Jump to content
Left leaderboard
Zombie1965

For Larry Hartke (if he visits here)

Recommended Posts

The demise of Hartke was predictable when it was taken over by Samson. It was only a matter of time before the bean counters ruined a good brand. It's similar to what happened to Ampeg with LOUD, and what will happen to Turbosound with Behringer.

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

So, I may have mentioned I dropped them a line on Instagram pointing them onto this thread and saying they should be concerned about there eroding reputation in Europe and the UK. Didn't hear much back. 

Did it again on Facebook linking the thread. Got a very serious response thanking me profusely for pointing this out to them. They have forwarded the relevant thread to "Senior management team" to "discuss the next steps" and that they are talking the matter "very seriously". They will be looking "forward to restoring the Hartke name in the UK"

Interesting to see if Hal Leonard get canned off!

  • Like 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I always really rated the HA series heads.

They could’ve just kept that user interface and look and downsized it using a more modern power stage to reduce weight.

The LH’s were uninspiring. From what I remember - although remarkably tidy on the inside.

The Kilo made little or no sense (When it arrived) and we had 4 on order for people which never showed and resulted in cancelled or switched orders.

If a brand gets landed with a crap distributor - it’s game over.

 

 

 

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
22 minutes ago, AndyTravis said:

I always really rated the HA series heads.

They could’ve just kept that user interface and look and downsized it using a more modern power stage to reduce weight.

The LH’s were uninspiring. From what I remember - although remarkably tidy on the inside.

The Kilo made little or no sense (When it arrived) and we had 4 on order for people which never showed and resulted in cancelled or switched orders.

If a brand gets landed with a crap distributor - it’s game over.

 

 

 

Exactly. The HA series is great. Just put a 1000w class D in it. Job done. But no. Let's discontinue the 5500 which is well beyond its alleged 500w output. It's just devastating. Total morons.

  • Like 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
6 hours ago, jimmy23cricket said:

They have forwarded the relevant thread to "Senior management team" to "discuss the next steps" and that they are talking the matter "very seriously". They will be looking "forward to restoring the Hartke name in the UK"

 

Pretty much exactly what they said to me when I linked them to the thread I had on here a few years ago discussing the awful issues I had with a kilo. Nothing ever happened, they just started ignoring my emails etc. Yes the distributor is poor but hartke themselves are pretty crap now too. 

I genuinely believe hartke ripped me and a load of others off with the kilo which they knew was flawed before they launched it. I lost £900 and never got so much as an apology. 

  • Like 1
  • Sad 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

As above, I went to the organ grinder when I got no satisfaction from the monkey, with my Kilo, the b*llsh*t I got from Korg uk was endless so I thought, 'right they say it's with Hartke USA, I'll email and find out what's going on', surprise, Hartke had no clue what was going on after looking into it, and kindly referred me back to my 'local' distributor with a very 'don't bother us' seeming email. I didn't lose out as DV247 did the right thing after a few more weeks of lies from Korg and let me pick another head from their inventory, which was at the time nearly £200 more than the Kilo so I was happy. But I wouldn't personally p*ss on Hartke if they were on fire after that experience.

  • Like 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
On 19/02/2020 at 10:17, Wolverinebass said:

Exactly. The HA series is great. Just put a 1000w class D in it. Job done. But no. Let's discontinue the 5500 which is well beyond its alleged 500w output. It's just devastating. Total morons.

I suggested years ago (at least ten) to Larry that they should have put a 1000W D Class module in the LH series. Actually, there was a discussion on here it too, but I cant remember who I was chatting to. Funnily, around the same time I spent quite a few emails suggesting to a well-known not-so-british-anymore UK brand that they should have taken their hugely successful valve based amplification and added D Class power amps to those as well. Paul the tech guy liked the idea but sadly it never happened, though both brands have finally embraced D Class amplification now though. Possibly a little late to the party? I don't know. 

