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Is there such a thing?

Or at least are there any that sound closer to a P than others?

 

I’m loving my Sandberg Superlight but my current gig works better with a P. I’m hoping to get the Sandberg closer in tone without getting a router out.

 

Any ideas? Or maybe a preamp swap to a 3 band to push the mids a bit?

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Not sure if this helps ,and I know nothing about electronics but, Kiogon made me a control setup for one of my jazzes which sounds very similar to my P ,  he completely rewired it and changed the caps , it transformed the sound.   I’m sure it can be done without getting the router out 🙂

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You won't get exactly that P sound, but a Model J is not a bad suggestion.

Another alternative is... get a new pickguard made with a cutout for a P style pickup, and just carefully route the body so you can install a P. You can always restore it to JJ  whenever you want. 

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2 hours ago, Meddle said:

Dimarzio Model J is the closest I've heard.

I've used DiMarzio Model J' s in  a Fender Jazz Plus. Replaced the Lace Sensors and the active pre with V B T passive setup. With a well selected cap value I get very close to a typical P sound. Really lovely Pups with a broad range of powerful tones.

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2 hours ago, Meddle said:

Dimarzio Model J is the closest I've heard.

Reading about this one. Seems like it’s noise cancelling but not a stack. Side by side coils. More like a P pickup.

 

Might have to try that!

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59 minutes ago, JohnDaBass said:

With a well selected cap value I get very close to a typical P sound.

Would be interested to know what cap value you use to get close to a P sound?

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You want a Jazz pick up through a tuppeny halfpenny pre amp to sound like a proper passive P-bass?

I don't think so 😎

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I’ve found that the Fender 74s that I’ve installed in my Squier VM 77 Jazz are able to get quite near the Precision sound with careful blending and eq, though do have to admit from what I’ve read about them the Dimarzio Model J would probably be my first shot to try and get the P-bass sound.

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Just now, Cuzzie said:

If you wanted to achieve that without changing the pick ups then an easy mid is the Tonestyler Duo 6 Jazz plate V4 - would be completely passive then

https://store.stellartone.com/product.asp?specific=2130

should drop straight in

That looks quite fun, though I think the Stellartone stuff is overpriced for what it is, generally.

There is a number of ways of coaxing out series/parallel wiring. You can recreate the Gibson Bicentennial Thunderbird wiring scheme and get two volumes, tone and have the pickups in series. 

To get more mids, you can wire a fixed resistor in series with the hot end of the bridge pickup. This is the equivalent of backing off the bridge pickup a hair, allowing more of the neck pickup to dominate while still sounding like a classic Jazz Bass. 

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3 minutes ago, Meddle said:

That looks quite fun, though I think the Stellartone stuff is overpriced for what it is, generally.

There is a number of ways of coaxing out series/parallel wiring. You can recreate the Gibson Bicentennial Thunderbird wiring scheme and get two volumes, tone and have the pickups in series. 

To get more mids, you can wire a fixed resistor in series with the hot end of the bridge pickup. This is the equivalent of backing off the bridge pickup a hair, allowing more of the neck pickup to dominate while still sounding like a classic Jazz Bass. 

Maybe, and value is in the eye of the beholder but the convenience of 6 to 10 different capacitor values to change your tonal roll off at a click of a dial and thus easy to remember is pretty handy - and second hand - incredible value 

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5 hours ago, mcnach said:

You won't get exactly that P sound, but a Model J is not a bad suggestion.

Another alternative is... get a new pickguard made with a cutout for a P style pickup, and just carefully route the body so you can install a P. You can always restore it to JJ  whenever you want. 

I did exactly this! 

Js9pcdb.jpg

 

I added a Reggie Hamilton pickguard to a Squier '70s Jazz Bass body and MIM Jazz neck to make this thing. I used a dummy coil in the control cavity to keep the bridge pickup quiet.

I built this bass and then sold it on pretty quickly, so hopefully it is out there somewhere being played.

I'm planning to do the same to my sunburst Jazz Bass, but using Dimarzio Area P and J pickups this time.

 

5 hours ago, Reggaebass said:

Not sure if this helps ,and I know nothing about electronics but, Kiogon made me a control setup for one of my jazzes which sounds very similar to my P ,  he completely rewired it and changed the caps , it transformed the sound.   I’m sure it can be done without getting the router out 🙂

That is interesting. Maybe it shunts the pickups in series? Cunning pot and cap choices won't put mids back into a passive circuit if they aren't there already, unless you use an inductor coil or something like that. 

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2 hours ago, KiOgon said:

You want a Jazz pick up through a tuppeny halfpenny pre amp to sound like a proper passive P-bass?

I don't think so 😎

I think the Glockenklang pre is a bit better than tuppeny halfpenny!

 

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1 minute ago, fretmeister said:

I think the Glockenklang pre is a bit better than tuppeny halfpenny!

 

I don't 😄

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11 minutes ago, Meddle said:

I did exactly this! 

Js9pcdb.jpg

 

I added a Reggie Hamilton pickguard to a Squier '70s Jazz Bass body and MIM Jazz neck to make this thing. I used a dummy coil in the control cavity to keep the bridge pickup quiet.

I built this bass and then sold it on pretty quickly, so hopefully it is out there somewhere being played.

I'm planning to do the same to my sunburst Jazz Bass, but using Dimarzio Area P and J pickups this time.

 

That is interesting. Maybe it shunts the pickups in series? Cunning pot and cap choices won't put mids back into a passive circuit if they aren't there already, unless you use an inductor coil or something like that. 

I am giving this some thought as an option.

 

New plate and an Aguilar 60s wind Pickup could be perfect.

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4 minutes ago, fretmeister said:

I am giving this some thought as an option.

 

New plate and an Aguilar 60s wind Pickup could be perfect.

Careful if you rout the SL some more - it will float away!

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Talking pre-amps - Noll Electronics do some fine stuff, a bit more ‘aggressive’ than Glock and may coax some Mids out, or even the fine Aggie pre amp could be fitted.

How about the DG Tone Capsule - that’s 2 bands of Mids and no treble

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1 hour ago, Meddle said:

I did exactly this! 

Js9pcdb.jpg

 

I added a Reggie Hamilton pickguard to a Squier '70s Jazz Bass body and MIM Jazz neck to make this thing. I used a dummy coil in the control cavity to keep the bridge pickup quiet.

I built this bass and then sold it on pretty quickly, so hopefully it is out there somewhere being played.

I'm planning to do the same to my sunburst Jazz Bass, but using Dimarzio Area P and J pickups this time.

 

That is interesting. Maybe it shunts the pickups in series? Cunning pot and cap choices won't put mids back into a passive circuit if they aren't there already, unless you use an inductor coil or something like that. 

 

very nice!

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