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^^^^. Terror and relief is right!  It’s not like being in the band, playing live, it’s much more intense, IMO. 

How many ‘takes’ for each track?

I’ve decided that directly facing the screen isn’t the most comfortable I’ve ever been, so for future vids I’m going more side-on.  Hopefully it’ll be easier to forget the camera.

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My wife and I have recorded several of these 'put together' songs for Sunday morning streaming.  They are quite stressful as you have to get them right.  Any mistakes in a 'live' performance can slip by unnoticed, but when the video is going to be on You Tube for ever, you need to be on the ball.

Recording our parts in isolation is a unique experience.  I play bass and my wife either sings, plays oboe or her Yamaha wind controller.  All we get is either a piano or rhythm guitar track with, the occasional vocal for guidance.  We then listen to the guide track via headphones while recording our video contributions onto our mobile 'phones.

As I type this my wife is trying to keep in time and pitch with a rhythm guitar (that has its own rhythm) and a vocal that has "interesting" qualities!  The first week we both took over 20 attempts to record our parts.  Judging by the sounds and exclamations coming from the next room, this current song, "Cornerstone", is going to take some time!

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It is definitely a lot more time consuming than just playing live. We now have, after 12 weeks of this, a folder full of songs so we are starting to reuse them. We have also said to the bands that they do not have to do a video of them singing! A background with words is absolutely fine.

Thankfully my playing is nowhere near good enough to play on these songs, but I do spend a long time each week editing the service together once everyone else has their bits. 

This service has a mix of video types, band videos, words and background,  and one bespoke song video. A mix of different video editors as well.

 

 

 

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16 hours ago, Baxlin said:

^^^^. Terror and relief is right!  It’s not like being in the band, playing live, it’s much more intense, IMO. 

How many ‘takes’ for each track?

I’ve decided that directly facing the screen isn’t the most comfortable I’ve ever been, so for future vids I’m going more side-on.  Hopefully it’ll be easier to forget the camera.

Absolutely! Been practicing the bouzouki part for a few weeks and consistently since Monday when the worship leader confirmed it was this week’s tune. Bass line is just roots and a few connecting runs so did one run through and one take. Phew. Quite a few aborted runs on the bouzouki to get a couple I was happy with. 
 

Our worship lead we wants us to smile at the camera a lot... which is the very thing that throws me. Now just wondering how it’ll come out when compiled?

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8 hours ago, TrevorR said:

Absolutely! Been practicing the bouzouki part for a few weeks and consistently since Monday when the worship leader confirmed it was this week’s tune. Bass line is just roots and a few connecting runs so did one run through and one take. Phew. Quite a few aborted runs on the bouzouki to get a couple I was happy with. 
 

Our worship lead we wants us to smile at the camera a lot... which is the very thing that throws me. Now just wondering how it’ll come out when compiled?

Could you record the sound With no mistakes and then mime along with your smile on And splice together? :D 

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16 hours ago, TrevorR said:


 

Our worship lead we wants us to smile at the camera a lot... which is the very thing that throws me. Now just wondering how it’ll come out when compiled?

I'm a bass player, I don't do "smile"!

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So this morning's Lockdown video was my bouzouki debut. King Of My Heart has a nice Celtic sort of vice to the melody and so the jangly sound worked well .Also a good excuse to drag out the acoustic bass - a Faith Neptune Titan which comes over really nicely in the track.

Plus as an extra treat (because it was Fathers' Day) our worship leader and her dad - our senior pastor - did a nice version of the Blind Boys of Alabama's version of Amazing Grace. You might just recognise the tune!!! Back in the 70s he used to do a lot of work with Cat Stevens, Mike D'Abo and John Kongos - and allegedly gave Mo Foster his first professional gig as a session guy!

 

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Recording my bass part this evening for this week’s lockdown video for our streaming service on Sunday... and look! A pedalboard! Nice to have an excuse to pull it out for the first time in three months...

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Yikes! But which ones are switched on? Hmmmm... I wonder what song it is that needs to be all squelchy? Guess we’ll find out on Sunday! 😉

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On 21/06/2020 at 23:53, TrevorR said:

Plus as an extra treat (because it was Fathers' Day) our worship leader and her dad - our senior pastor - did a nice version of the Blind Boys of Alabama's version of Amazing Grace. You might just recognise the tune!!!

 

Very nice.  And at Easter they can do ‘There is a green hill’ to the same tune!

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12 minutes ago, Dad3353 said:

One tuner pedal, with a 'mute' facility. Job done. :|

And an amp sim pedal if the band are all using IEM and/or the church bass amp isn't up to much.