Edited by Dood

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, Dood said:

I suggested years ago (at least ten) to Larry that they should have put a 1000W D Class module in the LH series. Actually, there was a discussion on here it too, but I cant remember who I was chatting to. Funnily, around the same time I spent quite a few emails suggesting to a well-known not-so-british-anymore UK brand that they should have taken their hugely successful valve based amplification and added D Class power amps to those as well. Paul the tech guy liked the idea but sadly it never happened, though both brands have finally embraced D Class amplification now though. Possibly a little late to the party? I don't know. 

They've totally messed up Dood. The class D offerings Hartke have now are crap. They're underpowered. Laughably so. Plus, they juked the specs as someone on Talkbass took them to bits and sadly the power module labels don't lie.

They're stuffed.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Ouch! The bass going public aren’t going to wear that. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
5 minutes ago, Dood said:

Ouch! The bass going public aren’t going to wear that. 

I made a joke at the time that not only had they copied TC Electronics styling, they'd even copied their falsification of their power output ratings.

  • Haha 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

In defence of the product (not distribution or service) Pirate studios have equipped some of their rooms with KB12 combos. I admit to my embarrassment that I had never heard or seen one of these tiny toy amps. The prospect of 4 hours listening to it slowly die competing with 2 Marshall half stack and a loud Drummer didn’t fill me with joy. I called the support team to bemoan the removal of the Rootmaster 500 and ABM 410 ! I was assured it would be fine and to try it.So I plug in set the gain with the clip LED all EQ at 12 Master Vol 3pm. Pluck ~ Boom-~ Twang~ Rumble flip me this thing is Loud and decent sounding dial in a bit of bass and twiddle the shape Knob ad bingo cooking on Gas. Easily keeping up with the luddites crunchy guitar an thrashing drums.

I pick it up to look round the back it weighs about the same as a baby chimp and spirts two rear bass ports. Power 500w RMS it the single 12 Hydrive Speaker no ext socket you get the lot in the box and that’s it.

blown away was i.

Yep your all right they are a bugger to find and god knows what aftersales would be like. But then I have an HA 3500 stuffed in a cupboard that works after 20 years of main amp becomes back up service

To nail it all you can pick a KB12 up for £310 !!!!!!

£600 for a 1000w dual amp rig that would do a pretty big room ......

Come on Hartke sort out your stinky poo and get this stuff out there. Kin ell call me ill punt it for you.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
On 21/02/2020 at 17:26, Stealth said:

In defence of the product (not distribution or service) Pirate studios have equipped some of their rooms with KB12 combos. I admit to my embarrassment that I had never heard or seen one of these tiny toy amps. The prospect of 4 hours listening to it slowly die competing with 2 Marshall half stack and a loud Drummer didn’t fill me with joy. I called the support team to bemoan the removal of the Rootmaster 500 and ABM 410 ! I was assured it would be fine and to try it.So I plug in set the gain with the clip LED all EQ at 12 Master Vol 3pm. Pluck ~ Boom-~ Twang~ Rumble flip me this thing is Loud and decent sounding dial in a bit of bass and twiddle the shape Knob ad bingo cooking on Gas. Easily keeping up with the luddites crunchy guitar an thrashing drums.

I pick it up to look round the back it weighs about the same as a baby chimp and spirts two rear bass ports. Power 500w RMS it the single 12 Hydrive Speaker no ext socket you get the lot in the box and that’s it.

blown away was i.

Yep your all right they are a bugger to find and god knows what aftersales would be like. But then I have an HA 3500 stuffed in a cupboard that works after 20 years of main amp becomes back up service

To nail it all you can pick a KB12 up for £310 !!!!!!

£600 for a 1000w dual amp rig that would do a pretty big room ......

Come on Hartke sort out your stinky poo and get this stuff out there. Kin ell call me ill punt it for you.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The original Kick Backs were fantastic!

I used to use a borrowed Kick Back 15 in a big band I played in when I couldn't get transport for my hartke traveller 15 and HA3500.

 

Which pirate studios were you using?

I'm attending a rehearsal at their Earlsfield place soon so will hopefully get a go on a KB

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I've just read the favourable LX8500 review in this month's BGM and was getting interested (probably in the 500w version as that's what I'm after).  According to the article, Hal Leonard Europe is still the distributor though.  If Hartke really have upped their game with this new valve pre-amp range, their discredited distributor will kill it before it grows in Europe/UK.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I met Larry at the old Manny's, amazingly he listened to my band there and then, asked what I was using (at the time Ashdown), was I interested in going with his stuff.

