranged as the back pair are nearer to the centre now ( see pic).. That said most of the string "leverage" is I'd think taken by the 2 at the front. Edited May 10, 2021 by Waddo Soqable Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itu Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 Just go ahead. And you can put thread inserts to the neck. Put two more in the middle and you have 8... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waddo Soqable Posted May 10, 2021 Author Share Posted May 10, 2021 I'll probably stick with six !.... any more and I suspect it may start to weaken things a bit. I've had a measure up and will make a backing plate in the next day or two, Iuckily I'll have access to someone else's pillar drill which will help greatly in the manufacturing of this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geek99 Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 18 minutes ago, itu said: Just go ahead. And you can put thread inserts to the neck. Put two more in the middle and you have 8... I’d want 10… 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geek99 Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 5 hours ago, Waddo Soqable said: Hence "special filter"...It's the superior tone and sustain from the Gold finish .... Yes but when that cardboard was growing as a tree, if it was nearer a rosewood tree than a maple tree would make a difference to the sound produced 🍿 …. During its second life as a shim, doing more good than it was when feebly protecting cancer inducing death sticks 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waddo Soqable Posted May 10, 2021 Author Share Posted May 10, 2021 8 minutes ago, Geek99 said: I’d want 10… Or go Richie Blackmore and glue the bugger as well...... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellzero Posted May 11, 2021 Share Posted May 11, 2021 10 hours ago, Waddo Soqable said: Or go Richie Blackmore and glue the bugger as well...... Was about to propose it. Then use 2 components glue to be sure and put some Loctite 243 on the screws ... threads. You can also use two different alloys and solder the whole, than add a few nails, just in case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geek99 Posted May 11, 2021 Share Posted May 11, 2021 I advocate spar wood also - but the tone is better if it’s scatter-nailed 🍿 in zombie movie style - leave some sticking out slightly to increase resonance - just a thin galvanic coating though, so the metal within can breathe 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waddo Soqable Posted May 11, 2021 Author Share Posted May 11, 2021 I can also spot weld the bolt heads to the back plate, they're not going anywhere then... In fact I made a prototype backplate today from some 'orrible galvanised 3mm plate cut out of a scrap joist hanger, so we really are heading in this direction.... I'll be making one of those rusty steel bodied basses next no doubt ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellzero Posted May 11, 2021 Share Posted May 11, 2021 3 hours ago, Waddo Soqable said: rusty steel bodied basses James Trussart, born nearby in Longuyon, France. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waddo Soqable Posted May 11, 2021 Author Share Posted May 11, 2021 I have been known to do a bit of welding, and have been tempted before to have a go at something like that, tho I doubt it would approach the quality of M. Trussart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waddo Soqable Posted May 13, 2021 Author Share Posted May 13, 2021 (edited) I made a six screw plate, just dropped on the body for a quick look.. now bear in mind I haven't shaped the corners this is just roughed out and drilled, (as I had the crafty opportunity to use a decent drill press when no one was looking!) the only snag being however, if I used this, the butt end of the NW Gtrs neck has an open recess at the end of the skunk stripe, and I'm not sure it'd be a great idea to put 2 screws in the neck here where it's got less solid wood...not sure. Edited May 13, 2021 by Waddo Soqable 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reggaebass Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 37 minutes ago, Waddo Soqable said: here where it's got less solid wood...not sure. That will be fine, you are away from the rod and there’s space there, be sure to do a pilot a hole for the screw 👍 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellzero Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 As only the two pivot point screws are important, it won't do any harm to the neck. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waddo Soqable Posted May 13, 2021 Author Share Posted May 13, 2021 (edited) Cheers gents, I'd certainly have done pilot holes anyway, I'll have to show the plate to the grinder to round the corners off a bit anyway, the neck screws are 3.6 mm core depth of thread 5mm o/d..... t' internet rummage suggests 3mm drill for pilot holes...? Edited May 13, 2021 by Waddo Soqable 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellzero Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 I would go for 2.5 mm pilot holes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reggaebass Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 56 minutes ago, Waddo Soqable said: t' internet rummage suggests 3mm drill for pilot holes Rule of thumb is 2.5mm drill bit for no6 screws and 3mm drill bit for no8 screws, as Hellzero says go with 2.5 , if it feels too tight open them up to 3mm 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waddo Soqable Posted May 13, 2021 Author Share Posted May 13, 2021 Good plan it's easy enough to enlarge them... not so easy to shrink 'em ! Obviously if you really bolloxed it up you can plug the holes up with wood pegs and glue and start again, but hopefully won't come to that . 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlungerModerno Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 :Looks like it's gonna be a solid joint, all going well. I think 2 screws should be enough, 4 is good, 6 is better, I think Ritter might be overdoing it though: 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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