The Behringer BDi21 is dirt cheap, and surprisingly good. I bought ours on the recommendation of others here, and haven't used the church amp since.

https://m.thomann.de/gb/behringer_vtone_bass_bdi21_analog_modeling_preamp.htm?glp=1&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIlbCx-rWk6gIVzOvtCh2UOwp2EAQYAyABEgJZ1vD_BwE

 

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I take my whole pedal board when i am playing but the only things i use are the wireless (Line6 G50) the Tuner (polytune) and whaen i had one a compressor (MXR Supercomp) i have on occasion used some chorus, for some kids songs i used a bassballs, and when the situation arises a bit of overdrive but i'd say that 99% of the time it's just a clean signal.

i have considered an eq pedal but this would only be for the times i was also playing EUB (there is an A/B pedal on my board so it would be the same rig)

 

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Here’s my pedalboard...

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Every pedal has a job to do (even if they don’t get used much or are specialised). 

  • Tuner - obvs
  • Tech 21 VT Bass DI - amp and speaker sim signal for FOH.
  • OD - for a bit of grit on the rockier numbers.
  • Chorus - for a bit of 80s shimmer on the odd worship ballad
  • Tremolo - for a bit of moodiness on some sections. It’s an effect I really like for sustained notes on a “down bridge”
  • Envelope filter - mostly used in conjunction with the OD for synth bass type sounds for those EDM influenced worship songs.
  • Lehle switcher - swaps the OD, filter, trem and chorus in and out of the signal chain so when not using them the signal goes straight from the tuner out to the Sansamp in.
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HX stomp - everything you will need

plus

- the same for guitar if you need 

- interface

- no need for a pedal board or power supply - by the time you‘be got them, a tuner and 3-4 other pedals it’s probably not even the expensive option. 

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54 minutes ago, Big Rich said:

@LukeFRC I was thinking of just going for a tuner and a compressor, anything more would be excessive and I didn’t want to spend my time tap-dancing my way through the service 😂 

And then you will add a vt bass Di or equivalent For the Di capability 

I’ve spent £440 odd already With no connecting cables, no footswitchable drive 

HX stomp is £470 and will do way more... is smaller and fits in the front of a gig bag... 

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So here is this week’s tune - rather less homespun than last week’s. Absolutely no bouzouki on this little EDM tinged number! Let Praise Awaken. See what you think...
 

Not sure I’m 100% happy with the filter tone for the pseudo synth bass sound yet - needs a touch more dialling in but it’s sort of there. Also, not sure what happened with the electric guitar. It seems to unsync itself completely by the end.
 
Much as the idea of posting videos on the interweb of me playing solo appalls me to the core of my being I thought you might find the squishy, squelchy tones used interesting to hear solo... so... gulp... here are some edited extracts from the video I sent in to Ben to use in the song... shudder can’t believe I’m posting this...

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On 28/06/2020 at 12:24, Big Rich said:

If I had to put together a pedalboard for church and I could only have 3 or 4 pedals, what pedals would you recommend?  What are the ‘must-haves’?

I have been through many pedals over the years and have settled on these 3 which have been mainstays on my board for a few years now.

Boss TU-3 tuner > Tech21 Sansamp BDDI for some drive/growl > Tech-21 DP-3X for compression > Ampeg SCR-1 without the drive on for extra low-end push.

Those three outputted into a top class DI box and you can't go wrong IMHO. I used a REDDI myself. Then direct to the sound desk. 

The Ampeg SCR-1 is a great bit of kit because one can use it as a stand-alone personal monitor with in-ears. You can see in the second picture below how I run 2 x Sansamp (split signal: 1 direct out and paralell out to the Ampeg-SCR1) then plug the wireless pack into the AUX input of the Ampeg SCR1. My in-ears out from the Ampeg mixes my bass signal with the mix of the monitor pack. Allows me to ACTUALLY hear my bass in the monitor mix and lets me control the amount of equalization without effecting the direct signal of my bass to the sound board. Very versatile setup because you will have trouble hearing your bass in the mix at most churches unless you have an amp right behind you (which is rare these days). 

Keep it simple is my motto. No modulation or delay/reverb. 

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On 28/06/2020 at 12:44, Richard R said:

And an amp sim pedal if the band are all using IEM and/or the church bass amp isn't up to much.

The Behringer BDi21 is dirt cheap, and surprisingly good. I bought ours on the recommendation of others here, and haven't used the church amp since.

https://m.thomann.de/gb/behringer_vtone_bass_bdi21_analog_modeling_preamp.htm?glp=1&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIlbCx-rWk6gIVzOvtCh2UOwp2EAQYAyABEgJZ1vD_BwE

Yes +1 to this. I use a split signal and a stand-alone Ampeg SCR-1 to get the same result. Best thing I ever did. 

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