To his credit, he must be offering artist endorsements to hundreds of people a year, but I took the bait, he handled Korg in the UK, and over the next few years used a combination of HyDrive enclosures...the 115/410/210.  The LH heads were nasty and I never got on with them...noisy and buzzy...but the cabinets were amazing really; I did well over 100 gigs and several hundred rehearsals with them.

Oddly, the only reason I moved them on was because I won the Barefaced Big One at the SE Bash three or four years ago.

I have very fond memories of my time with Hartke, but now they just seem to be one of a dozen companies all scrapping in a limited marketplace with some rather bland low end product, whereas (when all this was fields), it was an aspirational brand

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

This thread makes me sad.

I had the HA3500 for years and it never let me down. It was the heart of my original Rig of Doom handling all the mids + highs + FX.

I didn't particularly like the LH500 I had for a while, but I really liked the Hydrive 4x10.

 

Is their reputation in the USA in the toilet as well? Or are they still liked over there?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

"...but now they just seem to be one of a dozen companies all scrapping in a limited marketplace with some rather bland low end product..."

You've hit the nail on the head there NJ!  And that is precisely why poor customer support is all it takes to kill your company.  Watch out Hartke!

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
8 minutes ago, scrumpymike said:

"...but now they just seem to be one of a dozen companies all scrapping in a limited marketplace with some rather bland low end product..."

You've hit the nail on the head there NJ!  And that is precisely why poor customer support is all it takes to kill your company.  Watch out Hartke!

Just as an aside here, during my first dalliance with Larry (there's been two or three)...this must have been 2009 or 2012...I was in New York for the US Open Tennis, so it was one of those years, he told me about the Kilo and told me he'd got Billy Sheehan and Jack Bruce as endorsees, but that I should keep schtum.

I was looking forward to giving the Kilo a punt, but it just kept being put back, so I went with the LH1000, which really wasn't that great.  I really needed something that a head that was going to give me a bit of dirt, so I ended going the outboard route (Sansamp) and now I'm on Darkglass AO900.

About a year and a half ago, I was looking for a smaller alternative to the Big One and was looking around at going with a pair of 1x12s - I did have a pair of Aguilars, lovely cabs but too hi-fi for my tastes, I did look at the HD112s, but I felt I  just couldn't go back to Korg and try to get a deal on them.  I guess if I did get something different, I'd consider selling on the prototype Barefaced and going with a pair of Big Baby IIs.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I bought a HD112, about 5 years ago, which was very disappointing. 

They were approx £350 new but these days you can't give them away, secondhand.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
2 hours ago, fretmeister said:

This thread makes me sad.

I had the HA3500 for years and it never let me down. It was the heart of my original Rig of Doom handling all the mids + highs + FX.

I didn't particularly like the LH500 I had for a while, but I really liked the Hydrive 4x10.

 

Is their reputation in the USA in the toilet as well? Or are they still liked over there?

Still pretty well respected in the US (according to TB at least!)

it’s the poor aftercare by Hal Leonard in Europe that I feel is a massive contributing factor here.

still feel there last decent products were the hydrive cabs. Amp wise, not much has lit up since the HA stuff 😞

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
2 minutes ago, gjones said:

I bought a HD112, about 5 years ago, which was very disappointing. 

They were approx £350 new but these days you can't give them away, secondhand.

The HD series were only released in 2017, so you may have had the original (silver grill) on which I think were branded as simply Hydrive 112?

I personally quite like the 112’s. Still have 2 and they are quite well thought of in some circles.

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
32 minutes ago, jimmy23cricket said:

The HD series were only released in 2017, so you may have had the original (silver grill) on which I think were branded as simply Hydrive 112?

I personally quite like the 112’s. Still have 2 and they are quite well thought of in some circles.

 

Yes, The HX112

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Posted (edited)

I have a Hartke...

Currently serving as a garden potting table.

20200607_191920.thumb.jpg.e623b85adc7ccf6c4d302968db8d6f85.jpg

(Disclaimer: It was utterly beyond any kind or repair! All speakers ruined and the chassis riddled with damp and mould.)

Edited by binky_bass
  • Sad 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Most of this comes down to their terrible UK distro. Like, nonexistent. Nobody sells their gear. Criticising the LH series for a lack of tonal flexibility misses the point entirely - It's a Fender dual showman preamp/tone stack and a massive SS power amp. You want to sound like Hooky and only have 300 quid? There you go. I'm pretty sure it's aimed at (probably older) players who want an SVT or a big ole HiWatt but can't afford it. Personally, I trust it. The LH500 into a pair of 2 x 10 XL cabs is loud as hell and my DOD Meatbox has yet to melt anything. If you're paying pop gigs and carrying gear on the tube, forget it. If your drummer is an animal and you are stuck between a 2 guitar arms race, step inside. I'm looking for a HyDrive 15 right now.

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.


  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    No registered users viewing this page.



  • Similar Content

    • By basslondon
      War torn bass head needs a little tlc electronically. One output works ok the others need attention ( possibly output mosfet replacement) other wise functions ok. May even be sorted by switch cleaner on the Mono /Biamp switch. I never bothered I just used the good output in my rehearsal studio for years!
      Sold as a fixer upper but works if you use the single good output. The other outputs sound gritty and distorted.
      Cheap as chips for a 700 watt head!
      Any queries drop me a message....




    • By jay bass
      Hartke L500 Bass amp
       
      In used but excellent condition
      This amp has been well looked after , always been in a rackmounted case and kept in a clean and dry environment when not in use.
      The amp is in perfect working condition
      Everything works as it should .
      This realy is a great bass amp , plenty of power and tone to get any
      Bass sound you want , its also able to drive any bass cabs down to 4 ohms
      My only reason for selling is that I have downsized my equipment to
      A bass combo , so this is surplus to requirements.
      Comes with the 2u rack case included and original manual.
      Please check my other items for sale
      I have some other Bass  related items for sale
      Collection welcome , you are welcome to try it before buying .
      I am located in cambs PE285AP for collection or will post if preferred.
      Can post to uk mainland for£18 full insured via Parcelforce 48
       
      From Hartke
       
      The LH500, , has a classic 12AX7 Class-A tube front-end design with a solid-state output. Developed with the HyDrive cabs in mind, the LH500 also has more than enough power and tone control to drive any cabinet on the market. This amp provides you with Treble and Bass Shelving to give its warm tone a little edge. Or use the brite and limiter switches to further sculpt your sound. Its intuitive front panel also makes adjustments on the fly a breeze. The LH500 packs a big punch in a portable, roadworthy package. A two-rackspace metal frame chassis, steel faceplate and handles allow for easy, safe transport from gig to gig. With the needs of modern bass players largely centered around volume and versatility, the LH500 is an ideal solution that gives you plenty of options to create the exact sound you're looking for
       
       
      Features
      ·         500 watts of power @ 4 ohms
      ·         Classic 12AX7 High Voltage Class-A tube preamp circuit
      ·         Bass and Treble Shelving, plus mid-peak EQ controls
      ·         Selectable brite switch for added high frequency response
      ·         Selectable limiter switch with LED indicator
      ·         Front panel XLR balanced direct output
      ·         Rear panel 1/4-inch effects loop
      ·         1/4-inch output connectors
      ·         Two-rackspace metal chassis with steel faceplate and handles




    • By BassVentura-FretDetective
      Excellent little combo. 20w with 3 band EQ. Great condition.

      Collection from East London.
      More info:
      http://www.samsontech.com/hartke/products/combos/b-series-combos/b20
       
       
    • By Friskydingo
      I see a lot of these two amps on gumtree and eBay for varying prices (£250-350 usually). So they are popular, my questions are;
      1. Are they good? Seem to have a lot of parameters and eq options
      2. Loud enough for a rock covers band? 
      I'm not too bothered by weight as I still have a good back and band mates to help me. Have you played either and which one do you prefer? Or should I carry on looking
×
×
  • Create New...